Arctic Warming - Is The Science Really Settled?

[ralfy]

When they proposed destroying the American economy with cap and trade, they effectively left the realm of science. It was like a doctor saying to his patient: "Hey you may die of cancer 75 years from now so why don't you blow your brains out right now?"

I think the cause of U.S. economic crisis isn't cap and trade but deregulation.

 

[ralfy]

The point being, dumbshits, is that there's not a single shed of evidence that's been presented supporting the gloom and doom assertion that a warmer earth will turn out to be a net negative with regards to the average global standard of living. The burden of proof lies on the party making the claim that a slight increase in average global temperature over a century or so = a mad max future, just as the burden of proof lies on the equally zealous urine soaked wino standing on the street corner screaming THE END IS NEAR.

Conclusions regarding global warming were made by the NAS years ago, and validated by an independent study funded by skeptics.

Also, a downturn in standards of living is not the same as a "Mad Max" future.

 

[Joepublic2]

Conclusions regarding global warming were made by the NAS years ago, and validated by an independent study funded by skeptics.

Also, a downturn in standards of living is not the same as a "Mad Max" future.

So, how much poorer is the average person going to be due to global warming? How much less living space and food are they going to have? How much is their life expectancy going to be shortened and their health worsened? Facts and figures, please; I believe in science, not speculation.

 

[doubledeluxe]

Rising sea levels, and it wouldn't take much, will definitely cause problems. They're rising at a foot per century and if the rate increased you would definitely have a problem considering how much of the population lives by the coast.

 

[inachu]

A study was done on the people who say there IS warming vs those who there isn't and those who say there is not any global warming comprise only 5% when the vast majority of meteorologist standing at 95% say there is.

Clearly the 5% are bought out by companies so their bottom line is not harmed.

 

[bshole]

Rising sea levels, and it wouldn't take much, will definitely cause problems. They're rising at a foot per century and if the rate increased you would definitely have a problem considering how much of the population lives by the coast.

Yea that sounds like a conundrum. I hope to god somebody invents levees before we all drown. Yarg!!

 

[fskimospy]

Yea that sounds like a conundrum. I hope to god somebody invents levees before we all drown. Yarg!!

The levees for New Orleans alone cost somewhere around $15 billion. In order to similarly fortify all US coastal cities we are probably talking trillions.

Yarg indeed.

 

[Paratus]

Yea that sounds like a conundrum. I hope to god somebody invents levees before we all drown. Yarg!!

He bshole, did you know solar is becoming a solid investment opportunity:

http://www.slate.com/articles/business/the_juice/2014/10/altus_power_america_the_company_that_s_spreading_solar_energy_by_making.html

ack when it was an expensive, unproven technology, solar energy was driven by hippies in sandals rigging up off-the-grid systems. About a decade ago, change-the-world Silicon Valley types hoping to make gazillions of dollars entered the fray, raising venture capital and promoting moonshot projects, like futuristic solar farms in the Southwestern desert.

Now come the financial service professionals. Because when it’s structured properly, the business of building solar panels and generating carbon-fee electricity can be a solid investment. Not a killer one that will mint billionaires overnight, and not a do-gooder plunge that will pay socially conscious investors below-market returns. But rather a mainstream vehicle that appeals to middle-aged guys in khakis who are more concerned with creating reliable streams of income and beating benchmarks than they are with saving the planet.

Solar, in other words, has become basic. And that’s good news for people worried about global warming and emissions.

Legend killer and I were taking about this in another thread. Apparently it's becoming a boring but solid investment.

Thought you might like to take a look since you took a beating on coal stocks.

 

[bshole]

He bshole, did you know solar is becoming a solid investment opportunity:

http://www.slate.com/articles/busin..._that_s_spreading_solar_energy_by_making.html



Legend killer and I were taking about this in another thread. Apparently it's becoming a boring but solid investment.

Thought you might like to take a look since you took a beating on coal stocks.

Um..... I'm completely off individual stocks other than my own company's and even that is limited. I learned my lesson and it was a damn expensive one. I am not smart enough to pick individual stocks, I just pick indexed mutual funds and let the market do the thinking for me.

PS. BTU has dropped another 5 or 6 dollars since I dropped it.

 

[fskimospy]

Um..... I'm completely off individual stocks other than my own company's and even that is limited. I learned my lesson and it was a damn expensive one. I am not smart enough to pick individual stocks, I just pick indexed mutual funds and let the market do the thinking for me.

PS. BTU has dropped another 5 or 6 dollars since I dropped it.

This is a good plan. Unless you work professionally in finance or have some very specialized knowledge in an area it is usually a bad idea to pick individual stocks. Not only do those index funds usually have returns that match a lot of fancier sounding funds, they're also much cheaper.

 

[zinfamous]

So, how much poorer is the average person going to be due to global warming? How much less living space and food are they going to have? How much is their life expectancy going to be shortened and their health worsened? Facts and figures, please; I believe in science, not speculation.

Well, I can tell that you either don't understand what you are asking for, or you do and are just being incredulous.

You basically have to make the same type of socioeconomic forecasts that one does from year to year to year, today, based on weather patterns, potential for war, market prices, etc etc etc; all with different types of variables.

It sounds like you understand this, yet you ask for a specific answer when you very well know that such a thing does not exist.

 

[Jaskalas]

He bshole, did you know solar is becoming a solid investment opportunity:

http://www.slate.com/articles/busin..._that_s_spreading_solar_energy_by_making.html

Huge Solar Plant Lags in Early Production

Do investors like half output? We still have a ways to go with solar.
Natural gas is today. Thorium can be "tomorrow". Effective solar is beyond that.

 

[Paratus]

Huge Solar Plant Lags in Early Production

Do investors like half output? We still have a ways to go with solar.
Natural gas is today. Thorium can be "tomorrow". Effective solar is beyond that.

Wrong type of plant. This I believe is distributed deployment for small and medium size businesses.

 

[OverVolt]

We're killing the planet just look at the polar bears.

Its much easier this way.

 

[Paratus]

We're killing the planet just look at the polar bears.

Its much easier this way.

Are you sure this post didn't deserve to be one of your ".." posts?

 

[ralfy]

So, how much poorer is the average person going to be due to global warming? How much less living space and food are they going to have? How much is their life expectancy going to be shortened and their health worsened? Facts and figures, please; I believe in science, not speculation.

Current loss is around $1.3 trillion a year:

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2012/sep/26/climate-change-damaging-global-economy

including .4 million deaths. This does not include deaths resulting from pollution. More details in the study mentioned in the article.

Also, factor in amplification from other problems, including peak oil, financial crises, etc.