Apple confirms September 10th iPhone event

[Ns1]

I think the finger sensor can be a large turning point as well. It may not seem like much right now, but eliminating the need for people to memorize passphrases or long passwords is great. Not only will it replace the passcode to unlock the phone, it seems to also allow access to your Apple ID. Believe it or not, lowering the convenience barrier for buying apps and in-app purchases will help devs.

and while Apple may not be the first to do it, I'll bet they'll be the first to make it popular.

 

[JAG87]

Ok and what was innovative about the 5? It like the 5s are simply evolutionary and predictable. 120 FPS? Nice. Already done by Samsung. Faster CPU? Who gives a shit, more people will never notice on the majority of apps they are using. The finger print scanner is the only interesting thing about this phone and that was done on laptops years back. It makes more sense on a phone.

There were no "holy crap" moments with this and not because it was leaked but because it is boring.

Don't be ridiculous, unlike the 5S, the 5 was a huge upgrade.

-bigger display and better colors
-lighter
-thinner
-sapphire camera lens (the lens scratching was a huge issue with the 4/4S)
-lightning connector (imo much better than the old 30pin)
-HD voice
-LTE
-5ghz wifi

Do you want me to continue?

 

[smackababy]

I love people complaining about megapixels... I am sure all these professional iPhone photographers are going to be so upset it doesn't have a 1000 megapixel camera! Phone cameras have notoriously bad sensors and the megapixels don't mean a thing. If you want better photos, but a better camera. A DSLR isn't that expensive.

I could claim this 5s isn't innovative, but that would only show I am either trolling or didn't check the presentation. The 64-bit processor alone is innovative enough.

And Apple isn't known for the innovation, at least not after the Apple II. They are known for taking what people are doing, and doing it much better.

 

[cronos]

The ultra pixel thing is actually a pretty good innovation.

Wait.. did I say ultra pixel? 🙂

Anyway, I'm excited about iOS7 and can't wait for all the goodies in it!

 

[Ns1]

http://www.theverge.com/2013/9/10/4376296/apple-iphone-5s-5c-everything-you-need-to-know

 

[Kaido]

I'm sure most people know the difference between a machine doing exactly as you tell it to and a person spying on you without your permission.

How many restraining orders have you had against you to date?

Sorry, that wasn't pointed at you, I was just having fun rewording the quote in light of the recent Snowden leaks :biggrin:

 

[Ns1]

honestly, coming from a 4s, the camera is enough to do it.

I don't give a fuck about megapixel count, I want awesome low light photos from a phone.

 

[blackened23]

honestly, coming from a 4s, the camera is enough to do it.

I don't give a fuck about megapixel count, I want awesome low light photos from a phone.

The 4 is also crazy slow compared to even the vanilla 5.

 

[Kaido]

honestly, coming from a 4s, the camera is enough to do it.

I don't give a care about megapixel count, I want awesome low light photos from a phone.

Yeah, I'm curious to see if it has the purple flare. My buddy just bought a 5 a few weeks ago and it still has the purple flare. No go for me until they fix that!

 

[Anubis]

a lot more people must use a passcode to unlock their phone then i thought with all the talk about the FP scanner. i hope it works well because every one ive used on pretty much any device be it stand alone on on a comp has been 100% crap

 

[Subyman]

I haven't been an upgrade critic in the past, but a lot of people I know have switched from the iPhone to the Samsung Galaxy S4...gorgeous 5" screen, huge 13MP camera that takes really nice photos, NFC, 2GB RAM, etc. So I've seen a lot of those floating around, and one of my coworkers just got the S4 active, which is water-resistant. Boy would THAT be handy! So I think a lot of people are feeling left out with all of these Android upgrades...and then Apple comes out with a gold 5 with 110% more fingerprint sensor. So, it's kinda meh.

And the surprising thing is, I'm seeing a lot of hardcore Apple fans switching to the Galaxy & other types of Android phones. Like, people who I thought would never switch ever. Personally I like the iOS platform since it just gets out of your way with no fuss, but it's hard not to get jealous from a waterproof phone or a phone with a huge 5" AMOLED screen & 13-megapixel camera, you know?

