Anyone still smoke?

[Ruptga]

Here.

Let's say I'm a dentist. Does that help you? My profession shouldn't matter though.

None of that "helps" me because that link says nothing at all about why I should be worried about other people's teeth.

Here's the thing - you argue like a creationist. You say "X because of A and B." When pressed on why we should believe A or B (let alone both) you give us references that say "maybe B because of G, F, and H." Nothing of B is conclusively proven, and nothing is even mentioned about A, but in your own head it's all as clear as if Moroni himself had just drawn a picture for us.

That's not how logic works, it's not how proper science works, and it is how politics works but this isn't a popularity race so you're still out of luck.

 

[rsbennett00]

None of that "helps" me because that link says nothing at all about why I should be worried about other people's teeth

I don't understand. It's all about the tar in cigarettes and how it coats the teeth... ?

 

[Ruptga]

It's about tar, mostly, and teeth get a mention. There is nothing in there about tar doing anything to mouths but staining them.

This is exactly what I was just talking about in the other unquoted half of that post.

 

[Wuzup101]

I don't understand. It's all about the tar in cigarettes and how it coats the teeth... ?

This says a lot about your logic and reasoning skills lol....

 

[alzan]

What William said.

Any significant smoking in recent history is detectable, you can't lie about it.

Are smokers seriously in the dark about what it's doing to their lungs? Breathing is pretty much required. Perhaps in some strange case of double lung transplants it could be hidden, but then that person would be way too old for us to hire.

Complete bullshit. I smoked for 35 years; after viewing my completely clear chest x-ray my doctor's one remark concerning it in my medical record was "Uninteresting".

Are self-righteous assholes seriously in the dark about what their attitude says about them?

 

[Mixolydian]

This thread has put me in the mood.

*steps out to smoke*

 

[rsbennett00]

Complete bullshit. I smoked for 35 years; after viewing my completely clear chest x-ray my doctor's one remark concerning it in my medical record was "Uninteresting".

Are self-righteous assholes seriously in the dark about what their attitude says about them?

Ok, you win, I give up. Obviously all the scientists and tobacco companies that say smoking is unhealthy are lying to everyone.

 

[rsbennett00]

It's about tar, mostly, and teeth get a mention. There is nothing in there about tar doing anything to mouths but staining them.

This is exactly what I was just talking about in the other unquoted half of that post.

Ok, here, I'll quote it for you:

"In solid form, tar is also known as third-hand smoke. It is the brown, tacky substance left behind on the end of the cigarette filter. It stains a smoker's teeth and fingers brown and coats everything it touches with a brownish-yellow film."

"Tar in cigarette smoke paralyzes the cilia in the lungs, and contributes to lung diseases such as emphysema, chronic bronchitis, and lung cancer."

 

[alzan]

Ok, you win, I give up. Obviously all the scientists and tobacco companies that say smoking is unhealthy are lying to everyone.

Now I know you're a troll. I never said smoking didn't cause health problems, only that in my particular case it didn't.

Lung cancer rates are much higher among coal miners than they are among smokers. Not sure about emphysema, copd or others but I'll look for the data.

Ok, here, I'll quote it for you: "In solid form, tar is also known as third-hand smoke. It is the brown, tacky substance left behind on the end of the cigarette filter. It stains a smoker's teeth and fingers brown and coats everything it touches with a brownish-yellow film."

"Tar in cigarette smoke paralyzes the cilia in the lungs, and contributes to lung diseases such as emphysema, chronic bronchitis, and lung cancer."

So do the damaged cilla in the lungs of the smoker or the tar staining their teeth transfer to you or your co-workers when kissing the smoker? If not I really can't figure out what you're trying to say.

Also, tar contributes to emphysema, bronchitis, lung cancer and other lung diseases. What are the other contributing factors?

 

[alzan]

This thread has put me in the mood.

*steps out to smoke*

I'm about ready to join you, and I've been off cigarettes for three years.

 

[Wuzup101]

Ok, here, I'll quote it for you:

"In solid form, tar is also known as third-hand smoke. It is the brown, tacky substance left behind on the end of the cigarette filter. It stains a smoker's teeth and fingers brown and coats everything it touches with a brownish-yellow film."

"Tar in cigarette smoke paralyzes the cilia in the lungs, and contributes to lung diseases such as emphysema, chronic bronchitis, and lung cancer."

Right... And how does that hurt you the non smoker?

 

[Ruptga]

it's about tar, mostly, and teeth get a mention. There is nothing in there about tar doing anything to mouths but staining them.

This is exactly what i was just talking about in the other unquoted half of that post.

ok, here, i'll quote it for you:

"in solid form, tar is also known as third-hand smoke. It is the brown, tacky substance left behind on the end of the cigarette filter. It stains a smoker's teeth and fingers brown and coats everything it touches with a brownish-yellow film."

"tar in cigarette smoke paralyzes the cilia in the lungs, and contributes to lung diseases such as emphysema, chronic bronchitis, and lung cancer."

