AP: Afghanistan civilian death count likely in mid-hundreds, not thousands like others have suggested

[Phuz]

<< yep phuz, we killed millions of em over there. it'll be decades before they finish counting bodies; maybe you could go on over and give em a hand.
>>




What did I do to deserve that? I've found that I share some of your views in certain arguements, but that was just anal.

 

[StormRider]

Hey, I think I was the first one who posted this!

Everyone ignores me!

 

[Texmaster]

<< Hey, I think I was the first one who posted this!

Everyone ignores me! >>



Aw Storm. Sorry dude didn't see it before.

 

[Texmaster]

<< well, in my opinion, that is a couple hundred too many >>




Thats all well and good tweak but can you name ANY war between two countries that had LESS civilian casualities?

The US should be commended not condemned for that low of a number.

 

[bigdog1218]

<< The US should be commended not condemned for that low of a number. >>



are you serious, the US should be commended for killing innocent people, i can't believe that you think its ok to kill people just to fight for your cause, those 500-600 deaths are deaths that could have been avoided, commended what a joke, i guess just because they aren't american they are expendable

 

[Capn]

"are you serious, the US should be commended for killing innocent people, i can't believe that you think its ok to kill people just to fight for your cause, those 500-600 deaths are deaths that could have been avoided, commended what a joke, i guess just because they aren't american they are expendable "

So tell me, what is your detailed plan to eliminate all civilian casualties? Please don't keep this information to yourself because I'm sure the military would like to know how your plan of removing the taliban regime would've worked better and with fewer civilian losses.

Looking at the tonnage dropped on afghanistan I'd say that with the number of civilian deaths that somebody is trying very hard to limit innocent deaths.

 

[Texmaster]

<<

<< The US should be commended not condemned for that low of a number. >>



are you serious, the US should be commended for killing innocent people, i can't believe that you think its ok to kill people just to fight for your cause, those 500-600 deaths are deaths that could have been avoided, commended what a joke, i guess just because they aren't american they are expendable >>



ITS WAR YOU MORON. People DIE in WAR. I'm saying the US should be COMMENDED for keeping the civilian tally so LOW.

Are you really this stupid?

Explain to us all here how they could have been avioded. I can't WAIT for this one.

 

[ToBeMe]

<<

<< The US should be commended not condemned for that low of a number. >>



are you serious, the US should be commended for killing innocent people, i can't believe that you think its ok to kill people just to fight for your cause, those 500-600 deaths are deaths that could have been avoided, commended what a joke, i guess just because they aren't american they are expendable >>


Let me guess.............never been in the military and have no concept of war do you?????

No, killing innocent civilians is NOT "OK", but, it is also inevitable in any military conflict. Did the people whom rammed the jets into buildings on 9/11 worry about civilian deaths??? Of course not! At least, we try very hard to avoid them in all possibly ways! Have you any clue as to how many civilians died in WWII???? Or Korea........or Vietnam?????? I didn't think so..............

 

[Czar]

Well sorry for me not noticing this thread before now.

I surely hope this is the real number than the 3000 number. As with those numbers these are just estimates, I´v read estimates that range from 10 to 5000, we can only know for sure how many civilians died whan the on site aid groups finish their count. Then we will have a number that is closest to the truth and that will be number written down in history books.

great article btw.


( looks like the old Texmaster is back

)

 

[UltraQuiet]

<< are you serious, the US should be commended for killing innocent people, i can't believe that you think its ok to kill people just to fight for your cause, those 500-600 deaths are deaths that could have been avoided, commended what a joke, i guess just because they aren't american they are expendable >>


The loss of almost any life is of course tragic. The military has tried extremely hard to limit the collateral damage in Afghanistan. I wonder though how many people the Taliban and Al Queda would have killed in the same period of time had we not intervened in Afghanistan. Although we will never actually know, I think an educated guess based on track record would say the number would have been greater. The hand wringers need to sign themselves up for a reality check and some clue training.

 

[Czar]

The US should neither be condemned or commended for the civilian deaths in Afghanistan. They should be reviewed as a tradegy resulting from the war and they should never be forgotten.

 

[Texmaster]

<< Well sorry for me not noticing this thread before now.

I surely hope this is the real number than the 3000 number. As with those numbers these are just estimates, I´v read estimates that range from 10 to 5000, we can only know for sure how many civilians died whan the on site aid groups finish their count. Then we will have a number that is closest to the truth and that will be number written down in history books.

great article btw.