I agree. It is kind of hard because Apple enjoys the best development environment. Continuing to provide a great development experience requires slow changes to critical features such as screen size. This is one reason why we typically see better apps on iOS. Apple could easily make the screen physically larger while retaining the same pixel count, but that would lower PPI. Scaling the number of pixels by a power of two again and only increasing the screen size by 20-30% to match Android devices would put the PPI through the roof, so they are stuck in a hard spot.

For me, iOS is enough for me to stay with Apple for the time being. I've also had great luck with my iPhone 4. It looks the exact same as the day I bought it, which is hard to say for most electronics. I have a Nexus 7 and Nexus 4 for dev purposes and have never cared for the OS.

As for the camera, a 3264x2448 resolution image comes from the 8megapixel iPhone. That's enough for a 11"x8" photo at 300dpi or WAY too big for facebook photos haha. I don't know many "professional" photographers that rely on their phone to snap important pictures. For any phone user, 8megapixels is plenty especially considering the lens size. I believe Anand did a great article a few months back showing some Android phones couldn't even physically resolve enough data with their lens to justify the megapixel rating.

If I had the option, I'd set it to 8megapixel to save space any how 🙂

 

[ultimatebob]

64bit, Fingerprint sensor, is that not innovation?

Both of those technologies have been around for more than a decade. I guess that putting them in a phone is somewhat innovative, but nothing revolutionary.

Although nobody was really expecting it, I think that we were all secretly hoping for something brand new like an Apple iWatch or the mythical Apple TV that Steve Jobs talked about in his autobiography.

Also, I'd imagine that it will be a long time before you see any real benefit from a 64 bit processor in a phone. Most PC/Mac applications still do not need access to more than 4 GB of memory, let alone anything in the mobile space right now.

 

[Kaido]

I agree. It is kind of hard because Apple enjoys the best development environment. Continuing to provide a great development experience requires slow changes to critical features such as screen size. This is one reason why we typically see better apps on iOS. Apple could easily make the screen physically larger while retaining the same pixel count, but that would lower PPI. Scaling the number of pixels by a power of two again and only increasing the screen size by 20-30% to match Android devices would put the PPI through the roof, so they are stuck in a hard spot.

For me, iOS is enough for me to stay with Apple for the time being. I've also had great luck with my iPhone 4. It looks the exact same as the day I bought it, which is hard to say for most electronics. I have a Nexus 7 and Nexus 4 for dev purposes and have never cared for the OS.

As for the camera, a 3264x2448 resolution image comes from the 8megapixel iPhone. That's enough for a 11"x8" photo at 300dpi or WAY too big for facebook photos haha. I don't know many "professional" photographers that rely on their phone to snap important pictures. For any phone user, 8megapixels is plenty especially considering the lens size. I believe Anand did a great article a few months back showing some Android phones couldn't even physically resolve enough data with their lens to justify the megapixel rating.

If I had the option, I'd set it to 8megapixel to save space any how 🙂

I'm actually pretty happy with the 4S's camera, I'm just peeved they took away 60FPS from the slow motion camera & from Filmic Pro. I used that a lot 🙁

I don't really care about the new flash since I never really use flash. And yeah, I hear you on the megapixels - it look a lot longer to save an image in Camera+ on the 5 than it did on the 4S.

 

[Subyman]

and while Apple may not be the first to do it, I'll bet they'll be the first to make it popular.

First to do it right most likely. I had a finger print sensor on a windows laptop many years ago but it required special software and I couldn't use it for core functionality only to get past the lock screen on boot up. With phones, I see the lock screen countless times per day, so its a better use for the tech. Making purchases with a finger print has me a little apprehensive, but if it works then I'm all for it.

 

[Eug]

Dammit! I just dropped my Android phone, onto cement. 🙁 The gods must really want me to get an iPhone. The metal casing now has a small dent in it. At least the screen (and the touch sensor) are still perfect. The dent just dropped my resale value at least $25 though I think. 😡

 

[Aikouka]

a lot more people must use a passcode to unlock their phone then i thought with all the talk about the FP scanner. i hope it works well because every one ive used on pretty much any device be it stand alone on on a comp has been 100% crap

Anand and Brian put up a video where they tried it out. It seemed to only take about a second from the screen turning on (via pressing the home button, so the finger was in place) to it unlocking.

