Anything wrong with the phrase "Radical Jihadists"?

[MongGrel]

projecting again?

Looks like he is just stating a fact to me.

I doubt you really understand the meaning of the word, or at least act that way, considering the way you normally post.

 

[MongGrel]

those that don't want to call it that?

Is it really that hard for you to understand?

One group, the left, wants to call these terrorists anything but Islamic terrorist. Just look at this topic its all about calling them 'radical jihadists'. Don't want to offend someone by calling them radical Muslims, or Islamic terrorists.

I have no problem understanding you at all.

You seem inhibited that way a bit though.

The thread was whether there was anything wrong with the phrase. 6 of one, half a dozen of the other, same term.

You're the one arguing about it for no good reason it appears.

Radical Jihadist is more accurate.

If you can not accept that the problem is yours.

 

[Bitek]

those that don't want to call it that?

Is it really that hard for you to understand?

One group, the left, wants to call these terrorists anything but Islamic terrorist. Just look at this topic its all about calling them 'radical jihadists'. Don't want to offend someone by calling them radical Muslims, or Islamic terrorists.

What do you think "jihad" refers to? What's its origin?

Jihad (English pronunciation: /dʒɪˈhɑːd/; Arabic: جهاد‎ jihād [dʒiˈhæːd]) is an Islamic term referring to the religious duty of Muslims to maintain the religion. In Arabic, the word jihād is a noun meaning "to strive, to apply oneself, to struggle, to persevere".

You and your fellow conservative's point is really fucking stupid.

Why don't others say " Islamic terrorist "?

1. You are a bunch of dicks and can fuck off
2. The link to Islamic tradition is explicit already
3. Trying to avoid broadbrushing, being careful to try and not condemn the entire religion, but recognize there is a political movement within a population of the religion's followers promoting violence to further their political goals.
4. You are a bunch of dicks and can fuck off with your stupid bullshit

 

[SP33Demon]

Its hard to understand because he clearly said he did not come to invalidate the previous laws, and then also said he was. Who knew religions said opposing things?

This should help.

Now that we are under the new covenant, we are not under the penalty of the law. We are now given the opportunity to receive salvation as a free gift (Ephesians 2:8-9). Through the life-giving Holy Spirit who lives in all believers (Romans 8:9-11), we can now share in the inheritance of Christ and enjoy a permanent, unbroken relationship with God. Hebrews 9:15 declares, “For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that He has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.”

http://www.gotquestions.org/new-covenant.html

In a nutshell, all of the nastiness of the OT and Mosaic Law has been abolished by Jesus' sacrifice. We don't have to do anything to earn salvation anymore, it's a gift waiting for those who will accept God into their hearts. Muslims, on the other hand, have to do some nasty things if called upon during their "lesser" jihad (struggle against non-believers in order to defend their faith) in order to earn their salvation. Big difference, hence why you don't see Christians killing despite the fact that we have grace and could technically commit any sin we want and get a temporary "pass". The problem with even that is, if you do it enough times you would have to ask yourself if you're a Christian. If you were, then you would strive to behave in non-sinful ways because otherwise have you really opened yourself up to Jesus and his teachings? We all struggle with sin, for example one of my issues is having a hardened heart caused by ego and probably more blessings than I deserve in life.

 

[Moonbeam]

This should help.

http://www.gotquestions.org/new-covenant.html

In a nutshell, all of the nastiness of the OT and Mosaic Law has been abolished by Jesus' sacrifice. We don't have to do anything to earn salvation anymore, it's a gift waiting for those who will accept God into their hearts. Muslims, on the other hand, have to do some nasty things if called upon during their "lesser" jihad (struggle against non-believers in order to defend their faith) in order to earn their salvation. Big difference, hence why you don't see Christians killing despite the fact that we have grace and could technically commit any sin we want and get a temporary "pass". The problem with even that is, if you do it enough times you would have to ask yourself if you're a Christian. If you were, then you would strive to behave in non-sinful ways because otherwise have you really opened yourself up to Jesus and his teachings? We all struggle with sin, for example one of my issues is having a hardened heart caused by ego and probably more blessings than I deserve in life.

No, not more blessings than you deserve, more blessings than you realize and all of them you deserve. A hardened heart is also one that does not feel worthy. You are always with God and He can never leave you.

 

[runzwithsizorz]

No, not more blessings than you deserve, more blessings than you realize and all of them you deserve. A hardened heart is also one that does not feel worthy. You are always with God and He can never leave you.

Yo Moonbeam, I think you misunderstand what sp33demon was trying to say. I could be wrong, but I believe he was trying to convey humility, and thankfulness. He also is feeling a bit guilty of feeling jaded, and a bit bias. I also feel these emotions.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Oh, so then your argument is that Christians have evil in their Bible, and dont follow it, but Muslims have evil in their Quran and follow it.

So when you said bastardize, you meant to say follow. Further, those who follow the texts are shitty people.

