Arctic Warming - Is The Science Really Settled?

[Thebobo]

Ocean warming picks up speed, hits warmest temperatures ever recorded

http://www.science20.com/news_articles/2014_global_warming_is_back_on_track-149158

This summer has seen the highest global mean sea surface temperatures ever recorded since their systematic measuring started. Temperatures even exceed those of the record-breaking 1998 El Niño year," says Axel Timmermann, climate scientist and professor, studying variability of the global climate system at the International Pacific Research Center, University of Hawaii at Manoa. "The 2014 global ocean warming is mostly due to the North Pacific, which has warmed far beyond any recorded value (Figure 1a) and has shifted hurricane tracks, weakened trade winds, and produced coral bleaching in the Hawaiian Islands," explains Timmermann

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[Subyman]

To answer the OP, the field is still learning and constantly developing, so no nothing is settled.

 

[Thebobo]

To answer the OP, the field is still learning and constantly developing, so no nothing is settled.

Except that it is in respects to trying to do something to curtail it.

Amazing what we did back in the 60, 70s to save the world.

Acid Rain
Bald Eagles
Ozone layer
lead paint
Farm Runoff killing most US rivers.

Now you asholes (not you but "you") cant even decide on any of the science because its gotten to damn freaking political.

 

[Subyman]

Except that it is in respects to trying to do something to curtail it.

Amazing what we did back in the 60, 70s to save the world.

Acid Rain
Bald Eagles
Ozone layer
lead paint
Farm Runoff killing most US rivers.

Now you asholes (not you but "you") cant even decide on any of the science because its gotten to damn freaking political.

I worked on a medium resolution climate model during my graduate studies for my department. I've discussed this issue so many times that I'm exhausted by it. The tiny details aren't settled and there is still much to learn, but the trend is obvious. How a scientific issue has turned into a right vs left thing is beyond my understanding.

 

[bshole]

I worked on a medium resolution climate model during my graduate studies for my department. I've discussed this issue so many times that I'm exhausted by it. The tiny details aren't settled and there is still much to learn, but the trend is obvious. How a scientific issue has turned into a right vs left thing is beyond my understanding.

When they proposed destroying the American economy with cap and trade, they effectively left the realm of science. It was like a doctor saying to his patient: "Hey you may die of cancer 75 years from now so why don't you blow your brains out right now?"

 

[fskimospy]

I worked on a medium resolution climate model during my graduate studies for my department. I've discussed this issue so many times that I'm exhausted by it. The tiny details aren't settled and there is still much to learn, but the trend is obvious. How a scientific issue has turned into a right vs left thing is beyond my understanding.

Wasn't there an article (and thread) recently about how when people don't like the solution to a problem their response is often to just claim the problem doesn't exist?

That to me is the only plausible explanation as to how so many otherwise intelligent people can so fervently deny the overwhelming conclusions of science.

 

[brycejones]

When they proposed destroying the American economy with cap and trade, they effectively left the realm of science. It was like a doctor saying to his patient: "Hey you may die of cancer 75 years from now so why don't you blow your brains out right now?"

Have you finally left the land of denial and are not just pissed off about potential mitigating actions?

No its like a doctor telling you you if keep doing something you will die a slow agonizing death in 75 years but you can modify your behavior now and prevent it.

 

[moonbogg]

I have a question. When we can't grow any food in 100 years, will people still debate about whether or not its our fault?
I would argue that it no longer matters if its natural or man made. The question should be, "Is it happening, and if so, how can we fix it?"

Truth has been spoken here.

 

[dainthomas]

I have a question. When we can't grow any food in 100 years, will people still debate about whether or not its our fault?

Warmer temperatures, higher CO2 levels, and higher precipitation all lead to faster plant growth.

 

[WHAMPOM]

When they proposed destroying the American economy with cap and trade, they effectively left the realm of science. It was like a doctor saying to his patient: "Hey you may die of cancer 75 years from now so why don't you blow your brains out right now?"

Overstate miuch? Don't you mean more like, "Hey you have a greater chance of contracting cancer then the general population so why don't you consider getting out of the tobacco habit?"

edit:Ball players, chew, lip cancer and die of it before the age of 40 at that.

 

[moonbogg]

Warmer temperatures, higher CO2 levels, and higher precipitation all lead to faster plant growth.

Oh, so its a good thing? Then why are people so concerned about global warming? You should tell the UN that warming is good and not bad. Maybe they just don't know.

 

[Paul98]

A large portion of people will deny existence of global warming if they don't like a proposed solution.

Just shows how idiotic that large number of people are.

 

[bshole]

A large portion of people will deny existence of global warming if they don't like a proposed solution.

Just shows how idiotic that large number of people are.

You have a wart on the foot, the doctor proposes to cut your leg off at the hip to remove it, you decline. Who is the idiot?

 

[moonbogg]

You have a wart on the foot, the doctor proposes to cut your leg off at the hip to remove it, you decline. Who is the idiot?

You are for comparing global warming to something as trivial as a foot wart.

