Apple Outrages Users By Automatically Installing U2's Album On Their Devices

[unokitty]

You would be perfectly fine if that caused you to go over an ISP data cap that cost you a fair chunk of money?

Or filled up your SSD meaning you couldn't even boot up your PC?

Are you arguing that you have no responsibility to securely configure your own devices?

And that when you fail to secure your own device, and it gets compromised, its not your fault?

Interesting.

Uno

 

[Veliko]

Are you arguing that you have no responsibility to securely configure your own devices?

And that when you fail to secure your own device, and it gets compromised, its not your fault?

Interesting.

Sorry, what? Your reply doesn't make any sense in the context of the discussion.

 

[unokitty]

You would be perfectly fine if that caused you to go over an ISP data cap that cost you a fair chunk of money?

Or filled up your SSD meaning you couldn't even boot up your PC?

Sorry, what? Your reply doesn't make any sense in the context of the discussion.

Sure it does.

You are arguing that you have a right to configure your device so that an entity, Apple in this case, can do something that you don't like. (In your words, fill up your SSD...)

My point is that if you leave your device unsecured, its inconsistent to complain when someone takes advantage of you and then claim that its not your fault.

If you want to configure your device so that its vulnerable, that's your right. But complaining when someone (Apple in this case.) takes advantage of it, seems inconsistent.

Its not Apple's fault that you configured your device insecurely. Its not Apple's fault that you trusted them.

You are welcome to be disappointed with Apple's actions. But its not Apple's fault that you didn't secure your device.

Uno

 

[Veliko]

Sure it does.

You are arguing that you have a right to configure your device so that an entity, Apple in this case, can do something that you don't like. (In your words, fill up your SSD...)

My point is that if you leave your device unsecured, its inconsistent to complain when someone takes advantage of you and then claim that its not your fault.

If you want to configure your device so that its vulnerable, that's your right. But complaining when someone (Apple in this case.) takes advantage of it, seems inconsistent.

Its not Apple's fault that you configured your device insecurely. Its not Apple's fault that you trusted them.

You are welcome to be disappointed with Apple's actions. But its not Apple's fault that you didn't secure your device.

Device is unsecured? What on earth are you on about?

Your point is a nonsense.

 

[unokitty]

Device is unsecured? What on earth are you on about?

Your point is a nonsense.

Point is simple and accurate.

If you configure your device, to allow other entities, Apple in this case, to do things that you don't approve of to your device, that is your prerogative.

Nonetheless, it is also your prerogative to configure your device in a secure manner so that Apple can't do those things that you don't like.

Your choice.

Take responsibility for configuring your devices or continue playing the victim card.

Uno

 

[Veliko]

Point is simple and accurate.

If you configure your device, to allow other entities, Apple in this case, to do things that you don't approve of to your device, that is your prerogative.

Nonetheless, it is also your prerogative to configure your device in a secure manner so that Apple can't do those things that you don't like.

Your choice.

Take responsibility for configuring your devices or continue playing the victim card.

Again, your point is a nonsense and is the kind of thing that intellectually insecure Linux users come out with.

There are numerous 'entities' that could quite easily do things that I don't approve of, yet that doesn't mean it's my fault if they go ahead and do them.

Your ISP could send a load of garbage down the pipe and your bank or your insurance company could quite easily screw things for you if they wanted.

 

[unokitty]

Again, your point is a nonsense and is the kind of thing that intellectually insecure Linux users come out with.

There are numerous 'entities' that could quite easily do things that I don't approve of, yet that doesn't mean it's my fault if they go ahead and do them.

Your ISP could send a load of garbage down the pipe and your bank or your insurance company could quite easily screw things for you if they wanted.

You, like Apple's other helpless victims, have my sympathy.

There, feel better?

Uno

 

[Veliko]

You, like Apple's other helpless victims, have my sympathy.

There, feel better?

You're socially awkward and feel the need to vent your insecurities on the Internet.

I laugh at you.

 

[RampantAndroid]

Holy shit Batman! How is this my fault or how am I trolling? This non-idiot, non-Apple user is simply explaining to the idiot, Apple users how this works.

Except you aren't. As I've pointed out and you've failed to respond, the language is clear. It says PURCHASES. Apple adding content to an account is not a purchase.

 

[Vic]

U2? Well, this is an outrage.

 

[xBiffx]

Except you aren't. As I've pointed out and you've failed to respond, the language is clear. It says PURCHASES. Apple adding content to an account is not a purchase.

Terms of service state content, not purchases. Such as books, music, and apps/updates. Many apps are free, no purchase requires hence the content language. I've pointed this out multiple times to no avail.

 

[Ronstang]

HAHAHA...I just went to the iTunes store to get this FREE album only to find out some loser in Singapore was using my email address as his ID....I changed the password and the email address so now this clown is going to have fun!!

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

HAHAHA...I just went to the iTunes store to get this FREE album only to find out some loser in Singapore was using my email address as his ID....I changed the password and the email address so now this clown is going to have fun!!

Do you get his apps and stuff too?

