Are any Celeron 1037U Motherboards actually available?

[SinceCCF]

I hadn't thought of that. I have a older full size htpc running a x4 610e. I don't leave mine on all the time but if someone did a system like this would save them alot of power. When this board I have ordered comes in I will hook the kill a watt to it and see what kind of power it is using, although I am sure it would do better with a pico type psu than the antec 150 watt one as I don't think it is 80 plus efficient...

I have a x4 610e in a shuttle SA76G2 system paired with a HD7750 as my HTPC, this thing is drawing about 45w at idle or downloading, it's been 24x7 for over two years in my living room. Power usage is not a big deal but it's noisy sometimes, you can hear the high pitch noise from the 3.5" hard drives. I was planning to get this 1037u itx system to lower the power usage and reduce the noise using 2.5" hard drives, for video playback HD4000 of 1037u is good enough for most movies.

 

[86waterpumper]

x4 610e did very well on power for a older quad core! I have mine o/c to 3.0 ghz but haven't raised the voltage Mine has a motherboard with onboard radeon 4250. Since its main use now ends up being a plex server it does pretty well despite the weak video. My problem with switching to a smaller case and 2.5 drives is they just don't make them in large enough capacity yet. Hopefully that will change.

SinceCCF, do you think that the single channel ram will affect the hd4000 video bandwith enough that it could mess up video playback, or would it only hamper things like gaming?
Also this 1037u is a ivy bridge cpu correct? I read that the 25 fps bug is finally fixed right? Did this get fixed with ivy, or not until haswell?

 

[nForce2]

I hadn't thought of that. I have a older full size htpc running a x4 610e. I don't leave mine on all the time but if someone did a system like this would save them alot of power. When this board I have ordered comes in I will hook the kill a watt to it and see what kind of power it is using, although I am sure it would do better with a pico type psu than the antec 150 watt one as I don't think it is 80 plus efficient...

That would be great to see those numbers, especially at idle. :thumbsup:

Do you have a picoPSU? They have some in the 80-90 watt size that are really high efficiency. It looks like about half of these 1037u motherboards have the onboard DC converters, and half (like this one) unfortunately do not. :|

I have a x4 610e in a shuttle SA76G2 system paired with a HD7750 as my HTPC, this thing is drawing about 45w at idle or downloading, it's been 24x7 for over two years in my living room. Power usage is not a big deal but it's noisy sometimes, you can hear the high pitch noise from the 3.5" hard drives. I was planning to get this 1037u itx system to lower the power usage and reduce the noise using 2.5" hard drives, for video playback HD4000 of 1037u is good enough for most movies.

We're pretty much in the same boat. I figure I can switch to one of the 1037U systems, and have it paid off in a year and a half or so from the electricity savings. :thumbsup:

For the noise aspect, I was hoping to get one of the motherboards with the separate larger heatsink/fan assembly, like this Jetway motherboard:

.. and not the integrated fan, like the other Jetway motherboard:

... and then I could replace the small fan with a larger/slower/quieter fan that was ducted so that it worked as both a case fan and a CPU fan. :thumbsup:

 

[SinceCCF]

x4 610e did very well on power for a older quad core! I have mine o/c to 3.0 ghz but haven't raised the voltage Mine has a motherboard with onboard radeon 4250. Since its main use now ends up being a plex server it does pretty well despite the weak video. My problem with switching to a smaller case and 2.5 drives is they just don't make them in large enough capacity yet. Hopefully that will change.

SinceCCF, do you think that the single channel ram will affect the hd4000 video bandwith enough that it could mess up video playback, or would it only hamper things like gaming?
Also this 1037u is a ivy bridge cpu correct? I read that the 25 fps bug is finally fixed right? Did this get fixed with ivy, or not until haswell?

1037u is ivybridge so 24fps (23.976fps actually) bug is not fixed, intel had it fixed in the haswell generation, which is hd4400 and hd4600, I had hd7750 mainly for madvr jinc3, hd4000 is not enough for madvr so I'm planning to use haali renderer or lav, the single channel memeory (which also works as the video memory) would lower the performance of graphic units a lot, but I guess hd4000 would be enough for DXVA anyway even as single channel.

Integrated graphic is very sensitive to memory width, this is also very true for APU from AMD, I saw report of a10 5700 would not be able to handle madvr unless you use dual channel DDR3 1866 or higher frequency memory, I was hoping the AMD kaveri APU will be available in Q4 2013 but AMD pushed it back to early 2014, this kaveri is promised to be significantly fast than current APU processors, thus makes it an ideal choice for an ITX HTPC.

 

[Zap]

This is the first 1037U motherboard I've seen in the Micro-ITX form factor.

That's Flex ATX, not Micro ATX.

Only VGA output is kind of disappointing.

HD4000 of 1037u

It isn't HD 4000, which is 16 EUs. It has only 6 EUs.

 

[nForce2]

That's Flex ATX, not Micro ATX.

