Are any Celeron 1037U Motherboards actually available?

[nForce2]

Found another motherboard that looks interesting, the Yueson TN-ION4.
http://www.yueson.com.cn/index.php?act=pShow&id=52

This has most of the typical specs, but it has NVIDIA GK208 graphics onboard, as well as the built-in power converter. :thumbsup:

 

[86waterpumper]

I am trying to build my parent's a small system that uses very little power. I hate to use the current crop of 847 celerons, or the e-350 or /450 boards, when the kabini and these 1037u are right around the bend. I don't understand why the boards always lag so far behind laptops that have these chips. I would settle for the gigabyte 1007u but it is a problem not having usb3.0 nor even a pci-e slot to add it on a card. I am not sure what they were thinking with pci slots, and all the oldschool type connections. The only place I could see it being useful would be in a industrial type computer and they don't seem like they cater to that with any of their other products. I can hold out another month to six weeks on ordering a board but that's about it. If nothing is out by then I may just go with a socket itx and g1610.

 

[cbn]

I am trying to build my parent's a small system that uses very little power. I hate to use the current crop of 847 celerons, or the e-350 or /450 boards, when the kabini and these 1037u are right around the bend. I don't understand why the boards always lag so far behind laptops that have these chips. I would settle for the gigabyte 1007u but it is a problem not having usb3.0 nor even a pci-e slot to add it on a card. I am not sure what they were thinking with pci slots, and all the oldschool type connections. The only place I could see it being useful would be in a industrial type computer and they don't seem like they cater to that with any of their other products. I can hold out another month to six weeks on ordering a board but that's about it. If nothing is out by then I may just go with a socket itx and g1610.

If you need native USB 3.0 look for HM70 chipset (rather than NM70 chipset).

Two examples with Celeron 847:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...=1&srchInDesc=

......eventually 1007U versions should follow.

 

[nForce2]

I am trying to build my parent's a small system that uses very little power.

'Computer Bottleneck' gave some good options. Another might be the i3-3227U GIGABYTE BRIX. The 3227U is still a low-power 17W TDP processor, and the BRIX has 2x USB 3.0 ports.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...tem=56-164-003

At $300, it's a lot more expensive... but if you need to buy a case, power supply, etc, etc, that price gap will narrow a bit.

Otherwise, I'm right with you - you really do hate to buy something when you know something better is so close to release. :hmm:

 

[86waterpumper]

Nah I already have the case bought. I am giving it to my parents since I found a sale on them so that will help them with the cost some...it is a antec 300-150 isk. The gigabyte and the intel nuc systems look nice and do have a tiny footprint, but I need to be able to run a internal dvd drive. I know you can get externals but they won't want to fool with that. Since the case has a 150 watt built in power supply, I might be better off to just go with a g1610 or a g2030 even I think maybe these 1037u and kabinis will end up being at or over 100 bucks at least when they first come out and that makes them less desirable unless you want the lowest power consumption period and that is the main goal.

Anyway maybe some of these new small itx boards will drop within the next month and we can get some idea of pricing and availability. It seems like it is never the right time to build a system...always tempting to wait for what is around the corner I know, but in this case, I feel that the 847 simply is just not enough processing power since it won't even turbo.

 

[nForce2]

The first one has arrived! (at a USA-based retailer)

Newegg now has the Giada N70E-DR in stock, a 1037u board with the HM77 chipset. :thumbsup: $180.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813176015

 

[Zap]

The first one has arrived! (at a USA-based retailer)

Newegg now has the Giada N70E-DR in stock, a 1037u board with the HM77 chipset. :thumbsdown: $180.

Fixed!

With the slightly slower one at half the price, this one seems a bit too much to me.

 

[nForce2]

With the slightly slower one at half the price, this one seems a bit too much to me.

Which one are you referring to?

 

[nForce2]

It looks like Jetway has another new one coming out, the NL70-I1037.

