Are any Celeron 1037U Motherboards actually available?

[dave_the_nerd]

How idle is idle? The 3.5" HDDs you have will eat 5-6w each with the spindles turning, slightly more when actually reading/writing, and ~1w each at idle (spun down.)

Using 2.5" HDDs or SSDs will cut that in half easily.

Using a PSU that big isn't helping either. The typical sweet spot for power efficiency is when they're running at ~75% of their rated load, so you'd want, like, maybe an 80w PicoPSU for that rig, tops. That'd shave a couple watts, although the cost/benefit is way in favor of keeping the CX430 unless you're paying some unheard of sum of money for electricity.

Otherwise, that sounds pretty normal. The 1037U is a 17w chip, and the NM70 chipset pulls the sam 4.1w as the other desktop chipsets - it's not some 7w Atom with a 2.1w NM10.

 

[Kneedragger]

So with Celeron Bay Trail-D already coming out is it even worth looking at these mobo/cpu combos anymore? Not trying to derail this thread it does seem like we all are interested in these low powered boards.

AnandTech posted this in a blog. http://www.anandtech.com/show/7737/10w-bay-traild-coming-to-market-from-gigabyte-and-biostar

They are already available on the internet.

More info on the family.

Intel Celeron J1800 (2 Core, 2.41 GHz)- http://ark.intel.com/products/78866/Intel-Celeron-Processor-J1800-1M-Cache-up-to-2_58-GHz

Intel Celeron J1850 (4 Core, 2 GHz) - http://ark.intel.com/products/76530/Intel-Celeron-Processor-J1850-2M-Cache-2_00-GHz?q=j1850

Intel Celeron J1900 (4 Core, 2 GHz) - http://ark.intel.com/products/78867

Gigabytes two boards.

http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4895#ov

http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4881#ov - Available on Amazon already. http://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-Dual...&qid=1392664958&sr=8-1&keywords=GA-J1800N-D2H
http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4881#ov

 

[dave_the_nerd]

So with Celeron Bay Trail-D already coming out is it even worth looking at these mobo/cpu combos anymore? Not trying to derail this thread it does seem like we all are interested in these low powered boards.

AnandTech posted this in a blog. http://www.anandtech.com/show/7737/10w-bay-traild-coming-to-market-from-gigabyte-and-biostar

They are already available on the internet.

More info on the family.

Intel Celeron J1800 (2 Core, 2.41 GHz)- http://ark.intel.com/products/78866/Intel-Celeron-Processor-J1800-1M-Cache-up-to-2_58-GHz

Intel Celeron J1850 (4 Core, 2 GHz) - http://ark.intel.com/products/76530/Intel-Celeron-Processor-J1850-2M-Cache-2_00-GHz?q=j1850

Intel Celeron J1900 (4 Core, 2 GHz) - http://ark.intel.com/products/78867

Gigabytes two boards.

http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4895#ov

http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4881#ov - Available on Amazon already. http://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-Dual...&qid=1392664958&sr=8-1&keywords=GA-J1800N-D2H

Yes.

The Bay Trail D is an Atom derivative.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7314/intel-baytrail-preview-intel-atom-z3770-tested/2

For comparison's sake, the 1037U is basically a lower-clocked 2020M. It would be more like a Celeron 2955U or 2980U - probably ~2x as fast as the Bay Trail.

1037U was released in January '13. It was before the boards were widely available. The 2955 was only released a couple months ago.

 

[Kneedragger]

Yes.

The Bay Trail D is an Atom derivative.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7314/intel-baytrail-preview-intel-atom-z3770-tested/2

For comparison's sake, the 1037U is basically a lower-clocked 2020M. It would be more like a Celeron 2955U or 2980U - probably ~2x as fast as the Bay Trail.

1037U was released in January '13. It was before the boards were widely available. The 2955 was only released a couple months ago.

Ok so you're saying the 1037U are faster than the Bay Train-D stuff that I posted? Just a bit confused..

 

[Carson Dyle]

How idle is idle? The 3.5" HDDs you have will eat 5-6w each with the spindles turning, slightly more when actually reading/writing, and ~1w each at idle (spun down.)

Using 2.5" HDDs or SSDs will cut that in half easily.