Good eye. Micro ATX is how all of the vendors are listing it, but you're right, it's smaller than that.

Only VGA output is kind of disappointing.

But it makes up for it by having a parallel port, right? :biggrin:

 

[Insert_Nickname]

That is true, but unless this thing won't play 1080p youtube or netflix smoothly then for my parents personal use it will never matter. They won't even be playing flash based games. It might matter for others but I can't see anyone picking something like this system for even a casual gaming rig even if it was dual channel. As intel cpus go with built in graphics this ranks right down there at the bottom doesn't it? My girlfriend has a e-350 system. It is single channel 64 bit, and even so it can pull off both netflix and 1080p flash as well as facebook type games. I bet you hardly any 1037u laptops/netbooks get shipped with dual ram modules installed. Most people running this cpu on a laptop will have one channel with probably high latency cas11 ddr 1066 haha.

For basic usage you can definitely get by with a single channel. Its just something one has to keep in mind. Also at this kind of performance level its kind of pointless as the HD2500 is just too slow to run any kind of 3D game anyway (forget about video enhancement too), dual channel or not. Unlike the E350 that can actually run some (older) games.

Using a single channel also allows for easy memory upgrades down the road.

 

[Zap]

But it makes up for it by having a parallel port, right? :biggrin:

I would rock that port so hard! And that RS232. Uhhhhnnnggg!

 

[86waterpumper]

That would be great to see those numbers, especially at idle.

Do you have a picoPSU? They have some in the 80-90 watt size that are really high efficiency. It looks like about half of these 1037u motherboards have the onboard DC converters, and half (like this one) unfortunately do not.

I do not have a pico psu. Since the antec case comes with a psu and my folks are trying to keep cost down I have to use it. I realize idle power tests with this supply will not mean alot..they will be higher than a pico would show. However I do have one advantage. My girlfriend has this exact same case with a e-350 system, so I can test both and show the difference at idle and load between the two systems! Both systems will have a ssd drive os drive only and both be running windows 8 so it should be a pretty even test.

For basic usage you can definitely get by with a single channel. Its just something one has to keep in mind. Also at this kind of performance level its kind of pointless as the HD2500 is just too slow to run any kind of 3D game anyway (forget about video enhancement too), dual channel or not. Unlike the E350 that can actually run some (older) games

Right I was thinking that the ulv chips had a lesser video than the desktop chips they pretty much would have to to get the tdp down. So then basically what we have or end up with is a ivy bridge cpu with sandy bridge level graphics. I think anyone buying this system should know on the frontend they are giving up some muscle to gain power savings, lower heat etc.

My main hope for this system is just that it will run youtube 1080p and netflix fine. A e-350 that is setup right will do this, but BARELY. It pretty well maxes the cpu out, to the tune of something like 85 percent. You can only dedicate it to doing what it's doing, no running crap at all in the background or even surfing while you run anything through the hdmi out. My hope for this 1037u is that it will have something like 50 to 60 some percent cpu usage and therefore be able to multitask a bit even if you had a video going. The 25 fps bug is a letdown for those wanting this for a pure htpc system. The good news is that eventually since it has been fixed there will be next gen ulv chips based on the haswell. A 2.5 ghz ulv with the fps bug fixed and maybe 4000 or 4600 level hd graphics would be a great htpc rig! When they come out with that I will be buying myself one that is for sure.

 

[nForce2]

I would rock that port so hard! And that RS232. Uhhhhnnnggg!

Ah! If it's the RS232 that does it for you, how about the LR-C1037TN, with SIX serial ports? :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:

http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=17210004052

 

[SinceCCF]

just saw a thread in hk forum talking about the 1037 from biostar, he attached some pictures as well as some test results.

http://computer.discuss.com.hk/viewthread.php?tid=22426038&page=3#pid371511128

1037u 3dmark is 2037, and it's handling youtube 1080p pretty well.

 

[cbn]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813186236

Foxconn has a 1037U on sale at the egg for $79.99 plus $6.98 shipping.

 

[nForce2]

just saw a thread in hk forum talking about the 1037 from biostar, he attached some pictures as well as some test results.

Thanks!

The Google translation I was reading is a bit hard to follow... the screenshot of the "Birds" video, with the CPU at 100%, is that using completely software decoding?

Otherwise, the 1080P YouTube at 10% CPU usage would seem to address 86waterpumper's concern. :thumbsup:


It's cool to see the pictures with the heatsink removed. Anyone know if this mounting arrangement is anything standardized, so that the heatsink could be replaced with something larger?

 

[SinceCCF]

Thanks!

The Google translation I was reading is a bit hard to follow... the screenshot of the "Birds" video, with the CPU at 100%, is that using completely software decoding?

Otherwise, the 1080P YouTube at 10% CPU usage would seem to address 86waterpumper's concern. :thumbsup:


It's cool to see the pictures with the heatsink removed. Anyone know if this mounting arrangement is anything standardized, so that the heatsink could be replaced with something larger?