Did I get it right this time? The Bible and Quran are equally violent and shitty, but Christians ignore most of the shitty parts but more Muslims follow the shitty parts?

No, that's not what I'm saying. Only a small percentage of Muslims are following the bastardized beliefs.

All the Muslims I know believe it's not only against the Quran to murder someone but to commit suicide as well. So they believe those who commit suicide bombings are going to hell (no made up virgins).

 

[Moonbeam]

Yo Moonbeam, I think you misunderstand what sp33demon was trying to say. I could be wrong, but I believe he was trying to convey humility, and thankfulness. He also is feeling a bit guilty of feeling jaded, and a bit bias. I also feel these emotions.

One kind of humility says I'm not worth what I have been given but that's ultimately egotistical. You are the last person on earth who should determine his or her own worth. God's endless bounty and joy and infinite love are your birthright. You were created in His image. Of what use was Christ's death on the cross if we will not accept that we have been forgiven. You want to tell somebody who died so you could be forgiven that you're not worth it?

 

[runzwithsizorz]

No, that's not what I'm saying. Only a small percentage of Muslims are following the bastardized beliefs.

All the Muslims I know believe it's not only against the Quran to murder someone but to commit suicide as well. So they believe those who commit suicide bombings are going to hell (no made up virgins).

"bastardized beliefs." ?????? The final chapter/book/marching orders in the Quran calls for the forced conversion, Taxing, and submission, or murder of all non-believers, PERIOD!!!! Are you talking about the various forms of hadith?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Really?? The final chapter (Surah) says no such thing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Nas

The surah opens with the mention of God as the Lord of mankind and teaches one to seek refuge in Him from the whisperings of Satan and those of evil jinn and people. This is another surah commonly used as an invocation against evil paired with surah Falaq (See below).

1. قُلْ أَعُوذُ بِرَبِّ النَّاسِ Say, "I seek shelter with the Lord of the mankind"
2. مَلِكِ النَّاسِ King of mankind
3. إِلَهِ النَّاسِ God of mankind
4. مِن شَرِّ الْوَسْوَاسِ الْخَنَّاسِ From the mischief of the whisperer (of Evil, the Satan or the Evil one) who hides away (after his whisper)
5. الَّذِي يُوَسْوِسُ فِي صُدُورِ النَّاسِ (the same Evil one) who whispers into the Hearts of mankind
6. مِنَ الْجِنَّةِ وَ النَّاسِ Among the jinns and the men

Sūrat al-Falaq (Arabic: سورة الفلق‎, "Dawn, Daybreak") is the 113th surah of the Qur'an. It is a brief five verse invocation, asking Allah for protection from the evil of Satan. This surah and the 114th (and last) surah in the Qur'an, an-Nas, are collectively referred to as al-Mu'awwidhatayn.
The word "al-Falaq" in the first verse, a generic term referring to the process of 'splitting', has been restricted in most translations to one particular type of splitting, namely 'daybreak' or 'dawn'.[1]
Verse 4 refers to one of soothsayer techniques to partially tie a knot, utter a curse and spit into the knot and pull it tight. In the pre-Islamic period, soothsayers claimed the power to cause various illnesses. According to soothsayers the knot had to be found and untied before the curse could be lifted. This practice is condemned in verse 4.[2]
This sura, along with the following sura, Sura 114, begins with 'I seek refuge', which is why both are referred to as al-Mu'awwidhatayn.

 

[realibrad]

No, that's not what I'm saying. Only a small percentage of Muslims are following the bastardized beliefs.

All the Muslims I know believe it's not only against the Quran to murder someone but to commit suicide as well. So they believe those who commit suicide bombings are going to hell (no made up virgins).

Does the Quran, like the Bible, have evil rules and doctrine to follow?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Does the Quran, like the Bible, have evil rules and doctrine to follow?

Why don't tell us? You seem to think you know everything. Please provide backing documents when you post your reply.

 

[Moonbeam]

Does the Quran, like the Bible, have evil rules and doctrine to follow?

What difference does it make to you? Do you love the good and hate evil, or are you just blah as your usual bowl of mush? "Golly, hate is just so strong a word. We of the mind can't hate anything"

 

[HeXen]

Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out ...

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers,

Bukhari (52:177) - ... and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.

fuck the Quran

 

[Blue_Max]

No, that's not what I'm saying. Only a small percentage of Muslims are following the bastardized beliefs.

You keep saying that despite the fact that following their prophet's very example (as he commanded them to) is NOT a bastardization - it's following his commands to the letter.

All the Muslims I know believe it's not only against the Quran to murder someone but to commit suicide as well. So they believe those who commit suicide bombings are going to hell (no made up virgins).

Taquiyya. They're lying to you to protect and promote islam. It's not only permitted, it's encouraged.

 

[Moonbeam]

Quote:
Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out ...

Quote:
Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers,

Quote:
Bukhari (52:177) - ... and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

Quote:
The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.

fuck the Quran

Who is this them .

Didn't we cast terror into the unbelievers when we nuked Japan?

