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Arab League

Aimster

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Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, Kuwait, Iraq, Palestinian Authority, UAE, Bahrain all were agreeing that Hezbollah's actions were irresponsible and inappropriate.

Syria, no surprise is defending Hezbollah.

The Arab League basically came to the conclusion that Israel should halt military operations in Lebanon and hand it over to the U.N Security Council to deal with the situation.

seems nobody likes Hezbollah.
 
Originally posted by: maddogchen
palestinian authority too? when they uh...did the same exact thing?

I dont think the PA means Hamas.
I think it means part of Abbas's organization.

Hamas is cheering Palestine on.
 
Originally posted by: Aimster
Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, Kuwait, Iraq, Palestinian Authority, UAE, Bahrain all were agreeing that Hezbollah's actions were irresponsible and inappropriate.

Syria, no surprise is defending Hezbollah.

The Arab League basically came to the conclusion that Israel should halt military operations in Lebanon and hand it over to the U.N Security Council to deal with the situation.

seems nobody likes Hezbollah.

Do you notice anything in common between those countries, Aimster? It's very easy: they are all either (a) occupied by the US, or (b) their repressive governments are held in power by the money and weapons supplied by the US. Not to mention that nearly all of them are governed by Sunnite majorities, whereas Hizbullah and its main supporter (Iran) are Shiites. Therefore I wouldn't read too much into that statement.

Besides, I challenge you to quote me the part of the statement where it says that "Israel actions justified". You made that up, didn't you?
 
If the UN takes over, then it will be back to the old status quo. Even though they have the Arab league backing; the problem is Hezbollah, not Israel & Lebanon.

Iran & Syria have to back their proxies.
 
Originally posted by: dahunan
Wow.. this is great news.. Thank you for sharing it

Is it good news? I tend to fear they will readily change their minds unless Israel falls back. I could even see it as a form of blackmail.

My entire point being, words are cheap and shallow, but action against Hezbollah would be an entirely different story.
 
Originally posted by: fornax
Originally posted by: Aimster
Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, Kuwait, Iraq, Palestinian Authority, UAE, Bahrain all were agreeing that Hezbollah's actions were irresponsible and inappropriate.

Syria, no surprise is defending Hezbollah.

The Arab League basically came to the conclusion that Israel should halt military operations in Lebanon and hand it over to the U.N Security Council to deal with the situation.

seems nobody likes Hezbollah.

Do you notice anything in common between those countries, Aimster? It's very easy: they are all either (a) occupied by the US, or (b) their repressive governments are held in power by the money and weapons supplied by the US. Not to mention that nearly all of them are governed by Sunnite majorities, whereas Hizbullah and its main supporter (Iran) are Shiites. Therefore I wouldn't read too much into that statement.

Besides, I challenge you to quote me the part of the statement where it says that "Israel actions justified". You made that up, didn't you?

Always looking for a way to blame the victim, aren't we?
 
Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: dahunan
Wow.. this is great news.. Thank you for sharing it

Is it good news? I tend to fear they will readily change their minds unless Israel falls back. I could even see it as a form of blackmail.

My entire point being, words are cheap and shallow, but action against Hezbollah would be an entirely different story.

I admit I am ignorant and naive about the politics in that region.. I just thought that if that many Arab nations came together and condemend two others for their support of these actions then it makes the supporters (Iran, Syria) rhetoric sound really foolish

I cannot believe human beings have to identify themselves as a religion instead of as individual human beings.. and that they will kill others who worship the same God.. but just in a different way or something.. 🙁
 
Aimster -- I hope you have a link to confirm your post.
Originally posted by: The Green Bean
sad day for arabia...Unity is the only solution for their problems.
Bullsh8! Assuming Aimster's post is confirmed, it's great to know there are some thinking minds among Arab leaders.

There's enough wrong on all sides in the middle east, but in this case, Hezbollah struck first by kidnapping Israelis and firing rockets into Israeli territory from Lebanon, and now, they're crying because Israel hit back.

Hezbollah is the aggressor, here, and any "unity" behind their bad idea is nothing more than a lemming mentality, marching nose to asshole to their own mass self destruction.
 
Originally posted by: fornax
Originally posted by: Aimster
Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, Kuwait, Iraq, Palestinian Authority, UAE, Bahrain all were agreeing that Hezbollah's actions were irresponsible and inappropriate.

Syria, no surprise is defending Hezbollah.

The Arab League basically came to the conclusion that Israel should halt military operations in Lebanon and hand it over to the U.N Security Council to deal with the situation.

seems nobody likes Hezbollah.

