AP: Afghanistan civilian death count likely in mid-hundreds, not thousands like others have suggested

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...but authorities have not calculated Afghanistan's civilian death toll in the war on terrorism, and the dimension of this tragedy is not fully known. Although estimates have placed the civilian dead in the thousands, a review by The Associated Press suggests the toll may be in the mid-hundreds, a figure reached by examining hospital records, visiting bomb sites and interviewing eyewitnesses and officials.

The number of confirmed deaths will surely rise as more exhaustive tallies are compiled by independent bodies. Neither the U.S. nor the Afghan government is attempting to tally the civilian dead, but two Afghan nongovernmental groups are undertaking a count. The New York-based group Human Rights Watch also plans a study.

One factor contributing to inflated estimates was the distortion of casualty reports by the Taliban regime. Afghan journalists have told AP that Taliban officials systematically doctored reports of civilian deaths to push their estimate to 1,500 in the first three weeks of the war in an attempt to galvanize opposition to the bombing.

"Our chief was from the Taliban. His deputy from the Taliban. The information minister was from the Taliban," said one journalist, Mohammed Ismail. "We could not do our jobs. We could not tell the truth."

In the course of the air war, the U.S. military has several times owned up to errors that killed civilians, but the Pentagon (news - web sites) stressed repeatedly that they were never deliberately targeted.


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In the course of the air assault, every major Afghan city was targeted ? Kabul, with its population of 1.2 million; the Taliban stronghold of Kandahar in the south; Herat in the west; Mazar-e-Sharif in the north; Jalalabad in the east ? as well as large swaths of rugged countryside where bin Laden and his lieutenants might have been hiding.

AP reporters visited these areas during the course of the war and gathered data on civilian casualties. Their reporting and other reliable counts ? by no means complete ? in the months since then suggest a civilian death toll ranging from 500 to 600.




 

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LOL I LOVE IT!! :D

Although estimates have placed the civilian dead in the thousands, a review by The Associated Press suggests the toll may be in the mid-hundreds, a figure reached by examining hospital records, visiting bomb sites and interviewing eyewitnesses and officials.

WHAT? You mean they actually went INTO Afganistan and didn't listen to the Taliban for their numbers like OTHERS did? *looks at Czar* :D

One factor contributing to inflated estimates was the distortion of casualty reports by the Taliban regime. Afghan journalists have told AP that Taliban officials systematically doctored reports of civilian deaths to push their estimate to 1,500 in the first three weeks of the war in an attempt to galvanize opposition to the bombing.

"Our chief was from the Taliban. His deputy from the Taliban. The information minister was from the Taliban," said one journalist, Mohammed Ismail. "We could not do our jobs. We could not tell the truth."

LOL This is why crazy little liberals in Europe and the US who quote Taliban sources shouldn't be trusted ;)
 

Texmaster

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<< You actually believe that tripe? >>



What makes you think otherwise?

These people were actually IN Afganistan, not sitting in Europe and the US basing their numbers off Taliban sources.
 
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I posted this article yesterday, and only a few people bothered to reply. The same thing happened when I posted a article a while ago about a speech Arafat gave in which he said that he was willing to sacrifice 72 Palestinians for every Israeli.
 

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<< I posted this article yesterday, and only a few people bothered to reply. The same thing happened when I posted a article a while ago about a speech Arafat gave in which he said that he was willing to sacrifice 72 Palestinians for every Israeli. >>




Sorry Vespasian! I didn't see it or I would have replied! :D
 

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<< I posted this article yesterday, and only a few people bothered to reply. The same thing happened when I posted a article a while ago about a speech Arafat gave in which he said that he was willing to sacrifice 72 Palestinians for every Israeli. >>



I saw the first one but I missed that Arafat speech...
 

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<< When people are presented with facts, they run and hide. It's just so typical. >>



Don't insult your own intelligence. You are that gullible that you think its true, regardless? And you believe it, just because the man told you so? More specifically, you are basing these "facts" of yours on the most credible news source in the world. Yahoo.


-So, you want me to believe that the operations in Afghanistan.. The bombing that put the USA into a missile shortage only raked in the mid hundreds for collateral damage?
 

glenn1

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<< And you believe it, just because the man told you so? >>



"The man" ? WTF are you going on about?



<< -So, you want me to believe that the operations in Afghanistan.. The bombing that put the USA into a missile shortage only raked in the mid hundreds for collateral damage? >>



I don't think we'll ever know the precise number. I don't see why the other estimates of several thousand civilian casualties are necessarily any more to be held as more accurate than the AP estimate of several hundred. And as always, the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle.
 

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Vesp, I remeber that Arafat thread. There was a big uproar in our schul about it, however I was so surprised that the mainstream media gave it almost no press. Sharon makes one little remark about Arafat and it is everywehere, but Arafat says somthing 72 times worse and the media doesn't bat an eyelash.
 

glenn1

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<< There was a big uproar in our schul about it >>



Please tell me that you know that schul is actually spelled "school". Please restore my faith in the American education system just a little bit ;)
 

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<< When people are presented with facts, they run and hide. It's just so typical. >>



It really is.

Where are all the blind Liberal believers who just accepted the article because it made Bush and America look bad?

Here is Czar's pathetic article and he just believed it BLINDLY as did the rest of Liberals so hell bent on making Bush and America look bad they will believe ANY figures even ones from the Taliban.


Lets see the little liberals who posted in there BLINDLY believing the garbage Czar Linked To:

Czar
Elledan (ok so the first two were no surprise)
kami
Einz
novon
Chubs
TripleJ
Phokus
d1abolic
xyyz



Every one of these Morons BLINDLY believed the numbers.

You ought to be ashamed of yourselves for having that little independent thought.


And I didn't count people who were open minded enough to be liberal about the loss of life but not be stupid enough to believe Taliban resources.


My favorite line from that thread comes from the liberal brainwashed kami Texmaster, yeah it's an estimate but I am willing to bet it is reasonably close.

OOPS! LOL


Now my prediction here is that When the Liberals see their name they will IMMEDIATLY attack me personally instead of addressing the subject at hand and their own mistakes.

Lets see if I'm right. :)

 

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dude, schul as in synagogue. Glenn please restore my faith in others' knowledge of different faiths :)
 

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<< Don't insult your own intelligence. You are that gullible that you think its true, regardless? And you believe it, just because the man told you so? More specifically, you are basing these "facts" of yours on the most credible news source in the world. Yahoo >>



So lets see my choices are:
1. An economics professor who did his research via the internet.
2. The Taliban controlled newspaper Al Jazera
3. The AP who actually has people in country.

I'll take what's behind door #3 Monty.
 

glenn1

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<< dude, schul as in synagogue. Glenn please restore my faith in others' knowledge of different faiths :) >>



My apologies... this ignorant little white boy thought you were speaking of our halls of education, not the house of the Lord :)
 

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<< dude, schul as in synagogue. Glenn please restore my faith in others' knowledge of different faiths :) >>



My apologies... this ignorant little white boy thought you were speaking of our halls of education, not the house of the Lord :)
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lol WELL SAID!
 

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<< I'll take what's behind door #3 Monty. >>


lol.

yep phuz, we killed millions of em over there. it'll be decades before they finish counting bodies; maybe you could go on over and give em a hand.