( looks like the old Texmaster is back

) >>



Texmaster is always here. There is no old or new. You screw up, I'll let you know, you do something right, I'll let you know.

 

[bigdog1218]

<< ITS WAR YOU MORON. People DIE in WAR. I'm saying the US should be COMMENDED for keeping the civilian tally so LOW. >>



i'm the moron



<< Are you really this stupid? >>



am i stupid




<< Explain to us all here how they could have been avioded. I can't WAIT for this one. >>



are you ready for this one you absolute piece of sh!t, what if we were never there, oh my god what an idea, what if we never attacked afghanistan, holy sh!t i can't believe it, those people would be alive, now before you say, we have to stop terrorism and get revenge for the people that were killed, and all the rest of the bullsh!t you talk about all over these boards, why the fvck shouldn't these afghani people get revenge for the people that we killed, tell me that a$$, why shouldn't they come over here and kill a bunch of Americans, why not, if the piece of sh!t american gov't is allowed to do it why aren't they, i want you to give me a real reason, lets hear some more bull out of your mouth

 

[Texmaster]

<< The US should neither be condemned or commended for the civilian deaths in Afghanistan. They should be reviewed as a tradegy resulting from the war and they should never be forgotten. >>



Let me get this straight Czar, the US has found a way to wage war with the SMALLEST amount of civilian deaths in HISTORY and thats not commendable?

 

[Texmaster]

<< i'm the moron >>



Agreed.



<< am i stupid >>



Yes.



<< are you ready for this one you absolute piece of sh!t, what if we were never there, oh my god what an idea, what if we never attacked afghanistan, holy sh!t i can't believe it, those people would be alive, now before you say, we have to stop terrorism and get revenge for the people that were killed, and all the rest of the bullsh!t you talk about all over these boards, why the fvck shouldn't these afghani people get revenge for the people that we killed, tell me that a$$, why shouldn't they come over here and kill a bunch of Americans, why not, if the piece of sh!t american gov't is allowed to do it why aren't they, i want you to give me a real reason, lets hear some more bull out of your mouth >>



I was wrong. You are FAR dumber than I ever thought possible.

First off, you haven't provided a SINGLE alternative to stop the terrorism than the action taken. Why? Becuase you don't have one.

And you ask why they should'nt be allowed to take revenge on the US for the WAR? Do I have to remind you who took the FIRST SHOT? September 11th ring a bell you IDIOT? And that wasn't even the first shot. There have been hundreds killed before that in terrorists attacks from people in Afganistan.

We didn't attack these people. THEY ATTACKED US. We are stopping organized terrorism from continuing against the US. Do you really hate America that much to just dismiss the September 11th attacks YOU MORON?

 

[UltraQuiet]

<< are you ready for this one you absolute piece of sh!t, what if we were never there, oh my god what an idea, what if we never attacked afghanistan, holy sh!t i can't believe it, those people would be alive, now before you say, we have to stop terrorism and get revenge for the people that were killed, and all the rest of the bullsh!t you talk about all over these boards, why the fvck shouldn't these afghani people get revenge for the people that we killed, tell me that a$$, why shouldn't they come over here and kill a bunch of Americans, why not, if the piece of sh!t american gov't is allowed to do it why aren't they, i want you to give me a real reason, lets hear some more bull out of your mouth >>


Aren't 10 year olds supposed to be in school this time of day? Turn on your profile so we can "see" who you are. If you are older than 10 then you win the award for being the most ignorant person alive. Now back to you Tex...

 

[ToBeMe]

<<

<< ITS WAR YOU MORON. People DIE in WAR. I'm saying the US should be COMMENDED for keeping the civilian tally so LOW. >>



i'm the moron



<< Are you really this stupid? >>



am i stupid




<< Explain to us all here how they could have been avioded. I can't WAIT for this one. >>



are you ready for this one you absolute piece of sh!t, what if we were never there, oh my god what an idea, what if we never attacked afghanistan, holy sh!t i can't believe it, those people would be alive, now before you say, we have to stop terrorism and get revenge for the people that were killed, and all the rest of the bullsh!t you talk about all over these boards, why the fvck shouldn't these afghani people get revenge for the people that we killed, tell me that a$$, why shouldn't they come over here and kill a bunch of Americans, why not, if the piece of sh!t american gov't is allowed to do it why aren't they, i want you to give me a real reason, lets hear some more bull out of your mouth >>