 

[Subyman]

I don't really care about the new flash since I never really use flash. And yeah, I hear you on the megapixels - it look a lot longer to save an image in Camera+ on the 5 than it did on the 4S.

I'm with you on the flash. I never take pictures that need flash. The only thing a phone LED flash could possibly saturate with enough even light would be a Hot Wheels in a light box 🙂

 

[zaydq]

Very unimpressed with the recent development. I was hoping to be convinced to drop Android for iOS again. All the new features are of 0 value to me and would therefore render the 5S/5C equivalent to the original 5, of which i sold.

The biggest letdown is the fact that the display hasn't changed in resolution... my guess would be for developers and apps being able to function out of the box but we're in the age of 1080p displays with 720p being a fair standard.

 

[Red Storm]

Anand and Brian put up a video where they tried it out. It seemed to only take about a second from the screen turning on (via pressing the home button, so the finger was in place) to it unlocking.

After it failed on him once. After a couple more instances of that happening I don't think a normal user would stick with fingerprint unlock. It's not even faster than pattern unlock, and it seems like it would be more difficult to accomplish while on the go.

 

[Eug]

After it failed on him once. After a couple more instances of that happening I don't think a normal user would stick with fingerprint unlock. It's not even faster than pattern unlock, and it seems like it would be more difficult to accomplish while on the go.

Well, that sucks. We'll see if it gets better in real life, but I'm afraid it won't.

What I'm most curious about now are:

1. Does the 5C have an ambient light sensor? (I think probably.)
2. Does the 5S have 2 GB RAM? (I think probably not.)

 

[MrX8503]

I haven't been an upgrade critic in the past, but a lot of people I know have switched from the iPhone to the Samsung Galaxy S4...gorgeous 5" screen, huge 13MP camera that takes really nice photos, NFC, 2GB RAM, etc. So I've seen a lot of those floating around, and one of my coworkers just got the S4 active, which is water-resistant. Boy would THAT be handy! So I think a lot of people are feeling left out with all of these Android upgrades...and then Apple comes out with a gold 5 with 110% more fingerprint sensor. So, it's kinda meh.

And the surprising thing is, I'm seeing a lot of hardcore Apple fans switching to the Galaxy & other types of Android phones. Like, people who I thought would never switch ever. Personally I like the iOS platform since it just gets out of your way with no fuss, but it's hard not to get jealous from a waterproof phone or a phone with a huge 5" AMOLED screen & 13-megapixel camera, you know?

- S4 has bigger screen, but quality wise its the same as the 5.
- People still harp on Megapixels? The S4 takes nice photos, but I bet the 5S will do better.
- NFC? uh crickets. No one uses this.
- 2GB RAM? Is that why the S4 still stutters?

 

[Subyman]

After it failed on him once. After a couple more instances of that happening I don't think a normal user would stick with fingerprint unlock. It's not even faster than pattern unlock, and it seems like it would be more difficult to accomplish while on the go.

? Are you talking about when he was programming it? She was telling him to move his finger around but he kept lifting it and retouching. The time when he unlocked it after it was programmed worked fine. It was much, much faster than inputting a passcode.

 

[Red Storm]

? Are you talking about when he was programming it? She was telling him to move his finger around but he kept lifting it and retouching. The time when he unlocked it after it was programmed worked fine. It was much, much faster than inputting a passcode.

Watch AT's hands on video. 3:40 it fails at the lock screen on first attempt.

Passcode unlock is ridiculously slow. I'm talking about pattern unlock (i.e. connect the dots in a pre-specified order).

 

[Subyman]

Watch AT's hands on video. 3:40 it fails at the lock screen on first attempt.

Passcode unlock is ridiculously slow. I'm talking about pattern unlock (i.e. connect the dots in a pre-specified order).

Hmmm, seems like he didn't click something right. She instructed him to click and then it worked. I guess we will know more soon enough now that all the tech bloggers have had some time with it.

 

[slashbinslashbash]

I'm surprised they didn't implement something like using different fingers to go into different apps. Seems like a natural use of the technology. Kind of like how you can do a normal swipe to unlock, or a vertical swipe to go straight to the camera, I would like to maybe do thumbs and pointer fingers for straight unlock; middle fingers for camera; right ring finger for stocks; right pinky for <<Insert App Here>>, etc.