Using a PSU that big isn't helping either. The typical sweet spot for power efficiency is when they're running at ~75% of their rated load, so you'd want, like, maybe an 80w PicoPSU for that rig, tops. That'd shave a couple watts, although the cost/benefit is way in favor of keeping the CX430 unless you're paying some unheard of sum of money for electricity.

Otherwise, that sounds pretty normal. The 1037U is a 17w chip, and the NM70 chipset pulls the sam 4.1w as the other desktop chipsets - it's not some 7w Atom with a 2.1w NM10.

Would the CPU and chipset be expected to use this when _idle_?

 

[cbn]

So with Celeron Bay Trail-D already coming out is it even worth looking at these mobo/cpu combos anymore? Not trying to derail this thread it does seem like we all are interested in these low powered boards.

AnandTech posted this in a blog. http://www.anandtech.com/show/7737/10w-bay-traild-coming-to-market-from-gigabyte-and-biostar

They are already available on the internet.

More info on the family.

Intel Celeron J1800 (2 Core, 2.41 GHz)- http://ark.intel.com/products/78866/Intel-Celeron-Processor-J1800-1M-Cache-up-to-2_58-GHz

Intel Celeron J1850 (4 Core, 2 GHz) - http://ark.intel.com/products/76530/Intel-Celeron-Processor-J1850-2M-Cache-2_00-GHz?q=j1850

Intel Celeron J1900 (4 Core, 2 GHz) - http://ark.intel.com/products/78867

Gigabytes two boards.

http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4895#ov

http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4881#ov - Available on Amazon already. http://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-Dual...&qid=1392664958&sr=8-1&keywords=GA-J1800N-D2H
http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4881#ov

Well, the 1037U dual core does have much better single thread performance compared to the Bay Trail-D J1800 dual core. On multi-thread however, the J1900 should compare favorably (and may even beat the 1037U). The iGPU on the 1037U will be better than Bay Trail-D as it has 6 EUs rather than 4 EUs.

As far as SATA ports go, 1037U with NM70 is way ahead of Bay Trail-D with four SATA ports (one of which is 6 Gbps.) In contrast, Bay Trail-D only comes with two 3 Gbps SATA.

Furthermore, all the consumer Bay Trail-D boards (thus far) require SO-DIMM* while 1037U boards can be commonly found with DIMM slots.

With that mentioned, Bay Trail-D does offer usb 3.0 and all consumer boards with the exception of the ECS BAT-TI pictured here have passive heatsinks.

P.S. I am glad to see the Gigabyte Bay Trail-D boards able to use 1.5V memory. *I am crossing my fingers that ECS follows the trend the set with the NM70-I and NM70-I2 by offering their BAT-I2 with 1.5V DIMM slots. (If so, the ECS BAT-I2 would become the first Bay Trail Mini-ITX to use DIMMs rather than SO-DIMMs.)

 

[dave_the_nerd]

Would the CPU and chipset be expected to use this when _idle_?

A chunk of it.

Check the power numbers here:

http://www.madshrimps.be/articles/a...M70I-1037U-Motherboard-Review/6#axzz2tc5m863i

~20w idle, ~45w load. But they have less stuff in the box than you do. (The Hitachi 5K250 uses 1.8w while operating.) If your HDs are spinning, that'd be almost all of the difference right there.

You don't have one of those cheap-ish Kill-a-watt units, do you? They are sometimes inaccurate at low wattage too.

According to that, about 20% of your load number is the PSU being itself. So you're wasting 6w. Dropping to a PicoPSU-80 would probably save ~3w.

 

[Kneedragger]

Well, the 1037U dual core does have much better single thread performance compared to the Bay Trail-D J1800 dual core. On multi-thread however, the J1900 should compare favorably (and may even beat the 1037U). The iGPU on the 1037U will be better than Bay Trail-D as it has 6 EUs rather than 4 EUs.

As far as SATA ports go, 1037U with NM70 is way ahead of Bay Trail-D with four SATA ports (one of which is 6 Gbps.) In contrast, Bay Trail-D only comes with two 3 Gbps SATA.

Furthermore, all the consumer Bay Trail-D boards (thus far) require SO-DIMM* while 1037U boards can be commonly found with DIMM slots.

