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Apple: The Kindle Fire will drive more people to iPads

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http://www.droid-life.com/2011/11/0...-kindle-fire-will-help-apple-sell-more-ipads/

If you ask me, Android fragmentation is so last year. But Apple keeps hammering away at it as a way to knock against Google’s operating system, even as Android’s market share keeps growing. The latest news out of Apple’s camp is that Amazon’s upcoming Kindle Fire is actually going to drive more people away from Android due to fragmentation and that will help iPad sales.

I think we have beaten the concept that “too much Android is bad for Android” enough, but to some people it still seems to be a problem. Personally, I think the Fire is going to sell like crazy and if this tablet does make a dent in iPad sales, Apple is going to have a pretty big foot to pull out of their mouths. Does anyone think that this tablet alone could make headway against the iPad? Or does the Fire really contribute to fragmentation?
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Shrug, iPad devices are going to sell well solely on that Apple logo on the back, nothing else actually matters. Thought the fragmentation issue was buried a few years ago, when it turned out to be completely meaningless.
 
The Fire is going to take over most of the Android tablet market, and will be either the #1 or #2 tablet in sales -- it's too soon to tell whether it can overtake the iPad, but the e-ink Kindles were Amazon's best selling item for a long time.

The only things keeping the Fire from making a clean sweep of the Android market instead of it just becoming the best seller are the size (some will want 10") and the lack of cameras and mic for skype and similar. That, and if it isn't rooted then tinkerers will want other brands.

Why it will dominate Android tablets:
- Price
- Quality & brand recognition
- Free Prime videos
- Amazon stores - kindle, music, video
- Amazon Cloud player for all of your purchased media (and for $20/year you can upload your entire music library, including iTunes non-DRM'd songs)
 
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The latest news out of Apple’s camp is that Amazon’s upcoming Kindle Fire is actually going to drive more people away from Android due to fragmentation and that will help iPad sales.
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Apple logic.

"Fragmentation" is a thing, I guess, but it's not a thing that matters to anyone except forum dick-measurers. No one is going to be on the verge of buying a Fire and say "wait, Android is too fragmented, I had better spend more than double for an iPad instead."

That sentence doesn't even make any sense at all. It's not even a bad argument... it isn't an argument at all. I'm sure Apple will sell an assload of iPads, probably more than all other tablets combined, but it won't be "due to fragmentation."
 
DaveSimmons said:
The Fire is going to take over most of the Android tablet market, and will be either the #1 or #2 tablet in sales -- it's too soon to tell whether it can overtake the iPad, but the e-ink Kindles were Amazon's best selling item for a long time.

The only things keeping the Fire from making a clean sweep of the Android market instead of it just becoming the best seller are the size (some will want 10") and the lack of cameras and mic for skype and similar. That, and if it isn't rooted then tinkerers will want other brands.
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Its going to sell well, but not completely sweep the Android tablet market.

Why it will dominate Android tablets:
- Price
- Quality & brand recognition
- Free Prime videos
- Amazon stores - kindle, music, video
- Amazon Cloud player for all of your purchased media (and for $20/year you can upload your entire music library, including iTunes non-DRM'd songs)
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Price is the Fire's biggest advantage, but it really doesn't have much else going for it. Amazon's Appstore has been a joke and a dismal failure, and their Cloud services won't be the only game in town, as Google and Apple have those same services, and their brand names are just as recognizable as Amazon's.
 
For regular people, the fact that the Kindle Fire comes "With Google" is a good thing. They don't know about versions of Android or fragmentation. All they know is that this one product is stamped with a lot of brands that they like (Amazon, Google, Hollywood, Vanity Fair, the music industry/Lady Gaga, that Angry Bird), so it seems like a smaller risk than some random Android tablet.

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I mean look at the page for it:

http://www.amazon.com/Kindle-Fire-Am.../dp/B0051VVOB2

All about consumption. Isn't even trying Apple's game of showing more productive uses. This is a toy, and it is going to be a VERY successful one.
 
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I don't get why people compare the Kindle Fire to the iPad.
They are not in the same class.
Compare the Kindle Fire to the Kindle or Nook.
 
If Apple were really that confident, they wouldnt feel the need to talk.

(Queue apple defense team in 3..2..1..)
 
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Android fragmentation is the result of giving the user a variety choices. In Apple-world, their limited choices is a "feature"
 
shortylickens said:
If Apple were really that confident, they wouldnt feel the need to talk shit.

(Queue apple defense team in 3..2..1..)
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Shrug, they've watched Android completely destroy their market share on the phone side, and are petrified of it doing the same in the tablet world. Hence all their litigation for stupid crap.
 
Munky said:
Android fragmentation is the result of giving the user a variety choices. In Apple-world, their limited choices is a "feature"
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To be fair thats kinda true. They put out well made product and platform and ecosystem by being structured. Even though they are limited they have the biggest app world with the least amount of garbage. In fact Android has been trying to go with a stricter system so things arent so messy and there isnt so much garbage.
 
