Anything wrong with the phrase "Radical Jihadists"?

[HomerJS]

Yea, because it doesn't accurately identify the radicals. Radical Muslims or Radical Islamists identifies the subjects of the radicalization appropriately.

They go by the "Islamic State," not "Jihadist State." Only an idiot would refuse to call them even what they call themselves.

So you want to give into their premise? Do we also call this war a battle of civilizations?

 

[theeedude]

These arguments over nomenclature are pretty asinine.

 

[realibrad]

It is so obvious you have never gotten to know any Muslims much less understand how they view the Quran. They just like Christians are taught the 10 commandments (yes, it's in the Quran as well). These commandments make all the bad parts of the Quran and just the Bible null and void. Most Muslims could care less much of anything other than their immediate families and work to support/care for these families. They pray 5 times a day, they give to charities, and help those who are less fortunate in the neighborhood/villages were they live.

The only ones who are carrying out evil acts are those who have bastardized the words of the Quran to meet their evil goals.

Yes, I have gotten to know many Muslims. I lived in Fremont CA. Feel free to look up that city. It has the largest Afgan population in the US. I knew and was friends with Muslims. None of that should matter though.

Next, Yes, I know that the Quran shares much of the Bible and even Jewish scripture. Part of what makes the Quran so fucked up is the fact that it gets a lot of evil shit from the Torah.

But, do you believe that the Quran has evil shit in it?
If so, what are some of the ways that Muslims can ignore and now follow those things without others claiming blasphemy?

 

[BonzaiDuck]

These arguments over nomenclature are pretty asinine.

Perhaps, in certain respects.

I don't want to get tangled up in the "PC/anti-PC frenzy." It's all bull-shit, and especially the latest bull-shit about "micro-aggression." Instead, I'll agree with Obama: It's about "manners."

And I don't know exactly how true was Walter Bedell Smith's remark about propaganda having promise as a "prophylactic" to save money on war expenditures. But it does make sense that what you call something has an impact on its audience.

The Trump supporters and others don't seem to understand this. "Let's engage in free speech. If it's only free, it's good." Never mind wisdom.

It's one thing to call a spade a spade. It's another to beat your chest in a narcissistic fit and buy in to the "Crusade" theme the jihadists are pushing.

I'd prefer to call them criminally insane lunatics and 15th century misfits trying to reshape the 21st century. Then, make them the butt of your jokes so they appear to be . . . . what they are. Maybe, they'll become so apoplectic with rage, they'll just pull the pin on their grenade and blow themselves and their friends to smithereens.

 

[Blue_Max]

Say it's not so, Christians should kill people of other religions. Hmmm sound familiar???

Old testament - you're talking about Judaism there, not Christianity.

You STILL haven't answered the question regarding islam, only tried to redirect the conversation to 'evil Christians' instead.

1) Answer the damn question
2) Not a lot of Christians (or even Jews) following that verse today - are there? :hmm:

 

[mrjminer]

So you want to give into their premise? Do we also call this war a battle of civilizations?

What premise are you talking about? They clearly follow Islam, and identify themselves as following Islam. They call themselves the "Islamic State." Calling them what they clearly are in no way acknowledges they have any sort of claim to anything or any merit to what they are doing, if that's what you mean.

Battle of civilizations?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Yes, I have gotten to know many Muslims. I lived in Fremont CA. Feel free to look up that city. It has the largest Afgan population in the US. I knew and was friends with Muslims. None of that should matter though.

Next, Yes, I know that the Quran shares much of the Bible and even Jewish scripture. Part of what makes the Quran so fucked up is the fact that it gets a lot of evil shit from the Torah.

But, do you believe that the Quran has evil shit in it?
If so, what are some of the ways that Muslims can ignore and now follow those things without others claiming blasphemy?

I never said the Quran didn't have evil scriptures in it, it no different than the Old Testament when it comes to directing followers to do evil things to others. All the Muslims I know believe it's against the Quran to commit murder so following these evil scriptures directing such would be violating what is prescribed in the Quran.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

So you want to give into their premise? Do we also call this war a battle of civilizations?

Let's enumerate a bit.

There's a bunch of Sunni extremists, who subscribe to Sunni Islam, supported by former Baathists and remnants of Saddam's military. There's a bunch of young thugs in Somalia, another bunch in Mali and Nigeria. Then there's the Pashtun tribal group in Waziristan, more or less overlapping the Taliban. There's a bunch in Yemen. You might think of a few more.

But while your run-of-the-mill Trumpist might say this is a conflict between Islam and Christians, it's also grounded in Islamic factions against Israel and the Jews. When you enslave Kurds and Yazidis or Shiites, rail against "Western Education" for women, shoot up people at the theater and plot three years to kill your co-workers, it looks more like an assault on civilization.