Do you notice anything in common between those countries, Aimster? It's very easy: they are all either (a) occupied by the US, or (b) their repressive governments are held in power by the money and weapons supplied by the US. Not to mention that nearly all of them are governed by Sunnite majorities, whereas Hizbullah and its main supporter (Iran) are Shiites. Therefore I wouldn't read too much into that statement.

Besides, I challenge you to quote me the part of the statement where it says that "Israel actions justified". You made that up, didn't you?

I take it reading and comprehension are not your strong suits?
 
Originally posted by: Harvey
Aimster -- I hope you have a link to confirm your post.
Originally posted by: The Green Bean
sad day for arabia...Unity is the only solution for their problems.
Bullsh8! Assuming Aimster's post is confirmed, it's great to know there are some thinking minds among Arab leaders.

There's enough wrong on all sides in the middle east, but in this case, Hezbollah struck first by kidnapping Israelis and firing rockets into Israeli territory from Lebanon, and now, they're crying because Israel hit back.

Hezbollah is the aggressor, here, and any "unity" behind their bad idea is nothing more than a lemming mentality, marching nose to asshole to their own mass self destruction.

There would be no terrorists if there was a united arab federation. They would probably be one of the most powerful economic state. The basic cause of terrorism is poverty and lack of education. American policies are the fuel.

However the US would never let this happen. The arabs would be controlling the world econmoy with the oil they have. I would seriously like to see a lose federation of Arab nations emerging soon. They have commom interests, and a common religion. Israel would be crushed once all muslim nations (including Iran and Pakistan) join in. The only way America can ensure a soverign Israeli state is by using the divide and rule theory. That was the whole purpose of breaking the Ottomon empire after WW2.

And clearly, what they have done in Iraq is divide arabs further by installing another puppet government in the region. Iran and Syria are the only "free" states that still pose a threat to Israel.

And I would never support a democracy in Arabia. Firstly people still support clans and religious leaders which they follow blindly. Secondly, poverty means votes can be bought. And Third and perhaps the most important reason is the the lack of education makes it easy for people to be manipulated. The Arabs are NOT clever enough yet (the majority of the population) to chose a leader that will actually benifit them in the long term. Its ridiculous in my view that America thinks that the same people that can be brainwashed to blowing themselves up can vote for their own leader. (See what happened with Hamas). I agree with Putin when he says a democracy like in America can not work in most parts of the world.

The only good that comes from small states is more autonomy for the Kings and often self proclaimed leaders which equals to more money for their own pockets.

Peace and prosperty can only be bought to the ME if a united federation of Arab states is created. With large ecomnic zones created (EU, US, China and India with more than a billion people each), it is imperative that the arabs settle their internal differences and join into an economic based Union.
 
Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Originally posted by: Harvey
Aimster -- I hope you have a link to confirm your post.
Originally posted by: The Green Bean
sad day for arabia...Unity is the only solution for their problems.
Bullsh8! Assuming Aimster's post is confirmed, it's great to know there are some thinking minds among Arab leaders.

There's enough wrong on all sides in the middle east, but in this case, Hezbollah struck first by kidnapping Israelis and firing rockets into Israeli territory from Lebanon, and now, they're crying because Israel hit back.

Hezbollah is the aggressor, here, and any "unity" behind their bad idea is nothing more than a lemming mentality, marching nose to asshole to their own mass self destruction.

There would be no terrorists if there was a united arab federation. They would probably be one of the most powerful economic state. The basic cause of terrorism is poverty and lack of education. American policies are the fuel.

However the US would never let this happen. The arabs would be controlling the world econmoy with the oil they have. I would seriously like to see a lose federation of Arab nations emerging soon. They have commom interests, and a common religion. Israel would be crushed once all muslim nations (including Iran and Pakistan) join in. The only way America can ensure a soverign Israeli state is by using the divide and rule theory. That was the whole purpose of breaking the Ottomon empire after WW2.

And clearly, what they have done in Iraq is divide arabs further by installing another puppet government in the region. Iran and Syria are the only "free" states that still pose a threat to Israel.

And I would never support a democracy in Arabia. Firstly people still support clans and religious leaders which they follow blindly. Secondly, poverty means votes can be bought. And Third and perhaps the most important reason is the the lack of education makes it easy for people to be manipulated. The Arabs are NOT clever enough yet (the majority of the population) to chose a leader that will actually benifit them in the long term. Its ridiculous in my view that America thinks that the same people that can be brainwashed to blowing themselves up can vote for their own leader. (See what happened with Hamas). I agree with Putin when he says a democracy like in America can not work in most parts of the world.