No doubt that Apple is quaking in their boots at the prospect of an affordable tablet that WILL sell like hotcakes.

This is a Steve Balmer moment for Apple.
 
Amazon doesn't even try to sell the Fire as a Android device. You know how many times the word "android" is mentioned in the product description? Once and only indirectly by mentioning "Amazon Appstore for Android".

I don't get why people compare the Kindle Fire to the iPad.
They are not in the same class.
Compare the Kindle Fire to the Kindle or Nook.
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I am pretty sure Apple is the one who compared the Fire to iPad. Waaaa fragmentation Waaaaaaaa. Fragmentation just KILLED PCs over the past 20 years didn't it?
 
Apple has been like this since it was created, I have been reading "Steve Jobs" by Walter Isaacson and it's funny how this Android vs iOS is eerily similar to the Windows vs Apple thing going on in the 80s/90s.

All in all, when Android takes off it will probably control 80%-90% of the tablet and phone market but there will always be place for Apple regardless of what market it is(PCs/Tablets/Phones etc.)
 
Android tablet makers will struggle to make any money at all, beating the crap out of each other, while Apple continues to rake in the profits. Sure, if they want they could make and sell a 7" tablet with decent specs @$200-250, but what would be the point? Apple is yielding that segment of the market, it just isn't worth it to them.
 
Bateluer said:
Shrug, they've watched Android completely destroy their market share on the phone side, and are petrified of it doing the same in the tablet world. Hence all their litigation for stupid crap.
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When pretty much everyone is growing at nearly 100% year over year, market share is somewhat worthless. If Android didn't exist, Apple would have a larger market share, but it's unlikely that they would have sold a significantly larger number of phones.
 
MagickMan said:
Android tablet makers will struggle to make any money at all, beating the crap out of each other, while Apple continues to rake in the profits. Sure, if they want they could make and sell a 7" tablet with decent specs @$200-250, but what would be the point? Apple is yielding that segment of the market, it just isn't worth it to them.
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Most tablets only cost ~200 to make to begin with, depending on the size/quality of the screen and the amount of internal storage. Apple makes bank on the iPad because they build it for 200-250 and sell it to for 500 and up. Asus, Moto, Samsung can't do what Amazon and B&N are doing, using content sales to offset the minimal profit made per unit sold. Its hardly a new business model, consoles have been doing it for years, with great success. Most of the time.
 
I'm gonna stick with my theory that Apple will continue hold a smaller market share in the "necessity" market (smartphones, computers) while continuing to dominate the market sectors that can be classified as toys (tablets, mp3 players).

The fact is that people with enough disposable income to buy the "toys" tend to gravitate towards Apple products because they are perceived as status symbols. On the other hand, the "necessities" (I'm well aware you can live a happy, fruitful life without a computer or smartphone, but come on, look at everybody...) are owned by a much higher percentage of people, and people are much more apt to choose a cheaper (but just as effective) product in these categories.
 
prism said:
I'm gonna stick with my theory that Apple will continue hold a smaller market share in the "necessity" market (smartphones, computers) while continuing to dominate the market sectors that can be classified as toys (tablets, mp3 players).

The fact is that people with enough disposable income to buy the "toys" tend to gravitate towards Apple products because they are perceived as status symbols. On the other hand, the "necessities" (I'm well aware you can live a happy, fruitful life without a computer or smartphone, but come on, look at everybody...) are owned by a much higher percentage of people, and people are much more apt to choose a cheaper (but just as effective) product in these categories.
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And which group drives the ecosystem?
(Hint: The one with more money)
 
Patranus said:
And which group drives the ecosystem?
(Hint: The one with more money)
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Which group drives the developer support? The one that controls the marketshare.

Apple's App Store started out of the gates strong and its continued success rests on the ability of Apple to sell lots and lots of iOS devices. But if Android controls double or triple the marketshare, developers will code for Android first.

That's what happened with Mac vs. PC in the 80s/90s.
 
Fragmentation meaningless? Come again? Fragmentation is a huge issue on Android. You can say it's not an issue, but if we didn't split 500 devs amongst 500 devices, we'd have really solid ROMs.
 
DLeRium said:
Fragmentation meaningless? Come again? Fragmentation is a huge issue on Android. You can say it's not an issue, but if we didn't split 500 devs amongst 500 devices, we'd have really solid ROMs.
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And how does that directly affect sales? Do you think potential customers will cite "Android is fragmented" as a reason for getting an iPad over a Kindle Fire? The closest possible reason to that is "the Apple App Store is better," but that's something that might push people away from a more similarly priced 10" Android tablet to an iPad. People looking at the $200 Fire are not going to all of a sudden jump all the way to a $500 iPad because of fragmentation or any secondary effect that fragmentation may have.
 
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