ಠ_ಠ

 

[rsbennett00]

I only started this thread to find out if this large of a community had a smoker in it. I wasn't expecting to find so many. I thought smokers were mostly extinct by now since I had not encountered one in quite some time, then in the last month I encountered two. None of the rest of these discussions matter. Bottom line, smoking isn't going to become healthy and we'll never allow one to work for us.

 

[Markbnj]

I don't know how you can type this with a straight face. I keep harping on it but it's mind boggling that anyone can think a smokers mouth, lungs, etc. are safe.

Haha, dude. You are a sick puppy.

Edit: ok, I read the part where you hinted at being a dentist. I don't know what it would be like to be a dentist. I'm sure you have had to stick your face in some unpleasant places. That doesn't mean you're not a freak. It just means there might be a reason for it.

 

[Wyndru]

I smoke occasionally with drinks or with family or friends. You can't rely on statistics of smokers since most people deny it anyhow. My doctor basically advised me to never admit it because it can cause issues with insurances.

So officially I don't smoke at all.

 

[Wuzup101]

Haha, dude. You are a sick puppy.

Edit: ok, I read the part where you hinted at being a dentist. I don't know what it would be like to be a dentist. I'm sure you have had to stick your face in some unpleasant places. That doesn't mean you're not a freak. It just means there might be a reason for it.

There would be no point for this thread if he were a dentist. He's fervently defended how easy it was to detect a smoker. And since a reasonable percentage of the population smokes, and his job would entail him sticking his face near their open mouth, he wouldn't have to ask if anyone still smokes... because he'd know. Also dentists have health insurance, don't work in industries that banks won't deal with, and generally don't have income streams that fluctuate yearly such that they can't afford their rent for not getting enough "gigs" (other threads that he's posted in).

My guess is porn casting / acting (because the no smoking thing would totally make sense for the actors and would fit everything else he's said - like kissing new hires).

 

[jimbob200521]

Been following this thread (and getting a few good chuckles out of it), and decided to throw in my two cents.

I used to be a smoker, smoked for 4, 5 years or so. But I tried to be a respectful smoker. If I wasn't around other smokers, I'd go outside, around a corner, step away, etc. I'm not going to force my smoking on other people. I did, however, quit smoking; been "clean" for something like 2 or 2 1/2 years now. I feel better, food tastes better, I breath easier, don't cough in the mornings, save a lot of money, yada yada yada. That being said, I'll defend someones right to smoke as much as the smoker himself. It's his damn RIGHT, his CHOICE to smoke (and poison himself).

OP: If you don't want to deal with it, you should have thought of that before you chose a job (assuming you are a dentist) where you don't spend your days with your hands in other peoples mouths. That's like being a doctor, then complaining because you get a black guys blood on you when you only really wanted to work on whites, or Asians, or Mexicans, etc. Grow up, put on gloves, a face mask, and fucking deal with it. You have shown to be a whiny, moronic guy who argues points that others haven't tried to argue (example: smoking is dangerous, no shit, Sherlock!).

I only started this thread to find out if this large of a community had a smoker in it. I wasn't expecting to find so many. I thought smokers were mostly extinct by now since I had not encountered one in quite some time, then in the last month I encountered two. None of the rest of these discussions matter. Bottom line, smoking isn't going to become healthy and we'll never allow one to work for us.

Ok, first off; NO FUCKING SHIT SMOKING ISN'T HEALTHY!! There isn't one person in this thread who has argued this point. It is not healthy, it can cause cancer, gum disease, yellow teeth, etc. People don't smoke to become marathon runners.

Second, you'll never allow "one" to work for you? Hmm...I seem to remember someone from history who talked like that.

 

[rsbennett00]

Been following this thread (and getting a few good chuckles out of it), and decided to throw in my two cents.

I used to be a smoker, smoked for 4, 5 years or so. But I tried to be a respectful smoker. If I wasn't around other smokers, I'd go outside, around a corner, step away, etc. I'm not going to force my smoking on other people. I did, however, quit smoking; been "clean" for something like 2 or 2 1/2 years now. I feel better, food tastes better, I breath easier, don't cough in the mornings, save a lot of money, yada yada yada. That being said, I'll defend someones right to smoke as much as the smoker himself. It's his damn RIGHT, his CHOICE to smoke (and poison himself).

OP: If you don't want to deal with it, you should have thought of that before you chose a job (assuming you are a dentist) where you don't spend your days with your hands in other peoples mouths. That's like being a doctor, then complaining because you get a black guys blood on you when you only really wanted to work on whites, or Asians, or Mexicans, etc. Grow up, put on gloves, a face mask, and fucking deal with it. You have shown to be a whiny, moronic guy who argues points that others haven't tried to argue (example: smoking is dangerous, no shit, Sherlock!).



Ok, first off; NO FUCKING SHIT SMOKING ISN'T HEALTHY!! There isn't one person in this thread who has argued this point. It is not healthy, it can cause cancer, gum disease, yellow teeth, etc. People don't smoke to become marathon runners.

Second, you'll never allow "one" to work for you? Hmm...I seem to remember someone from history who talked like that.

I've not said that I have an issue with them poisoning themselves, I take issue with them assaulting others.

And if you thinking smoking is the same as being black... uh, you need help.

Let's try an analogy.