With that mentioned, Bay Trail-D does offer usb 3.0 and all consumer boards with the exception of the ECS BAT-TI pictured here have passive heatsinks.

P.S. I am glad to see the Gigabyte Bay Trail-D boards able to use 1.5V memory. *I am crossing my fingers that ECS follows the trend the set with the NM70-I and NM70-I2 by offering their BAT-I2 with 1.5V DIMM slots. (If so, the ECS BAT-I2 would become the first Bay Trail Mini-ITX to use DIMMs rather than SO-DIMMs.)

Awesome! Thanks for the info.

 

[cbn]

ECS NM70-TI (Celeron 847/807 version) on sale for $61.99 with free shipping:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813135368

Hopefully the 1037U version of this board will soon follow.

EDIT: According to a response in the Newegg Q and A, this board comes with a Azureware AW-NE139H b/g/n half-size mini pci-e wi-fi card. A Wifi card, can in fact, been seen in the last picture of the the ECS NM70-TI (V1.0A) Newegg gallery (zoom in and look between one of the SATA data cables and the I/O shield).

 

[Namisecond]

Well, the 1037U dual core does have much better single thread performance compared to the Bay Trail-D J1800 dual core. On multi-thread however, the J1900 should compare favorably (and may even beat the 1037U). The iGPU on the 1037U will be better than Bay Trail-D as it has 6 EUs rather than 4 EUs.

As far as SATA ports go, 1037U with NM70 is way ahead of Bay Trail-D with four SATA ports (one of which is 6 Gbps.) In contrast, Bay Trail-D only comes with two 3 Gbps SATA.

Furthermore, all the consumer Bay Trail-D boards (thus far) require SO-DIMM* while 1037U boards can be commonly found with DIMM slots.

With that mentioned, Bay Trail-D does offer usb 3.0 and all consumer boards with the exception of the ECS BAT-TI pictured here have passive heatsinks.

P.S. I am glad to see the Gigabyte Bay Trail-D boards able to use 1.5V memory. *I am crossing my fingers that ECS follows the trend the set with the NM70-I and NM70-I2 by offering their BAT-I2 with 1.5V DIMM slots. (If so, the ECS BAT-I2 would become the first Bay Trail Mini-ITX to use DIMMs rather than SO-DIMMs.)

I am somehow getting the impression that manufacturers don't like to make mobos with soldered-on CPUs (I'm not talking about system vendors, just mobo manufacturers). It's been almost 8 months since Kabini was announced and there has been only 1 mobo (2 actually if you want to count the E2-2100) available at retail. It's been about 6 months since Bay Trail was announced and we've seen 2 motherboards available (Gigabyte and Supermicro) in retail. By comparison, the 1037u motherboards are almost plentiful to the point of being absurd. After 6 months, there are over 8 brands available for sale.

Now there's talk of Socketed AM1 Athlons and Semprons using Kabini SoC...I think we'll see those socketed AMD mobos before we see more bay trail mobos or haswell celeron 29XXu series mobos.

 

[Kneedragger]

What's sad is hardly any of these combos have USB 3.0 on them. Then the Bay Trail D combos have USB 3.0 but usually PCIe X 1. You can't win I tell you!

 

[cbn]

It's been about 6 months since Bay Trail was announced and we've seen 2 motherboards available (Gigabyte and Supermicro) in retail. By comparison, the 1037u motherboards are almost plentiful to the point of being absurd. After 6 months, there are over 8 brands available for sale.

1037U did launch 2 quarters ahead of Bay Trail:

1037U, Q1 2013 according to Ark---> http://ark.intel.com/products/71995/Intel-Celeron-Processor-1037U-2M-Cache-1_80-GHz

Bay Trail-D, Q3 2013 according to Ark---> http://ark.intel.com/products/76531/Intel-Celeron-Processor-J1750-1M-Cache-2_41-GHz

 

[Namisecond]

1037U did launch 2 quarters ahead of Bay Trail:

1037U, Q1 2013 according to Ark---> http://ark.intel.com/products/71995/Intel-Celeron-Processor-1037U-2M-Cache-1_80-GHz

Bay Trail-D, Q3 2013 according to Ark---> http://ark.intel.com/products/76531/Intel-Celeron-Processor-J1750-1M-Cache-2_41-GHz

I'm taking that into account.