And isn't the very best way to kill a Jew is when a rock tells you one is hiding behind it? All that is saying is don't kill Jews.

 

[realibrad]

Why don't tell us? You seem to think you know everything. Please provide backing documents when you post your reply.

What do you want me to tell you? Are you asking for some quotes from the books that are evil? If so, then you must have been talking out of your ass this whole time if you think there are either none, or you don't know of any.

We will start with this one, which is amazingly stupid.

When men fight with one another, and the wife of the one draws near to rescue her husband from the hand of him who is beating him, and puts out her hand and seizes him by the private parts, then you shall cut off her hand. Deuteronomy 25:11-12

Then we will go to this one.

If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die. Deuteronomy 21:18-21

Thats pretty fucking horrific right. You are can as a parent have your jackbag son stoned.

There is lots more shit in Leviticus too.

Ok, so thats the Bible. Terrible shit right?

 

[realibrad]

What difference does it make to you? Do you love the good and hate evil, or are you just blah as your usual bowl of mush? "Golly, hate is just so strong a word. We of the mind can't hate anything"

I can hate the message, and disagree with who the author is.

 

[buckshot24]

I think I've figured out what Londo means by "bastardized". This simply means reading it exactly as it is stated. The only way to read it "legitimately" is to spiritualize it.

Is that about right?

 

[Blue_Max]

There is lots more shit in Leviticus too.

Ok, so thats the Bible. Terrible shit right?

Sure is! Now show me all the Christian churches advocating for it.

Westboro Baptists come closest to that mark and, guess what? Pretty much every Christian demoniation, church and member denounce them.

So how about ditching all the desperate false equivalencies and deal with the issue directly?

 

[realibrad]

Sure is! Now show me all the Christian churches advocating for it.

Westboro Baptists come closest to that mark and, guess what? Pretty much every Christian demoniation, church and member denounce them.

So how about ditching all the desperate false equivalencies and deal with the issue directly?

Blue, I usually leave you alone and have been known to defend you when you have a good point.

You are stupid. This thread is not that long so go through is and see the argument I have been making. I'm on my phone so grabbing quotes from my posts is annoying.

Seriously, it should become very clear that I am not saying Christians are just as bad.

 

[runzwithsizorz]

What do you want me to tell you? Are you asking for some quotes from the books that are evil? If so, then you must have been talking out of your ass this whole time if you think there are either none, or you don't know of any.

We will start with this one, which is amazingly stupid.

Then we will go to this one.

Thats pretty fucking horrific right. You are can as a parent have your jackbag son stoned.

There is lots more shit in Leviticus too.

Ok, so thats the Bible. Terrible shit right?

Deuteronomy, and Leviticus are part of the Hebrew bible. The OLD testaments, and the OLD covenant.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

What do you want me to tell you? Are you asking for some quotes from the books that are evil? If so, then you must have been talking out of your ass this whole time if you think there are either none, or you don't know of any.

We will start with this one, which is amazingly stupid.

Then we will go to this one.

Thats pretty fucking horrific right. You are can as a parent have your jackbag son stoned.

There is lots more shit in Leviticus too.

Ok, so thats the Bible. Terrible shit right?

At this point I have no clue what you're asking for in this conversation. I've already said that both the Bible and Quran have evil texts in them. After all they're both based on the Torah, the Bible has such texts in the Old Testament and in the earlier chapters (Surahs) in Quran. Many scholars consider them to be in the same time frame.

Just as most Christians lead a moral life based on their holy texts, most Muslims do as well.

 

[buckshot24]

At this point I have no clue what you're asking for in this conversation. I've already said that both the Bible and Quran have evil texts in them. After all they're both based on the Torah, the Bible has such texts in the Old Testament and in the earlier chapters (Surahs) in Quran. Many scholars consider them to be in the same time frame.

Just as most Christians lead a moral life based on their holy texts, most Muslims do as well.

So you misspoke when you said anybody was "bastardizing" the text of the Koran? Now your argument is, but they do it too?

 

[realibrad]

This should help.

http://www.gotquestions.org/new-covenant.html

In a nutshell, all of the nastiness of the OT and Mosaic Law has been abolished by Jesus' sacrifice. We don't have to do anything to earn salvation anymore, it's a gift waiting for those who will accept God into their hearts. Muslims, on the other hand, have to do some nasty things if called upon during their "lesser" jihad (struggle against non-believers in order to defend their faith) in order to earn their salvation. Big difference, hence why you don't see Christians killing despite the fact that we have grace and could technically commit any sin we want and get a temporary "pass". The problem with even that is, if you do it enough times you would have to ask yourself if you're a Christian. If you were, then you would strive to behave in non-sinful ways because otherwise have you really opened yourself up to Jesus and his teachings? We all struggle with sin, for example one of my issues is having a hardened heart caused by ego and probably more blessings than I deserve in life.

Yes Yes, I know. But, he also said...

Matthew 5:17
Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.

You can see how that could be confusing right.