That bird clip is from http://cybernetnews.com/xbmc-high-bitrate-sample-videos, which is ~40mbps h264 and very hard to use cpu to decode, the software he chose is kmplayer and he's saying that he feels kmplayer was using cpu decoding and caused it using 100% for all cores.

 

[SinceCCF]

I think he's using software decoding based on the celeron 847 review from avsforum, 847 is able to decode bird clip flawlessly with hardware decoding enabled.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1438912/m...leron-847-and-intel-hd-graphics#post_22582669

 

[AkumaX]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813186236

Foxconn has a 1037U on sale at the egg for $79.99 plus $6.98 shipping.

Oooo cheap! Pretty tempting!

Things to note:
- PCI-E 1x
- uses SO-DIMMs (8GB max total)
- no USB 3.0
- 1 x SATA3, 3 x SATA2

 

[cbn]

Oooo cheap! Pretty tempting!

Things to note:
- PCI-E 1x
- uses SO-DIMMs (8GB max total)
- no USB 3.0
- 1 x SATA3, 3 x SATA2

I actually surprised they are not cheaper considering LGA is not much more.....but good news is that these BGA mini-itx go on sale fairly often enough.

Two examples from the past:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=35187076&postcount=29

GIGABYTE GA-C847N-D
BIOSTAR NM70I-847

Gigabyte was $49.99 AR and the Biostar was $89.99 (but came with Free 8GB of RAM bringing its final cost even lower than the Gigabyte).

 

[AkumaX]

I actually surprised they are not cheaper considering LGA is not much more.....but good news is that these BGA mini-itx go on sale fairly often enough.

Two examples from the past:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=35187076&postcount=29

GIGABYTE GA-C847N-D
BIOSTAR NM70I-847

Gigabyte was $49.99 AR and the Biostar was $89.99 (but came with Free 8GB of RAM bringing its final cost even lower than the Gigabyte).

Yeah!! I would love to see this 1037U motherboard get 8GB for free!!! I'd totally be in 4 1 for some super-cheap build...

 

[86waterpumper]

Otherwise, the 1080P YouTube at 10% CPU usage would seem to address 86waterpumper's concern

Wow if it could in fact pull off 1080 youtube at 10 percent then it will have matched what my precision m4600 with a i7-2720qm can do...:biggrin:
I guess though if my 4600 is only using 10 percent of the downclocked non turbo speed it might be possible? If this is the case this would make a
pretty good plex server. I have tried this on the e-350 and it just can't quite pull it off very well.

foxconn board is still cheaper at mwave unless they are out of stock...still haven't gotten mine in yet hopefully it will be here in the next few days.
A word of caution to those ordering from mwave...it took them four or five days to ship my order. Not sure if that meant they were out of stock
when I ordered or that is their standard practice? I guess we have become spoiled by amazon, newegg etc haha. .

 

[nForce2]

I guess we have become spoiled by amazon, newegg etc haha. .

I've actually had newegg take a long time to ship an order too... and not complicated orders either.

I think they look at the orders, and do a certain amount of prioritization based on the delivery time window. If you order with the shipping option that takes 5 business days or less, and they know it will only take two days to ship, they might take the full 3 days to get it out the door. :\

It's happened to me enough times that I pretty much never expect to get anything "fast" anymore. If I need something ASAP, I usually buy it off eBay now, where sellers do their best to be timely because it effects their feedback. :thumbsup:

 

[86waterpumper]

Yeah you are right, some places have gotten somewhat slower, and even amazon waits and groups orders when they can. I mean I never count on getting anything sooner than say a five day work week time span anymore. I have not however had a place sit on a shipment for five straight days after the order and confirmation that my credit card was verified on something that showed in stock...I will take the slow shipping though and save. If I got this from newegg I would get hit with shipping and tax on top of the 10 dollar higher price and it would make this board just shy of 100 bucks :/

 

[AkumaX]

Any thoughts of just securing something like a H81M-ITX with G3220 for $125 ish?

 

[86waterpumper]

Where are you finding prices like that? G3220 is 70 bucks, and the motherboard is around 65 to 70 shipped? (@ newegg, amazon, superbiiz etc) A setup such as that would be nearly twice what I spent, but yeah alot more powerful setup and I would go that route before buying it at newegg's price.

 

[AkumaX]

Where are you finding prices like that? G3220 is 70 bucks, and the motherboard is around 65 to 70 shipped? (@ newegg, amazon, superbiiz etc) A setup such as that would be nearly twice what I spent, but yeah alot more powerful setup and I would go that route before buying it at newegg's price.

microcenter has G3220 for $60 (and the board @ newegg for $65)

 

[SinceCCF]

microcenter has G3220 for $60 (and the board @ newegg for $65)

I have microcenter 10 miles from where I live, also thinking about this as an option, if no dual channel 1037u board comes out before the xmas season, I especially like the asus h81 itx but it doesn't have a mini pcie on it, but it does have a asmedia usb 3.0 on the backplate which can be used in windows xp.