By about 4Q 2013, the celeron 1037u motherboards were in the marketplace in force (and already a generation old).

We're approaching 2Q 2014 and there are 2 Bay Trail motherboards available for sale. The situation is even worse for the haswell celeron/pentiums (which were released around the same time). Not even an announcement.

 

[cbn]

By about 4Q 2013, the celeron 1037u motherboards were in the marketplace in force (and already a generation old).

We're approaching 2Q 2014 and there are 2 Bay Trail motherboards available for sale. The situation is even worse for the haswell celeron/pentiums (which were released around the same time). Not even an announcement.

One month into Q4 there was only one 1037U and one 1007U (according to the accounting I did at the time for the $100 and under category)--> http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=35674241&postcount=291. ( Earliest newegg review for GA1007UN-D was 6/25/2013 so that one actually made it out in Q2 2013.)

The Giada N70E-DR (1037U), $180, was also released to retail at least in Q4 (if not Q3, earliest newegg review was 10/4). Not sure when the two over $100 Jetway boards (1037U and 1047UE) were made available in retail.

We are still in Q1 and so far there is one consumer Bay Trail-D motherboard, Gigabyte GA-J1800N-D2H---> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128688 (earliest newegg review 2/25/2014)

So that is not so bad for consumer Bay Trail-D IMO. (Although it does look like the Gigabyte 1007U board was even quicker to retail......by about 2 months)

 

[Namisecond]

One month into Q4 there was only one 1037U and one 1007U (according to the accounting I did at the time for the $100 and under category)--> http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=35674241&postcount=291. ( Earliest newegg review for GA1007UN-D was 6/25/2013 so that one actually made it out in Q2 2013.)

The Giada N70E-DR (1037U), $180, was also released to retail at least in Q4 (if not Q3, earliest newegg review was 10/4). Not sure when the two over $100 Jetway boards (1037U and 1047UE) were made available in retail.

We are still in Q1 and so far there is one consumer Bay Trail-D motherboard, Gigabyte GA-J1800N-D2H---> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128688 (earliest newegg review 2/25/2014)

So that is not so bad for consumer Bay Trail-D IMO. (Although it does look like the Gigabyte 1007U board was even quicker to retail......by about 2 months)

Here's the other Bay Trail board I found. Not exactly consumer, but definitely cheaper than the industrial boards that were shown at the trade shows.

http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?...Fcg7OgoduGYAjw

There are 2 version, the "X10SBA" which is the full board pictured above and the "X10SBA-L" which lose the 4 SATA2 and the msata slot

 

[dave_the_nerd]

Want to set up a NAS and saw a local shop selling ECS nm70-i2 with 1037U + 8G ram (3 years warranty) and Giada NE70E-DR with 1007U + 8G ram (2 years warranty) at same price.

ECS nm70-i2 / Giada NE70E-DR
1037U (1.8) / 1007U (1.5)
2 ram slot / 1 ram slot
1 LAN port / 2 LAN port
4 sata port / 6 sata port
2.0 USB / 3.0 USB

Saw Giada price about double of the ECS on line. Dun know why Giada more expensive, better quality? 1037U (1.8) vs 1007U (1.5) have significant difference?

I should go for which motherboard? Can advise? Thanks...

If you want to build a NAS and they're the same price, buy the Giada. More SATA ports, dual NICs can have their uses. I wouldn't worry about having only a single RAM slot - you'd have to be doing some pretty serious NAS stuff to need more than 8GB.

What store? I'm tempted.

 

[Hmongkeysauce]

I assume a celeron 1037 is sufficient for an AD/DNS server for the home? I have some extra parts laying around, just need a cheap cpu/mobo for a AD/DNS server.

 

[VirtualLarry]

What happened to the 1037U Brix units at Newegg? They're OOS, and haven't been restocked. I really wanted one of them, when I can get the money.

 

[cbn]

Giada N70E-DR 1037U is on sale for $129.99 with special shipping:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813176015

 

[Namisecond]

If you want to build a NAS and they're the same price, buy the Giada. More SATA ports, dual NICs can have their uses. I wouldn't worry about having only a single RAM slot - you'd have to be doing some pretty serious NAS stuff to need more than 8GB.

