Anything wrong with the phrase "Radical Jihadists"?

[buckshot24]

It's so obvious that you have never met much less gotten to know any Muslims.

That would be wrong. The Koran is basically the problem here, not the people.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

That would be wrong. The Koran is basically the problem here, not the people.

No, the problem is with those who chose to bastardize the meaning of the Suras in the Quran.

 

[buckshot24]

No, the problem is with those who chose to bastardize the meaning of the Suras in the Quran.

What is the real meaning of the following?

"When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks, then, when you have made wide slaughter among them, tie fast the bonds; then set them free, either by grace or ransom, till the war lays down its loads. So it shall be; and if God had willed, He would have avenged Himself upon them; but that He may try some of you by means of others. And those who are slain in the way of God, He will not send their works astray. S. 47:4"

"In battle" isn't in the Arabic either. I could go on and on but I'll just stop here for now.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

What is the real meaning of the following?

"When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks, then, when you have made wide slaughter among them, tie fast the bonds; then set them free, either by grace or ransom, till the war lays down its loads. So it shall be; and if God had willed, He would have avenged Himself upon them; but that He may try some of you by means of others. And those who are slain in the way of God, He will not send their works astray. S. 47:4"

"In battle" isn't in the Arabic either. I could go on and on but I'll just stop here for now.

Why don't you go read the old testament, it calls for Christians to perform many evil deeds.

Can you tell me the difference in the Prophets called out in the Bible vs thew Quran?

 

[buckshot24]

Why don't you go read the old testament, it calls for Christians to perform many evil deeds.

Can you tell me the difference in the Prophets called out in the Bible vs thew Quran?

Now wait just a minute, you said these passages are "bastardized", what is the true meaning of this passage?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Now wait just a minute, you said these passages are "bastardized", what is the true meaning of this passage?

No, they are the same as the passages in the Old Testaments. Then again if you knew as much as you put on you would know these things. But everyone in here knows you cherry pick whatever backs up your warped view is on any subject.

Hell, come to think of it you're of the same cloth as the Jihadist.

 

[Blue_Max]

No, they are the same as the passages in the Old Testaments. Then again if you knew as much as you put on you would know these things. But everyone in here knows you cherry pick whatever backs up your warped view is on any subject.

Hell, come to think of it you're of the same cloth as the Jihadist.

Reeeally wanting to avoid the issue, eh? Your feint to call on the old testament was also a failed move. The calls to violence in the old testament exist but are exponentially fewer than the calls to violence in the quran. It's been estimated over 80% of the 'holy' book consists of what you should do with unbelieving 'kafirs'.

So stop avoiding and answer his question - what does that verse (and many others just like it) reeeeally mean?


I would advise you to pick up a quran and read it for yourself as I have.
Know what it is you're so blindly defending.

 

[1prophet]

Anything wrong with the phrase "Radical Jihadists"?

Yes you are playing a semantics game most people can see through, Jihadist is just another term commonly used for radical Muslim or Islamist.

This type of political correctness, sugarcoating a turd and telling the public they must eat it, for the last 30 years is why people like Trump who wouldn't have had a snowballs chance in hell not to long ago are so popular today.

 

[buckshot24]

No, they are the same as the passages in the Old Testaments. Then again if you knew as much as you put on you would know these things. But everyone in here knows you cherry pick whatever backs up your warped view is on any subject.

Hell, come to think of it you're of the same cloth as the Jihadist.

So you won't answer the question? You said these passages are bastardized but you won't say what the real meaning of them are, interesting. I do note how you're trying to make this about me instead of supporting your assertions. It won't work. What does this passage mean? If I believe it is telling Muslims to attack unbelievers, why am I wrong?

 

[buckshot24]

But Londo, just so we clear this up. Lets assume you're 100% right and the OT tells Christians to attack unbelievers, just for the sake of discussion. How does this in any way make the passage in the Koran, and many other ones, not mean what it seems to be saying?

Even if what you are saying is 100% true it doesn't help you. This is a bad argument.

 

[Harabec]

They are muslims who wish to kill other muslim sects for not being "true" muslim, as well as most everyone else on earth.
What's with the newspeak bullshit?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Reeeally wanting to avoid the issue, eh? Your feint to call on the old testament was also a failed move. The calls to violence in the old testament exist but are exponentially fewer than the calls to violence in the quran. It's been estimated over 80% of the 'holy' book consists of what you should do with unbelieving 'kafirs'.

So stop avoiding and answer his question - what does that verse (and many others just like it) reeeeally mean?


I would advise you to pick up a quran and read it for yourself as I have.
Know what it is you're so blindly defending.

I have read the Quran, I bet you didn't know that Muslims share the same Prophets as Christians which even include Jesus (Isa). The Quran is based on much the same stories as are told in the Bible.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Good examples of condoned killing/murder found in the Bible.
KILL, KILL, KILL

http://www.evilbible.com/Murder.htm

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Say it's not so, Christians should kill people of other religions. Hmmm sound familiar???

Kill Followers of Other Religions.
1)If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)

 

[HomerJS]

Anything wrong with the phrase "Radical Jihadists"?