It's a Thin-mini-ITX form factor. The web page says it uses a 12V external power connection, but the connector looks like the type that would take a dual-voltage supply?

http://www.jetway.com.tw/jw/ipcboard_view.asp?productid=1054&proname=NL70-I1037

 

[Zap]

With the slightly slower one at half the price, this one seems a bit too much to me.

Which one are you referring to?

The Gigabyte ITX board that has been available at Newegg (and probably elsewhere) for quite a while now has a Celeron 1007U and is priced at $90. AFAIK the CPU is the "same" sans 300MHz, at 1.5GHz versus the 1.8GHz of the 1037U.

 

[86waterpumper]

Wow 180 bucks? I have not even heard of giada. For that kind of money you can buy a asus itx board with usb 3.0, two full size memory slots, and a 3ghz pentium...I guess that is the route I need to go. It will probably be awhile before supply gets going on these and prices come down. I know you can't judge everything from pics but seems like these cooler fans are mighty small, might equal a good bit of noise under load?

 

[nForce2]

With the slightly slower one at half the price, this one seems a bit too much to me.

The Gigabyte ITX board that has been available at Newegg (and probably elsewhere) for quite a while now has a Celeron 1007U and is priced at $90. AFAIK the CPU is the "same" sans 300MHz, at 1.5GHz versus the 1.8GHz of the 1037U.

The 1037U is looking to be >30% faster than the 1007u in the benchmarks (PassMark avg 1379 vs 1808), which is pretty substantial I think.

But the real killer is that the GIGABYTE GA-C1007UN-D with the 1007U only has a single PCI slot for expansion, while the Giada has a PCI Express x16 slot @x4, as well as a mini-pcie slot. So your graphics expansion possibilities are extremely limited on the GIGABYTE 1007u board. The Giada also has twice as many SATA ports, and has USB 3.0.

It will probably be awhile before supply gets going on these and prices come down.

Yep, and that was the reason for my :thumbsup: - because this process is finally starting. This Giada board is literally the first one out of the gate and into the marketplace, and as we found out before, the other established brands don't have any incentive to start pushing theirs or even thinking about pricing battles before their 847 stocks are reduced. But once a second or third comes on the market, we may see some pricing differences. :thumbsup:

 

[nForce2]

The second motherboard is available. mwave now has the Foxconn D70S-P for $70 (+ shipping). :thumbsup:

http://www.mwave.com/mwave/SKUSearch...8GB%20Mini-PCI

It's lower-spec'd than the Giada from Newegg (1x ethernet, PCI-Express x1, no USB 3), but cheaper than the GIGABYTE 1007u motherboard and the majority of the 847 boards as well.

 

[86waterpumper]

Wow can't argue with that price! Why on these boards that feature so-dimm slots do they only have one? That hinders dual channel but I guess on a system like this most probably don't care about that. It would be nice if it had dvi, but it is nice to see hdmi. I guess you could use a hdmi to dvi converter cable?

 

[Zap]

The second motherboard is available. mwave now has the Foxconn D70S-P for $70 (+ shipping). :thumbsup:

So much win on the price, but single channel RAM?

 

[86waterpumper]

Yeah at least it supports 1600mhz sticks. All I can think is maybe since the memory modules lay over at a angle and some are stacked double now especially the 8gb ones they thought there wasn't enough real estate? I am really surprised at 70 bucks though that it has both hdmi out as well as sata III. No usb 3.0 but that can be added for fairly cheap on the included pci-e slot. How is foxconn in terms of quality/reliability?

 

[Zap]

How is foxconn in terms of quality/reliability?

Usually physical quality is reasonable, but not sure on BIOS support and such. They are capable of very good quality on higher end products, but their cheapest products are just like the same priced products from any other company. AKA, not the best.