The only good that comes from small states is more autonomy for the Kings and often self proclaimed leaders which equals to more money for their own pockets.

Peace and prosperty can only be bought to the ME if a united federation of Arab states is created. With large ecomnic zones created (EU, US, China and India with more than a billion people each), it is imperative that the arabs settle their internal differences and join into an economic based Union.

I think thier biggest problem is that like so many parts of the world, instead of taking responsability for thier own actions. They continue to blame the US and Isreal for thier own uncontrolled barbarism, corruption, and generations old hatred and mistrust of anything or anybody that is not a carbon copy of themselves.
Muslims cannot even stop killing each other how can they learn to get along with the rest of the world. The Sunni/ shia fued has been going on forever.
 
Originally posted by: The Green Bean
There would be no terrorists if there was a united arab federation. They would probably be one of the most powerful economic state. The basic cause of terrorism is poverty and lack of education. American policies are the fuel.

Nonsense

The cause of their poverty and lack of education is their islamic culture.

As far as uniting, good luck with that. The Sunni and Shia think each think the other is an infidel and should be killed.

Originally posted by: The Green Bean
However the US would never let this happen. The arabs would be controlling the world econmoy with the oil they have

:disgust: Forgetting about all the oil from Asia (Russia), North America, Northern Europe, South America etc etc. Not even close to half our (USA) oil comes from these countries. It's about 20-25%.

There's more to a strong economy than the production of one, limited, commodity anyway.

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

They have commom interests, and a common religion.

Huh? See above remarks about Sunni & Shia

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

The Arabs are NOT clever enough yet (the majority of the population) to chose a leader that will actually benifit them in the long term. Its ridiculous in my view that America thinks that the same people that can be brainwashed to blowing themselves up can vote for their own leader

So, you're of the opinion that the vast majority of Arabs are radical (suicide bombers), thus can't handle "voting"? Interesting, most people here think the suicide-bombing radicals are a minority, while most other Arabs are normal intelligent peace-loving people.

Fern
 
If all the Arab nations were to come together and form one big unified country this is how the country would look on paper:

Algeria
Total GDP: $237 billion
Literacy Rate: 70%
Population: 32,531,853

Bahrain
Total GDP: 14.08 billion
Literacy Rate: 89%
Population: 688,345

Comoros
Total GDP: $441 million
Literacy Rate: 56.5
Population: 671,247

Djibouti
Total GDP: $619 million
Literacy Rate: 68%
Population: 476,703

Egypt
Total GDP: $337.9 billion
Literacy Rate: 58%
Population: 77,505,756

Jordan
Total GDP: $27.7 billion
Literacy Rate: 92%
Population: 5,759,732

Kuwait
Total GDP: $51.62 billion
Literacy Rate: 84%
Population: 2,335,648

Lebanon
Total GDP: $19.49 billion
Literacy Rate: 88%
Population: 3,826,018

Libya
Total GDP: $48.19 billion
Literacy Rate: 83%
Population: 5,765,563

Mauritania
Total GDP: $6.185 billion
Literacy Rate: 42%
Population: 3,086,859

Morocco
Total GDP: $139.5 billion
Literacy Rate: 52%
Population: 32,725,847

Oman
Total GDP: $40.14 billion
Literacy Rate: 76%
Population: 3,001,583

Qatar
Total GDP: $22.47 billion
Literacy Rate: 89%
Population: 863,051

Saudi Arabia
Total GDP: $340.5 billion
Literacy Rate: 79%
Population: 26,417,599

Somalia
Total GDP: $4.825 billion
Literacy Rate: 38%
Population: 8,591,629

Sudan
Total GDP: $85.46 billion
Literacy Rate: 61%
Population: 40,187,486

Syria
Total GDP: $63.86 billion
Literacy Rate: 77%
Population: 18,448,752

Tunisia
Total GDP: $76.91 billion
Literacy Rate: 74%
Population: 10,074,951

Yemen
Total GDP: $17.2 billion
Literacy Rate: 50%
Population: 20,727,063

U.A.E
Total GDP: $74.51 billion
Literacy Rate: 78%
Population: 3,500,000
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Total GDP 1,608.6 Billion
Literacy Rate 60.3%
Total Population 297 Million
Percent of Muslim population - Arab Less than 15%
Percent of World population - Arab 5%


(Iraq is not calculated)
Compare the data of the largest/strongest Arab nations to the weakest (usually unheard of) Arab nations.
 