 

[OverVolt]

Ocean warming picks up speed, hits warmest temperatures ever recorded

http://www.science20.com/news_articles/2014_global_warming_is_back_on_track-149158
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Yea, ever recorded, then you go back millions of years and look at CO2 in ice core samples and presto we know everything about the climate using 50 years of measured data and a couple samples from millions of years ago on a 4.5 billion year old planet, makes perfect sense.

Those infographics come to mind, where if you plotted modern civilization over a calender year representing the age of the earth, humans civilization has come into the picture on 11:59pm on december 31st. Its just human hubris to think we can understand the earths climate with a couple ice cores and some computer models and 10 years of research. I would say not the least of problems is the fact we only have one planet and no experiment is going to be repeatable. Where as they've been doing particle physics on the standard model and repeating experiments thousands of times and I still don't think they've nailed it down 100%. You're an idiot if you think we can nail down climate science with a sample size of 1. Our planet.

The odds of getting all 7 billion people on the planet to change their way of life based on weak evidence is ZERO so get over it. If anything was going to change it would have been in 2001 when global warming had more support, the USA had more international sway, and the economy was doing much better so we had more resources to throw at the problem. Of course that was 13 years ago and the AGW guys are still banging their head against the wall saying everyone else is an idiot.

 

[Paul98]

You have a wart on the foot, the doctor proposes to cut your leg off at the hip to remove it, you decline. Who is the idiot?

LMAO, you can't even understand what I said it's no wonder you can't understand global warming.

 

[Paratus]

 

[Paul98]

Giving solutions that people can agree with will make a large number of people actually believe in man made climate change. Trying to make rational arguments about man made climate change will do nothing to make these people believe in it. It's completely irrational, but that's the way their brains work.

 

[Subyman]

Warmer temperatures, higher CO2 levels, and higher precipitation all lead to faster plant growth.

We did large studies on the effects of the warming in different regions around the world. While the data is very speculative, it is still interesting to extrapolate the effects. Some places will benefit greatly such as the midwest in the US and certain portions of China. The warming could be good for humanity, we don't really know yet. IMO we should try to mitigate what we can, but focusing more on the transition to an adjusted climate needs to be discussed too. Trying to hold the Earth at a steady state is not going to work long term, a human-made issue or not.

Luckily, we are talking about an issue that acts on a generational timescale. Human migration to better areas can happen over 100's of years without major economic issues to the global economy. In fact, it could help the economy over the long term. Anyway you look at it, its a vast issue and we haven't even all agreed that it exists. Trying to plan long term for it is impossible right now. Once we can all agree we live on a dynamic world that we can influence, then we can start to study the long term global and regional effects.

 

[dainthomas]

Oh, so its a good thing? Then why are people so concerned about global warming? You should tell the UN that warming is good and not bad. Maybe they just don't know.

Well, it's bad for a lot of things. Cute baby polar bears. Pretty tropical fishies. And a whole host of other photogenic things I'm sure. But I haven't heard how longer growing seasons is worse for people.

 

[Joepublic2]

Well, it's bad for a lot of things. Cute baby polar bears. Pretty tropical fishies. And a whole host of other photogenic things I'm sure. But I haven't heard how longer growing seasons is worse for people.

Apparently opening up huge amounts of farmland in what was once Canadian and Russian permafrost is also horrible beyond comprehension as well.

 

[brycejones]

Apparently opening up huge amounts of farmland in what was once Canadian and Russian permafrost is also horrible beyond comprehension as well.

And orange groves in Alaska will be freaking awesome!

 

[Paratus]

Apparently opening up huge amounts of farmland in what was once Canadian and Russian permafrost is also horrible beyond comprehension as well.

I know! Just think how cheap food would be then!

Well after paying for the infrastructure to be built and farmers to move there and the increased costs of shipping the food......

 

[zinfamous]

I know! Just think how cheap food would be then!

Well after paying for the infrastructure to be built and farmers to move there and the increased costs of shipping the food......

and don't forget that all of those people now have to move from uninhabitable land, and now turn the remaining land into farmland...and inhabited land
...I mean...lol

What I have seen in the last 30 or so posts of this thread--conservatives going from outright denial to: well, sure it's real, but when warming happens and the climate gets warmer, obviously this will be better! More fooooood!


jesus fucking christ: you can't make this shit up...except for when people believe in dumbshit like jesus fucking christ and let their handlers tell them how to read.

 

[Joepublic2]

and don't forget that all of those people now have to move from uninhabitable land, and now turn the remaining land into farmland...and inhabited land
...I mean...lol

What I have seen in the last 30 or so posts of this thread--conservatives going from outright denial to: well, sure it's real, but when warming happens and the climate gets warmer, obviously this will be better! More fooooood!


jesus fucking christ: you can't make this shit up...except for when people believe in dumbshit like jesus fucking christ and let their handlers tell them how to read.

The point being, dumbshits, is that there's not a single shed of evidence that's been presented supporting the gloom and doom assertion that a warmer earth will turn out to be a net negative with regards to the average global standard of living. The burden of proof lies on the party making the claim that a slight increase in average global temperature over a century or so = a mad max future, just as the burden of proof lies on the equally zealous urine soaked wino standing on the street corner screaming THE END IS NEAR.