Yes you are playing a semantics game most people can see through, Jihadist is just another term commonly used for radical Muslim or Islamist.

This type of political correctness, sugarcoating a turd and telling the public they must eat it, for the last 30 years is why people like Trump who wouldn't have had a snowballs chance in hell not to long ago are so popular today.

Ok so you are in charge and you go from using radical Jihadist to radical Muslim.

How does that change your drone attack strategy?
How does that change your strategy for winning the ideological war?
How does that alter the tightening up the VISA program?
How does that change the number of boots on the ground?

Here what it does.
Average nudnick associates all terrorism with Muslims. Muslim attacks are on the rise in the US now.
Isolates moderate Muslims who we absolutely need on our side to fight the war of ideology.

 

[homebrew2ny]

Just curious but whats the difference between a radical jihadist and a non radical jihadist?

 

[realibrad]

Say it's not so, Christians should kill people of other religions. Hmmm sound familiar???

So 2 differences from the Bible and the Quran. Most Christians believe the Bible is not 100% accurate. Translations and errors allow most Christians to ignore the bad parts. Its a trick so they dont have to be conflicted with the evil shit the Bible says to do.

In Islam, the Quran is perfect. You do not get to ignore the bad parts, because there are no bad parts. Anyone who tries to say that something is wrong in the Quran is taking their life into their hands if they are a Muslim.

Christians have many routes to ignore the evil shit, Muslims do not have the access to those tricks.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

So 2 differences from the Bible and the Quran. Most Christians believe the Bible is not 100% accurate. Translations and errors allow most Christians to ignore the bad parts. Its a trick so they dont have to be conflicted with the evil shit the Bible says to do.

In Islam, the Quran is perfect. You do not get to ignore the bad parts, because there are no bad parts. Anyone who tries to say that something is wrong in the Quran is taking their life into their hands if they are a Muslim.

Christians have many routes to ignore the evil shit, Muslims do not have the access to those tricks.

Actually the vast majority (98+%) of Muslims do ignore the bad parts just as Christians do. If not, there would be far more attacks on Christians throughout the world.

 

[realibrad]

Actually the vast majority (98+%) of Muslims do ignore the bad parts just as Christians do. If not, there would be far more attacks on Christians throughout the world.

So your point is now that most Muslims ignore the bad parts? I thought you said they were misunderstanding?

There are those that carry out the acts, and there those who do not act, but support the act. Do you believe that 98% of Muslims do not support the bad parts?

 

[Moonbeam]

So your point is now that most Muslims ignore the bad parts? I thought you said they were misunderstanding?

There are those that carry out the acts, and there those who do not act, but support the act. Do you believe that 98% of Muslims do not support the bad parts?

How can there be any bad parts to a religious text that is revealed by God?

All that is required, wouldn't you say, for evil to triumph, if for good people to do nothing. Part of this story I've heard is that the folk around Mohammed couldn't handle his forbearance and demanded action. It's really not very fun to watch all the people around you being butchered by terrorists so God presented them with an appropriate response. Destroy them mercilessly and without compromise until they repent. Then and then only, act like a Christian and forgive. Have you ever tried showing compassion to evil and seen what the results generally are. Perhaps you have revelations that will suggest a pretty way to deal with butchers. Think of Obama as Mohammed and the CBDs as his people. Maybe Mohammed would have used drones if they were available, but resisted the use of ground troops.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

So your point is now that most Muslims ignore the bad parts? I thought you said they were misunderstanding?

There are those that carry out the acts, and there those who do not act, but support the act. Do you believe that 98% of Muslims do not support the bad parts?

It is so obvious you have never gotten to know any Muslims much less understand how they view the Quran. They just like Christians are taught the 10 commandments (yes, it's in the Quran as well). These commandments make all the bad parts of the Quran and just the Bible null and void. Most Muslims could care less much of anything other than their immediate families and work to support/care for these families. They pray 5 times a day, they give to charities, and help those who are less fortunate in the neighborhood/villages were they live.

The only ones who are carrying out evil acts are those who have bastardized the words of the Quran to meet their evil goals.

 

[buckshot24]

Say it's not so, Christians should kill people of other religions. Hmmm sound familiar???

Those aren't general commands like we find in the Koran plus this doesn't support your assertion that some are bastardizing the Koran to say something it isn't really saying.

Here is a hint, every command given in the bible isn't a command to all people for all time. Again though, this doesn't help your assertion at all.

 

[Cozarkian]

Yes, it's redundant.

 

[mrjminer]

Yea, because it doesn't accurately identify the radicals. Radical Muslims or Radical Islamists identifies the subjects of the radicalization appropriately.

They go by the "Islamic State," not "Jihadist State." Only an idiot would refuse to call them even what they call themselves.

 

[buckshot24]

The only ones who are carrying out evil acts are those who have bastardized the words of the Quran to meet their evil goals.

So how should a good Muslim interpret those verses that command killing unbelievers? You keep saying this but won't tell us what the Koran really means.

Thankfully most Muslims don't take those commands seriously. (and the bible doesn't command any Christian to do anything like that despite your false claims).