The Comoros an Arabic nation? They do speak Arabic (among other languages), but they are not Arabs. And Somalia? The Sudan? When did they become Arabic nations too? Aimster, you have to check your sources, man.
 
Originally posted by: fornax
The Comoros an Arabic nation? They do speak Arabic (among other languages), but they are not Arabs. And Somalia? The Sudan? When did they become Arabic nations too? Aimster, you have to check your sources, man.

All those nations are part of the Arab League of states.
 
Originally posted by: Fern


Nonsense

The cause of their poverty and lack of education is their islamic culture.

As far as uniting, good luck with that. The Sunni and Shia think each think the other is an infidel and should be killed.

Islamic culture is superior to Western culture.

Originally posted by: Fern
:disgust: Forgetting about all the oil from Asia (Russia), North America, Northern Europe, South America etc etc. Not even close to half our (USA) oil comes from these countries. It's about 20-25%.

There's more to a strong economy than the production of one, limited, commodity anyway.

The world econmy and its pace would be controlled by this federation since they would have the maximum say in oil prices. Eventually, they would actually have an industrialized economy. No US/Isreali bombs and inter trade would build it up. Infact, with trade embargoes, the only way poorer countries can sell their products to themselves. Its easier to sell to 300million people than to 3million.
Originally posted by: Fern

Huh? See above remarks about Sunni & Shia

Only power hungry leaders feel that way. Islamic culture condemns inter fighting. you should look up into Islamic history. Power Corrupts. And until they don't get leaders that genuinely care for their people rather than for their own gains, you can not have unity or democracy.

And democracy is not even a true choice of the people. Al Gore had more votes. And besides, most Americans do not even support Bush and his policies. How is that in anyway a rule of the people?

Originally posted by: Fern

So, you're of the opinion that the vast majority of Arabs are radical (suicide bombers), thus can't handle "voting"? Interesting, most people here think the suicide-bombing radicals are a minority, while most other Arabs are normal intelligent peace-loving people.

Fern

Suicide bombers and the ability to get manipulated are different concepts. You look at a society as a whole not individuals. Unless a heirchy sub-caste like system is not abolished, voting can not be a possiblitiy. Nobody wants a democracy like that of Iraq or Afghanistan that the US is imposing on its people. I can guarentee that more people care for security, food, water, and electricity over policitcal rights. I'd rather live China than in Iraq.

TGB

 
Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Islamic culture is superior to Western culture.

Yeah, that's why Aimster's list above evidences a whopping 60.3% literacy rate......I suppose it all depends how you look at things I guess. Islamic culture is superior to Western culture when it comes to keeping the population ignorant and unproductive.
 
Originally posted by: Corn
Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Islamic culture is superior to Western culture.

Yeah, that's why Aimster's list above evidences a whopping 60.3% literacy rate......I suppose it all depends how you look at things I guess.

Islamic culture is superior to Western culture when it comes to keeping the population ignorant and unproductive.

We're catching up quickly though.

By design of course.
 
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Islamic culture is superior to Western culture.

Really? In what way?

In most. Lets start with society. We don't have 13 year old girls getting pregnant. http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=38&threadid=1889435
We don't send our parents off to Nursing homes. We care for them. We care for people. For us, its not just about "hitting it"

Arabic literature is superior. Take the Quran as an example. If you know arabic no english literature comes close its its eloquence. Arabic language is superior to english.

Etiqutte and manners. I need'nt say much.

Love of Peace and Prosperity. This argument will get nowhere though. The terrorists misrepresent Islamic values and principals. However, Americans and Israelis openly condone bombing of innocent civilians.

Equality and brotherhood. There is a greater sense of brotherhood in Islam than any other culture. The true values of Islam teach Equality, charity, unity and brotherhood.








 
Originally posted by: Corn
Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Islamic culture is superior to Western culture.

Yeah, that's why Aimster's list above evidences a whopping 60.3% literacy rate......I suppose it all depends how you look at things I guess. Islamic culture is superior to Western culture when it comes to keeping the population ignorant and unproductive.

Literacy and education are two different things. Most current so called islamists deny people the right to education. Women are more oppressed. Literacy is just a means to read and right. Education is to understand and think. If they were to educate people, the greedy self proclaimed leaders of "Islam", would lose their power and the easy way to make money. The leaders of today's "Islamic states" do not represent the true values of Islam.
 
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