Oh I see..............so the correct way to handle a group of terrorists whom kill thousands of people in our country and are based in another would be to do nothing then correct???? Or maybe we should have just sat down with them and discussed things after they said clearly that their intent was to kill as many Americans as they could, wherever they could, no matter what!!!! Did we purposely target civilians????? NO............. What exactly would your recommondation have been????? Appeasment???? Well here's a clue........the same group has acted many times before against U.S. or Western intrests, and guess what.........each time they give different reasons so how exactly do you "appease" a group which has no direct, clear reasoning for wanting to wipe you out and the only thing that is similar is the message saying they want to kill Americans!?!?

 

[rudder]

well, in my opinion, that is a couple hundred too many

That is true, however, those casualties of the U.S. bombing are a fraction of the killings the taliban has done to the Afghani population.

 

[Jzero]

<< are you ready for this one you absolute piece of sh!t, what if we were never there, oh my god what an idea, what if we never attacked afghanistan, holy sh!t i can't believe it, those people would be alive, now before you say, we have to stop terrorism and get revenge for the people that were killed, and all the rest of the bullsh!t you talk about all over these boards, why the fvck shouldn't these afghani people get revenge for the people that we killed, tell me that a$$, why shouldn't they come over here and kill a bunch of Americans, why not, if the piece of sh!t american gov't is allowed to do it why aren't they, i want you to give me a real reason, lets hear some more bull out of your mouth >>



Whoa....uhh...

Whoa.
You shouldn't let Texmaster get you like that....
Anyway, I can't understand much of your post, but it seems as if you're insinuating that the attack on Afghanistan was an unprovoked, unilateral action and that since we killed a few hundred civilians (that were probably being used as human shields ANYWAY) that they should be allowed to make a retaliatory attack on our retaliation.
Are you nuts?
I don't often agree with Texmaster, but come ON! 600 civilian casualties is NOTHING!

 

[Capn]

"Turn on your profile so we can "see" who you are. "

Agreed, no profile, no common sense, no sense of reality, no idea his fantasy land doesn't work the same as the real world, no ability to control his temper, no idea that talking like a big man on the internet really shows how much of a man you aren't, and no sense wasting anyone's time trying to deal with his inane ramblings.

 

[Texmaster]

<< Whoa.
You shouldn't let Texmaster get you like that....
Anyway, I can't understand much of your post, but it seems as if you're insinuating that the attack on Afghanistan was an unprovoked, unilateral action and that since we killed a few hundred civilians (that were probably being used as human shields ANYWAY) that they should be allowed to make a retaliatory attack on our retaliation.
Are you nuts?
I don't often agree with Texmaster, but come ON! 600 civilian casualties is NOTHING! >>



Thank you Jzero. This kid is really off the deep end on this one

 

[UltraQuiet]

<< but come ON! 600 civilian casualties is NOTHING! >>


I agree with what is being said here, but don't trivialize those deaths.

 

[Jzero]

<< I agree with what is being said here, but don't trivialize those deaths. >>


Sorry--I mean in the statistical sense 600 is nothing. On the individual scale, 600 people dead is quite tragic.

 

[bigdog1218]

i'm the idiot, are you kidding me, they took the first shot, what bunch of idiots installed that gov't in afghanistan, you know, the same gov't that gave these terrorists their training and weapons, come on you are the genius, who was it, oh yeah, the US wow, that must be such a suprise for you, considering its your own govts fault that these people hate us,

and you want an alternative to fighting terrosim, imagine if we stayed out of afghanistan, or we never gave weapons to iraq, or we never got involved in any of these middle eastern conflicts, you want to know how to stop terrorism, maybe the first step is not pissing people of so much that they resort to it, i highly doubt that bin laden hates the US because he's jealous that we are a rich country, he has more money than most people here, and i highly doubt that its because of the way we live and we aren't muslim, aren't you the same idiots that keep saying this whole jihad is just a cover,

i think bin laden just wants revenge, revenge for what the us did to him first, so a$$, we are the ones that started it, and its idiots like you that we can thank for this terrorist bullsh!t, i hope you don't work in any tall buildings or federal buildings, because since your war on terrorism isn't doing sh!t and its just time before we get attacked again

 

[Random Variable]

The Soviets killed well over a million civilians when they invaded Afghanistan in the 1980's.