Assume the following:

John is the smoker.
John has a sword.
Jane is the non-smoker.
Jane has done nothing aggressive toward John.

Then:
John stabs himself. Ok, no problem, everyone has the right to do whatever they want to their own body.
John stabs through himself and into Jane. That's assault with a deadly weapon.

 

[LegendKiller]

After seeing my dad go from ~250lb strong guy to <120lbs in the span of a year after he was diagnosed with stage 4 esophageal cancer, not even be able to drink water without throwing up, and holding him when he died, I don't understand why people still do this. He smoked for 50 years, days before he died he said it was the dumbest decision he ever made.

Just awful.

I never had a cigarette, never will.

 

[Ruptga]

bennett, just shut up already. If you were running a massive propaganda machine you could make things true by repeating them often enough, but you aren't. A polite smoker is dangerous to exactly 1 person, themself. Stop pretending/claiming that smokers assault you with their very existence the comparisons with Nazis will probably stop.

Of course I realize you're incapable of any of that, otherwise this thread would have wound down pages ago. Honestly I'm just sticking around for the neffing at this point.

 

[jimbob200521]

I've not said that I have an issue with them poisoning themselves, I take issue with them assaulting others.

And if you thinking smoking is the same as being black... uh, you need help.

Let's try an analogy.

Assume the following:

John is the smoker.
John has a sword.
Jane is the non-smoker.
Jane has done nothing aggressive toward John.

Then:
John stabs himself. Ok, no problem, everyone has the right to do whatever they want to their own body.
John stabs through himself and into Jane. That's assault with a deadly weapon.

No, that's idiocy. If Jane wasn't up Johns ass, and if Jane wasn't standing next to/behind John, she wouldn't have gotten stabbed. Therefore, Jane is the idiot for standing next to/behind John.

Point: If you don't like smoking, STAY AWAY FROM SMOKERS. It's outlawed practically everywhere to smoke in public places, so if you don't put yourself next to them, you won't be exposed to them.

And if you thinking smoking is the same as being black... uh, you need help.

YOU'RE the one who said " we'll never allow one to work for us.". How does that not sound like a discriminating, egotistical statement? I was making a point about the borderline racist statement you made, you were, well, being a douche. Nuff said.

 

[MrCassdin]

Never could smoke myself, tried it when I was a teenager, just never cared for it. I suppose I'm lucky in that regard. I think I've had maybe three cigarettes ever, and when I was a kid you could still get them in vending machines. I remember thinking, how could anyone afford this?

 

[OverVolt]

Did you guys not read the polonium thing or what.

 

[Markbnj]

There would be no point for this thread if he were a dentist. He's fervently defended how easy it was to detect a smoker. And since a reasonable percentage of the population smokes, and his job would entail him sticking his face near their open mouth, he wouldn't have to ask if anyone still smokes... because he'd know. Also dentists have health insurance, don't work in industries that banks won't deal with, and generally don't have income streams that fluctuate yearly such that they can't afford their rent for not getting enough "gigs" (other threads that he's posted in).

My guess is porn casting / acting (because the no smoking thing would totally make sense for the actors and would fit everything else he's said - like kissing new hires).

It is somehow fitting that we reach this point, in this thread, not knowing whether the OP is a dentist or a porn actor.

 

[sportage]

Smoking is so yesterday.
When smoking bans were introduced in restaurants and bars, the owners bitched about losing business to the point they would have to close. Well, it didn't happen.
Maybe a very short-term effect, but we discovered people go to restaurants to eat, not smoke.
And we discovered people go to bars to drink and socialize, not smoke.
So both bars and restaurants survived.
In fact, today they flourish.
So it just goes to show you the nonsense created around smoking bans was all bunk.

Plus, the smart people have switched to those electronic cigs.
Not only are they safer, but can actually lead to not smoking all together.

It is so typical for smokers to tell people to F-off and mind their own business.
But smoking does effect everybody.
When the smoker has their heart attack, everyone else at the company must work extra hours to fill in while moron is in the ER recovering.
THAT is one effect from smoking that involves everyone.

What gets me is after that heart attack, they go right back to smoking.
Now THAT is really insane.
And just goes to prove that tobacco should not only be illegal, tobacco is just as addictive as doing hard drugs. And just as dangerous to the health.

What gets me is all this argument over legalizing pot.
Smoking is far worse than pot.
Tobacco kills. Pot? I never heard of anyone getting cancer or death from a joint.
Im not talking synthetic pot.
Im talking pot grown in grandma's back yard.
Plus, the revenue for states from legalized pot. The end of drug wars from importing pot. And a much more mellowed out society.

But smoking? Now THAT should be treated like cocaine addiction and tobacco treated like doing hard drugs. We have so much evidence that tobacco kills. If not sooner, surely later.

And when a smoker tells the non smoker to mind their own business, well, giving up my 3 week vacation to fill in for smokey the bear recovering in the ER from his heart attack definitely does effect me, and does give me the right to tell the smoker to their face that their smoking business IS my business, and they had better knock that shit off.

So when any smoker tells you to F-off, or it is not any of their business, look them in the face and tell smokey it damn well is your business.
Then, slap that i love you out of their mouth.
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