 

[Ronstang]

Do you get his apps and stuff too?

I'm not a crook so I never thought about that....don't have a stupid iPhone anyway. I just basically shut him completely out of his account. He shouldn't have used my email.

 

[RampantAndroid]

Terms of service state content, not purchases. Such as books, music, and apps/updates. Many apps are free, no purchase requires hence the content language. I've pointed this out multiple times to no avail.

Yes, you copied some of the ToS out. All that the ToS stated is that if you flip the switch, it'll download it. The further clarification is below the set of switches - and you even posted the screengrab here. It clearly says purchases, and clarifies purchases in parenthesis to say "including free" meaning "free purchases".


For a brief interlude, let's define purchase:

pur·chase
verb
1.
acquire (something) by paying for it; buy.
"Mr. Gill spotted the manuscript at a local auction and purchased it for $1,500"
synonyms: buy, pay for, acquire, obtain, pick up, snap up, take, procure; More
antonyms: sell
archaic
obtain or achieve with effort or suffering.
"the victory was purchased by the death of Rhiwallon"

noun
noun: purchase; plural noun: purchases
1.
the action of buying something.
"the large number of videos currently available for purchase"
a thing that has been bought.
"she stowed her purchases in the car"
LAW
the acquisition of property by means other than inheritance.
synonyms: acquisition, buy, investment, order, bargain; More
archaic
the annual rent or return from land.

It's either a verb for buying something, or as a noun it refers to the action of buying something. I left the legal definition in there because, more or less what Apple did with the U2 album is made me INHERIT it. In other words, what Apple did is NOT a purchase on my part, and the switch to auto download music specifically says it'll only download purchases.


The ONLY situation in where the music should have been auto-downloaded on my phone is if I, on another device, went to the U2 album and hit "buy for $12.99" or "Buy for free".


Quit being so obtuse.

 

[unokitty]

You're socially awkward and feel the need to vent your insecurities on the Internet.

I laugh at you.

Interesting the way some people project feelings about themselves onto other people. Isn't it?

You would be perfectly fine if that caused you to go over an ISP data cap that cost you a fair chunk of money?
Or filled up your SSD meaning you couldn't even boot up your PC?

In a different post, you mentioned that:

... Your ISP could send a load of garbage down the pipe and your bank or your insurance company could quite easily screw things for you if they wanted.

idk, I thought someone as fearful as you warranted sympathy.

You've demonstrated that insults are your way responding to anyone thinks differently than you. Understandable why you would be fearful of ISPs, banks, insurance companies and/or Apple Computer.

Best of luck with that...

Uno

 

[Veliko]

Oooh, more passive-aggressive tactics!

 

[xBiffx]

Yes, you copied some of the ToS out. All that the ToS stated is that if you flip the switch, it'll download it. The further clarification is below the set of switches - and you even posted the screengrab here. It clearly says purchases, and clarifies purchases in parenthesis to say "including free" meaning "free purchases".


For a brief interlude, let's define purchase:


It's either a verb for buying something, or as a noun it refers to the action of buying something. I left the legal definition in there because, more or less what Apple did with the U2 album is made me INHERIT it. In other words, what Apple did is NOT a purchase on my part, and the switch to auto download music specifically says it'll only download purchases.


The ONLY situation in where the music should have been auto-downloaded on my phone is if I, on another device, went to the U2 album and hit "buy for $12.99" or "Buy for free".


Quit being so obtuse.

The word purchase is clearly differentiated from content in the terms and conditions. I know what purchase means, I'm guess so does Apple.

You're going off on purchases when its not all about purchases. Terms and conditions say its about content. That is different than purchases. Purchases is definitely a subset of content, but that doesn't make them the same thing.

Again, updates aren't purchases either but they behave exactly like the U2 album as far as automatic downloading goes. Same with free apps that you've previously acquired. Why do you continue to keep ignoring that fact.

 

[werepossum]

So, according to xbiffx, the agreement means that if Apple wanted to, they could say, "hey, all these songs by all these garage bands are free. Let's push all those songs out to every single iPhone user who opted for auto-download of their purchases."

Am I reading his opinion correctly? I can't tell if he's trolling or stupid. It's akin to a grocery store offering customers, "would you like the kid bagging your groceries to automatically take them out to your car," then deciding, "hey, let's give away free groceries! We'll have to get a bunch of cars towed to our parking lot so the bagger can take those groceries out to them."

lol I like that analogy.

Not only that but 50 GBs in brand new tier 1/2 games. A lot of people hate U2 but they are still a very popular band and were going to sell a lot (for 2014) of copies of their album. I wouldn't mind Steam auto-downloading brand new games even if it weren't the types of games I normally play.

But you probably wouldn't be so copacetic if you had no control over when they were downloaded and at some times, the download itself would cost you money.

Yeah, but that's the risk I take will telling someone they can download anything from a certain place automatically. Either I live with that choice, or I whine about it as if its the end of the civilized world as we know it.