 

[86waterpumper]

Well I went on and ordered one of these foxconns. That price is hard to beat...Once I get it in I will report back

 

[nForce2]

Well I went on and ordered one of these foxconns. That price is hard to beat...Once I get it in I will report back

Awesome. :thumbsup: Let us know what you think!

 

[SinceCCF]

the foxconn board is also available from ebay now. hope the board has two sodimm slots but it got only one, I'll hold for next available model to order one.

 

[nForce2]

Here's another one to keep an eye on, the C07M-PK (not sure on the manufacturer?):
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=19081841371

This is the first 1037U motherboard I've seen in the Micro-ITX form factor.

 

[86waterpumper]

It has pretty much been proven that dual channel only adds 1 to 2 percent speed on benchmarks (at least on intel systems) On a basic low cost setup such as this I don't think it is much of a distraction. I do get the fact that it is limited to 8gb ram for my parents will not be a issue. For others that want 16gb it would suck.
This celeron is obviously more powerful than previously available in a board like this but I still can't see someone running vms on it or anything. For sure sodimms cost a bit more, but the overall cost was what I looked at. I think 70 bucks is a very nice pricepoint. Many e-350 boards still cost that. Hopefully there will be nicer boards come out soon that do have usb 3 etc. I don't see any blue ports on that above linked larger board. I can't see the point of a embedded cpu in a micro atx form factor.

 

[Insert_Nickname]

It has pretty much been proven that dual channel only adds 1 to 2 percent speed on benchmarks (at least on intel systems)

With the caveat that the IGP is much more affected then the CPU. Often 30-50% less performance.

As a sidenote, if you're building an AMD APU system (with the exception of Brazos/Kabini, because they only have a 64bit memory interface), you should always go for a dual channel setup.

 

[nForce2]

On a basic low cost setup such as this I don't think it is much of a distraction.

Yep. I would prefer dual-channel as well, but at $70 (as a launch price!), we have to expect that some corners would be cut to keep the costs down. I'm OK with it.

$70 is also an awesome launch price because it puts the pressure on the other manufacturers right away. Biostar, Jetway, ECS, and the rest now have some stiff competition when they launch their competing products.

I don't see any blue ports on that above linked larger board. I can't see the point of a embedded cpu in a micro atx form factor.

Nope, no USB 3 ports on that one.

One possible use for the embedded CPU on a Micro-ATX motherboard is that it makes a nice drop-in replacement to upgrade older HTPC machines. The 1037U is higher performance than a whole range of the Athlon XPs, Athlon 64s, Pentium 4s, the slower Core2 Duos, etc, etc, and at considerable heat/power savings. So all kinds of people with older machines could use this. The Micro-ATX form factor lets you swap stuff straight over - using a modern graphics card, but still having the PCI slots for the TV tuner and video capture cards that you already have. :thumbsup:

 

[86waterpumper]

With the caveat that the IGP is much more affected then the CPU. Often 30-50% less performance

That is true, but unless this thing won't play 1080p youtube or netflix smoothly then for my parents personal use it will never matter. They won't even be playing flash based games. It might matter for others but I can't see anyone picking something like this system for even a casual gaming rig even if it was dual channel. As intel cpus go with built in graphics this ranks right down there at the bottom doesn't it? My girlfriend has a e-350 system. It is single channel 64 bit, and even so it can pull off both netflix and 1080p flash as well as facebook type games. I bet you hardly any 1037u laptops/netbooks get shipped with dual ram modules installed. Most people running this cpu on a laptop will have one channel with probably high latency cas11 ddr 1066 haha.

One possible use for the embedded CPU on a Micro-ATX motherboard is that it makes a nice drop-in replacement to upgrade older HTPC machines.

I hadn't thought of that. I have a older full size htpc running a x4 610e. I don't leave mine on all the time but if someone did a system like this would save them alot of power. When this board I have ordered comes in I will hook the kill a watt to it and see what kind of power it is using, although I am sure it would do better with a pico type psu than the antec 150 watt one as I don't think it is 80 plus efficient...