But the end-game -- destroying civilization as we know it -- could only materialize if they somehow manage some cataclysm in such a way that it draws first-world superpowers into a mistaken conflict.

As for calling it a war against "The West," in that context and in a wider historical view, there is no major superpower or group of countries (the EU) that isn't part of "The West." China -- is now very much a "western" country, and China's transformation under communism was considered "the Triumph of the West" because Marxism and its communist offshoot is basically a western idea.

They don't manufacture their own cell-phones, laptops, Toyota trucks fitted with AA guns. But they need all that stuff -- artifacts of the civilized world.

If calling it a war against civilization makes them look as insane as they are, then call it that. I wouldn't give them the credit, though, of being an instigator of "World War III." I wouldn't even call it a "war," provided we can retake the land they've seized. I'd call it a police-action to kill, capture, incarcerate and even "medicate" the pathetic primitives that they are.

Above all else, they reject secularism and secular government. As someone said, they're deathly afraid of the modern world in those circumstances.

 

[SP33Demon]

What group has killed more people in the US since 911?

Islamic
Right wing/paramilitary


Take your time

Cumulatively, they are about the same - 45 vs 48.
http://securitydata.newamerica.net/extremists/deadly-attacks.html

Percentage wise it's muslims and it's not even close - but let's do the math just to illustrate how stupid your argument is.

45 muslim killings / 2.75 million muslims = 45/2,750,000 * 100,000 = 1.63 attacks per 100,000.

48 Right wing killings / half of the 37% of Americans who own guns = 48/(319,000,000*.37/2) =
48/59,015,000*100,000 = 0.081 attacks per 100,000 or 20X less than muslims rate of killing

Even if you did half of that or 25% of all gun owners in this country - 48/29,507,500*100,000 = 0.162 attacks per 100,000 or 10X less than muslims rate of killing.

You're not fooling anyone with this stupidity.

 

[SP33Demon]

Why don't you go read the old testament, it calls for Christians to perform many evil deeds.

Can you tell me the difference in the Prophets called out in the Bible vs thew Quran?

Yet another idiot who doesn't understand that Jesus' New Covenant invalidates the Old Testament Mosaic Law. Ignorance is bliss.

 

[SP33Demon]

Whitey...no time needed to take.

Except you're wrong. It's about even now from a body count (45 vs 48), and read my post 3 up. Muslims are killing at 10-20x the rate of even radicals in this country.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

Cumulatively, they are about the same - 45 vs 48.
http://securitydata.newamerica.net/extremists/deadly-attacks.html

Percentage wise it's muslims and it's not even close - but let's do the math just to illustrate how stupid your argument is.

45 muslim killings / 2.75 million muslims = 45/2,750,000 * 100,000 = 1.63 attacks per 100,000.

48 Right wing killings / half of the 37% of Americans who own guns = 48/(319,000,000*.37/2) =
48/59,015,000*100,000 = 0.081 attacks per 100,000 or 20X less than muslims rate of killing

Even if you did half of that or 25% of all gun owners in this country - 48/29,507,500*100,000 = 0.162 attacks per 100,000 or 10X less than muslims rate of killing.

You're not fooling anyone with this stupidity.

Well, it's a useful exercise in thought. Holmes of Aurora might have killed a lot more. Are we talking about the frequency of attacks? Or the people left dead? The SB killers left 14 dead -- same number as Charles Whitman. And if you're going to compare "Right wing" or simple lunatic attacks against Jihadist/terrorist attacks, it's useful to make the comparison here in the US. That would exclude the Paris shootings.

With 911, the plan and scope was more extensive. They killed something like 3,000+ Americans. 19 perpetrators. But -- like Charles Whitman as old history -- that was 14 years ago -- the beginning of an American Age of Terrorism. With these recent killings, means and method were all similar. So we could also start there.

 

[sandorski]

Cumulatively, they are about the same - 45 vs 48.
http://securitydata.newamerica.net/extremists/deadly-attacks.html

Percentage wise it's muslims and it's not even close - but let's do the math just to illustrate how stupid your argument is.

45 muslim killings / 2.75 million muslims = 45/2,750,000 * 100,000 = 1.63 attacks per 100,000.

48 Right wing killings / half of the 37% of Americans who own guns = 48/(319,000,000*.37/2) =
48/59,015,000*100,000 = 0.081 attacks per 100,000 or 20X less than muslims rate of killing

Even if you did half of that or 25% of all gun owners in this country - 48/29,507,500*100,000 = 0.162 attacks per 100,000 or 10X less than muslims rate of killing.

You're not fooling anyone with this stupidity.

Were the 9/11 Hijackers American Citizens?

If not, I question the premise of using this type of argument.