It's not like I won't know whats going on, if I pay attention. But that's the problem with Apple folk. Zombies aren't really good at having cognitive skills, the whole mindless thing and all.

The setting is to automatically download purchases. By definition, you have control over what you purchase; if automatically downloading it right then would add roaming charges, you are free to change the setting or to simply make your purchase at another time. If Apple decides to purchase something on your behalf, the setting does something you could not anticipate.

EDIT: I'm assuming here that RampantAndroid is correct about the terminology; not having an iPhone I don't really know, I'm going by the terminology on my iPad. So I'll modify my above comments to be contingent on the setting specifically saying "purchases" rather than "content". If you are correct, then I withdraw my objections and Apple users got that which they selected.

 

[RampantAndroid]

Again, updates aren't purchases either but they behave exactly like the U2 album as far as automatic downloading goes.

Yes, they aren't purchases. They're also drive by a DIFFERENT setting. There is an App setting, for which purchases will be included. There is a separate update setting.


The TOS you quoted simply stated how the system worked with regards to push. The UI states it's purchases that will be downloaded. This is what the user sees when they turn it on. If someone wanted to sue apple for over-data costs saying they forced content on to their phone, the court would side AGAINST apple because the UI string is very clear.


You don't know what you're talking about. That's all there is to it. And there's no convincing you - you're set on being as dense as possible.

 

[RampantAndroid]

The setting is to automatically download purchases. By definition, you have control over what you purchase; if automatically downloading it right then would add roaming charges, you are free to change the setting or to simply make your purchase at another time. If Apple decides to purchase something on your behalf, the setting does something you could not anticipate.

EDIT: I'm assuming here that RampantAndroid is correct about the terminology; not having an iPhone I don't really know, I'm going by the terminology on my iPad. So I'll modify my above comments to be contingent on the setting specifically saying "purchases" rather than "content". If you are correct, then I withdraw my objections and Apple users got that which they selected.

Biff uploaded a screenshot of the iPhone's UI

The point you make is the exact one I'm making: Apple has made a purchase for the user, in essence...which isn't OK.

If this were steam, and there was an "auto download my purchases that can be installed on this system regardless of where I purchased them" and then Steam gave me a free game, I would hope it was NOT downloaded...especially since there we're talking about hard disk space as well as people who may very well be on capped plans - and games are gigabytes in size (titanfall is what, 50GB?)

 

[werepossum]

Biff uploaded a screenshot of the iPhone's UI

The point you make is the exact one I'm making: Apple has made a purchase for the user, in essence...which isn't OK.

If this were steam, and there was an "auto download my purchases that can be installed on this system regardless of where I purchased them" and then Steam gave me a free game, I would hope it was NOT downloaded...especially since there we're talking about hard disk space as well as people who may very well be on capped plans - and games are gigabytes in size (titanfall is what, 50GB?)

Agreed. Apple making a purchase for the user would be fine if it required redeeming, just not fine whenever Apple feels like it. Then Apple is imposing a potential cost along with a free product which may or may not have any value to the phone owner, as art is quite subjective. Hopefully iPhone owners have learned to disable all automatic downloads in case Apple decides to do them another favor.

This has to be the most stupid promotional expense of the year, if not the new century.

 

[xBiffx]

The setting is to automatically download purchases. By definition, you have control over what you purchase; if automatically downloading it right then would add roaming charges, you are free to change the setting or to simply make your purchase at another time. If Apple decides to purchase something on your behalf, the setting does something you could not anticipate.

Where again do updates fit in? They are part of that setting, no purchase required. So that one liner isn't the end all, be all. That's why there are terms and conditions. If you read that, its quite clear what is covered under automatic downloads.

 

[xBiffx]

Biff uploaded a screenshot of the iPhone's UI

The point you make is the exact one I'm making: Apple has made a purchase for the user, in essence...which isn't OK.

If this were steam, and there was an "auto download my purchases that can be installed on this system regardless of where I purchased them" and then Steam gave me a free game, I would hope it was NOT downloaded...especially since there we're talking about hard disk space as well as people who may very well be on capped plans - and games are gigabytes in size (titanfall is what, 50GB?)

STOP CONFLATING INSTALL WITH DOWNLOAD. My steam games download automatically, all the time. Why, because I elected them to.

 

[xBiffx]

Yes, they aren't purchases. They're also drive by a DIFFERENT setting. There is an App setting, for which purchases will be included. There is a separate update setting.


The TOS you quoted simply stated how the system worked with regards to push. The UI states it's purchases that will be downloaded. This is what the user sees when they turn it on. If someone wanted to sue apple for over-data costs saying they forced content on to their phone, the court would side AGAINST apple because the UI string is very clear.


You don't know what you're talking about. That's all there is to it. And there's no convincing you - you're set on being as dense as possible.

ROFL, I'm guessing you have no idea what you are talking about, considering this is all past tense. Apple did it, and guess what, no one is getting sued over it. Just whiny, bitching Apple customers like yourself want to claim this is the end of the world and the sky is falling. The horror, the horror!!!

Apple sucks, get over it.