What store? I'm tempted.

Depends on the type of NAS. If you want to run freeNAS with ZFS, I'd recommend a real server class board with ECC memory. For a simpler NAS, I would agree with your recommendation on the Giada board, especially considering there's been a big price drop down to $129

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813176015

I'm actually considering picking up another one to upgrade my firewall...

Edit: Hah, Computer Bottleneck beat me to the punch!

 

[Namisecond]

What happened to the 1037U Brix units at Newegg? They're OOS, and haven't been restocked. I really wanted one of them, when I can get the money.

It looks like it's being end of life'd, I'm having a hard time finding it anywhere. Hopefully it will be replaced with a Haswell based model with the 10EU GT1 graphics.

 

[Namisecond]

It looks like it's being end of life'd, I'm having a hard time finding it anywhere. Hopefully it will be replaced with a Haswell based model with the 10EU GT1 graphics.

Yes, I think it's been end-of-life'd as Gigabyte has a haswell celeron replacement already on their website called the Brix GB-BXCEH-2955

http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4860#sp

Pros: new 10EU GT1 GPU, 2.5" HDD or SSD (in addition to the original msata), 4-USB ports. Looks a heckuva lot nicer than Intel's NUC...

Cons: I only see the 1.4ghz celeron 2955u offered.

I'm actually excited about this Brix and am looking forward to getting one for testing purposes.

 

[Namisecond]

If you are looking for budget LGA socket in Mini-ITX here are some good options:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...67&ignorebbr=1

(ASRock H61MV-ITX LGA 1155 Intel H61 HDMI Mini ITX Intel Motherboard, $49.99 with free shipping)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...59&ignorebbr=1

(ECS H61H2-I5 (V1.0) LGA 1155 Intel H61 Mini ITX Intel Motherboard, $37.99 AR with $3.99 shipping)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...23&ignorebbr=1

(ECS H61H2-I3 (v1.0) LGA 1155 Intel H61 HDMI Mini ITX Intel Motherboard, $42.49 after promo code with $5.99 shipping)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...41&ignorebbr=1

(ECS H61H2-I v1.1 LGA 1155 Intel H61 HDMI Mini ITX Intel Motherboard, $46.74 after promo code with $7.56 shipping)

All boards are usb 2.0 only, but have four SATA 3 Gbps ports.

(NOTE: The first ECS only has VGA out, but if planning to use a discrete video card that shouldn't matter. The Last ECS is pretty nice in that it has HDMI, DVI and VGA, 8 channel sound and mini PCI-E bringing total hard drive capacity up to five)

Combine with 2.6 Ghz Celeron G1610 for $42.99 plus free shipping --> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00B4BJYVU/...xtension-kb-20 and now a person has a system that is almost 50% faster than 1037U for only a modest increase in price.

Okay, now with that pricing information out of the way....I would be very interested (among other things) to find out the idle power differences between a Celeron G1610 system and 1037U system?

I know this is horribly out of date, but I just ran some idle power tests between a 1037u (Giada N70E-DR) and a socket 1150 with a celeron 3220.

Giada N70E-DR: 1x4GB SO-DIMM, 80W picopsu, SSD.
Idle: 14W

MSI H81i + Pentium G3220: 2x2GB dimm, 300W Seasonic 80+Bronze, SSD
Idle: 19W

 

[NewYorksFinest]

I would really upgrade to a Haswell i3 or Pentium.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Yes, I think it's been end-of-life'd as Gigabyte has a haswell celeron replacement already on their website called the Brix GB-BXCEH-2955

http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4860#sp

Pros: new 10EU GT1 GPU, 2.5" HDD or SSD (in addition to the original msata), 4-USB ports. Looks a heckuva lot nicer than Intel's NUC...

Cons: I only see the 1.4ghz celeron 2955u offered.

I'm actually excited about this Brix and am looking forward to getting one for testing purposes.

That one does look pretty nice. I wonder, though, about the video outputs.

According to their specs, HDMI is limited to 1920x1080, whereas the DP can do 1920x1200.

I have some really nice monitors with HDMI that are 1920x1200.

Seems like a silly limitation, if they are in fact true.

(And I thought DP on Haswell could do 4K.)