 

[Blue_Max]

I never said the Quran didn't have evil scriptures in it, it no different than the Old Testament when it comes to directing followers to do evil things to others. All the Muslims I know believe it's against the Quran to commit murder so following these evil scriptures directing such would be violating what is prescribed in the Quran.

So you're going to ignore everything in the quran and the fundamentalists around the world fighting to enforce their 'perfect' religion, even on each other... because the few you know personally are nice to you and feed you words you like to hear. (Might want to look up taqiyya - they're allowed, even encouraged, to lie at will if it benefits islam.)

You're not alone at least... I know coffee-shop liberal sheep types (not full college-girl liberal screaming zealots) who based their entire opinion of islam on how pretty their headscarves are.

 

[SP33Demon]

Were the 9/11 Hijackers American Citizens?

If not, I question the premise of using this type of argument.

Are you talking about someone like the Saudi wife of Syed Farook? The bottom line was that she was "vetted" and allowed into the country. It's splitting hairs to question if they were done by muslim citizens or non-citizens, they still had to legally get into the country and live here to commit their violence.

 

[MongGrel]

Yet another idiot who doesn't understand that Jesus' New Covenant invalidates the Old Testament Mosaic Law. Ignorance is bliss.

I agree.

Old testament - you're talking about Judaism there, not Christianity.

 

[realibrad]

I never said the Quran didn't have evil scriptures in it, it no different than the Old Testament when it comes to directing followers to do evil things to others. All the Muslims I know believe it's against the Quran to commit murder so following these evil scriptures directing such would be violating what is prescribed in the Quran.

Oh, so then your argument is that Christians have evil in their Bible, and dont follow it, but Muslims have evil in their Quran and follow it.

So when you said bastardize, you meant to say follow. Further, those who follow the texts are shitty people.

Did I get it right this time? The Bible and Quran are equally violent and shitty, but Christians ignore most of the shitty parts but more Muslims follow the shitty parts?

 

[realibrad]

I agree.

Its hard to understand because he clearly said he did not come to invalidate the previous laws, and then also said he was. Who knew religions said opposing things?

 

[BonzaiDuck]

I agree.

Whether it does or it doesn't, a wide swath of evangelicals quote the Old Testament as it suits them. That's why some associates of mine constantly refer to them as Bible Thumpers.

So you want to give into their premise? Do we also call this war a battle of civilizations?

It could become a "battle of civilizations" if the world Muslim population buys into the apocalyptic lunatics. But like I said, what you call things, how you word it, affects perceptions. More specifically, it affects perceptions of target populations -- the audience. I explained in my own post how the word "civilization" fits into my views of this, and of course, it's just my opinion.

 

[michal1980]

You can't reason with dumb. The bigotry and hatred for all things not exactly like him is too strong. His overactive fear center has taken complete control of his miserable life.

projecting again?

 

[michal1980]

What group has killed more people in the US since 911?

Islamic
Right wing/paramilitary


Take your time

moving goal posts again?

or just another attempt at a false equivalence. There's no unifying connection between your 'right wing' groups.

There is with radical Islam, you and the left are just to blind or stupid to see it. Its nothing to do with fear, its just accepting of the reality of the situation.

You like to make fun of people that deny climate change? Well denying Islamic terrorist is the same as denying climate change.

 

[MongGrel]

You like to make fun of people that deny climate change? Well denying Islamic terrorist is the same as denying climate change.

Who in here has ever denied there are Islamic terrorists ?

Twit.

 

[michal1980]

These arguments over nomenclature are pretty asinine.

so if they are so meaningless might as well call a spade a spade.

Islamic terrorism it is then. Thanks for settling it.

 

[michal1980]

Who in here has ever denied there are Islamic terrorists ?

Twit.

those that don't want to call it that?

Is it really that hard for you to understand?

One group, the left, wants to call these terrorists anything but Islamic terrorist. Just look at this topic its all about calling them 'radical jihadists'. Don't want to offend someone by calling them radical Muslims, or Islamic terrorists.

 

[Bitek]

Oh, so then your argument is that Christians have evil in their Bible, and dont follow it, but Muslims have evil in their Quran and follow it.

So when you said bastardize, you meant to say follow. Further, those who follow the texts are shitty people.

Did I get it right this time? The Bible and Quran are equally violent and shitty, but Christians ignore most of the shitty parts but more Muslims follow the shitty parts?

This is likely closer to the truth, but it's not that far off of what londo is saying really.

I don't understand how Christians can get on their high horse about other religions being violent when Christianity has at times had such a dark and violent impact in practice.

At this moment Islam is arguably producing the most violence, but I have no doubt Christianity could make a comeback and retake the crown.

There is nothing inherent in Christianity that will prevent barbarism, it just happens to not be practiced in that way on a large scale at this point in time.

Thankfully normal people cherry pick what they want to follow and believe in, and dismiss the rest of it as the medieval religious voodoo bullshit it actually is.