Anyone still smoke?

[rsbennett00]

Holy fuck, I opened this thread up and was almost knocked unconscious by the cloud of retardation that escaped from it. I can't possibly bring myself to read all this, but I hope a few select things have been addressed.



Jesus god, are you eleven years old? There are so many things wrong with this simple paragraph...I am amazed you could possibly function as an independent adult on a day-to-day basis.

And yet you can't name anything wrong with what I said? I guess you are in the camp of people that doesn't thinking smoking is harmful?

Uh. That's illegal. What non-illicit things someone does on their own time is none of an employer's fucking business. Openly proclaiming that you will not employ smokers is no different than not employing people for other chosen 'disabilities,' like being fat or Christian.



So does being black.

*gasp* 'You can't say that!'

No, what you mean is...you can't study that. However, if there were workplace efficiency studies based on race, I bet a million bajillion dollars that they would show that it is preferable for your employees to be Hispanic. Or Asian.

Why do we not see 'yellows only' job applications? Because it's fucking illegal. Stereotyping someone based on whether or not they consume tobacco products is no different than choosing to employ someone based on whether or not they're fat or black. Fuckin' racist.

OSHA federal regulations clearly state "Employers also have a general duty under the OSH Act to provide their employees with work and a workplace free from recognized, serious hazards." but if you don't think smoking is harmful then you wouldn't see it as a hazard so...

The rest of us know smoking is hazardous so it's our duty to protect our employees. It's quite simple.

 

[dave_the_nerd]

And your car spewed far more shit than that cigarette.

I don't really have anything to contribute to the smoking discussion, but the car comparison has come up a couple times and I just wanted to point out that it's not as true as it used to be. Google for 'smog-eating radiator', for one thing.

I've also read that it's nearly impossible to kill yourself running a car in an enclosed garage anymore. (Although I obviously haven't tried it.)

Pretty awesome, if true.

 

[dave_the_nerd]

Sweet. Let's ban radon gas while we're fucking at it.

Radon comes from the ground, and isn't the byproduct of people doing people stuff.

 

[raasco]

Radon comes from the ground, and isn't the byproduct of people doing people stuff.

Tobacco comes from the ground...

 

[dave_the_nerd]

Tobacco comes from the ground...

Not if you don't plant it.

It's just a lousy analogy. Try harder, you'll come up with something.

 

[Brainonska511]

Tobacco comes from the ground...

That was a horrible retort.

 

[raasco]

That was a horrible retort.

Well darn!

 

[mmntech]

Nope, never have and never will. My Granddad was a pipe smoker. Started during the War and smoked regularly up until his 50s. That's when he had his first heart attack, which required open heart surgery. He stopped after that but the heart disease eventually caught up with him. Can't say for sure that the smoking caused it, but it was likely a contributing factor. He always warned us never to take it up.

Cigarettes smell horrendous, just such a filthy habit. Cigars don't bother me as much. I've got a Cuban one sitting on my desk, that I got for free at the Tropicana. Probably well beyond its best before date, so I doubt anybody would want it.

 

[phucheneh]

And yet you can't name anything wrong with what I said? I guess you are in the camp of people that doesn't thinking smoking is harmful?

Holy fuck, you're even more dense than I thought. You REALLY DO believe that it is your duty to inform people that smoking is harmful to their health, don't you? Do you seriously not realize that everyone knows this and your statements do nothing but make you look like an enormous bumbling douche?

OSHA federal regulations clearly state "Employers also have a general duty under the OSH Act to provide their employees with work and a workplace free from recognized, serious hazards." but if you don't think smoking is harmful then you wouldn't see it as a hazard so...

The rest of us know smoking is hazardous so it's our duty to protect our employees. It's quite simple.

Funny how I don't even remember typing that I thought your coworkers should be allowed to smoke around you at work.

Oh, that's right...because I didn't, and you're simply the worst kind of person. An amalgamation of inconsiderate and self-serving coupled with being illogical and naive. A potent combination.

How does someone smoking cigarettes/cigars/dipping/ect on their own time have ANY effect on you? Oh, right...it doesn't. Newsflash: no one is oppressing you with their cigarette smoke. You're the oppressive asshole here. Basically, you're like a whinier version of Hitler.

 

[rsbennett00]

Holy fuck, you're even more dense than I thought. You REALLY DO believe that it is your duty to inform people that smoking is harmful to their health, don't you? Do you seriously not realize that everyone knows this and your statements do nothing but make you look like an enormous bumbling douche?



Funny how I don't even remember typing that I thought your coworkers should be allowed to smoke around you at work.

Oh, that's right...because I didn't, and you're simply the worst kind of person. An amalgamation of inconsiderate and self-serving coupled with being illogical and naive. A potent combination.

How does someone smoking cigarettes/cigars/dipping/ect on their own time have ANY effect on you? Oh, right...it doesn't. Newsflash: no one is oppressing you with their cigarette smoke. You're the oppressive asshole here. Basically, you're like a whinier version of Hitler.

It is a shame that you can't have a real conversation. Resorting to insults is what people do when they have no logical arguments left.

 

[BUTCH1]

It is a shame that you can't have a real conversation. Resorting to insults is what people do when they have no logical arguments left.

No, he just pointed out that nowhere did you suggest that you would be subject to second-hand smoke at all and his description of you as a winy type was spot-on, basically you just had your ass handed to you but your IQ level is not high enough to see the ass-whopping you just absorbed, I did and it was enjoying!..

 

[blackangst1]

While it was a bit of a hyperbole, I'm not sure how sexual orientation or even general sex practices couldn't also be argued in the same manner I.e. risk. No one has ever died from religious beliefs so I will conceded that point.

Really?

 

[Ruptga]

It is a shame that you can't have a :whiste:real conversation. Resorting to insults is what people do when they have no logical arguments left.

I don't know why you're trying to climb onto a high horse when you were just repeating the same junk arguments I shot down a page or two ago. Oh actually I do, it's because you don't have a leg to stand on and had to resort to insults. Everyone does know the dangers of cigarettes, and practically everyone knows anything involving tobacco or nicotine involves health risks, but it's still none of your damn business because it doesn't really affect you unless you choose to be around people smoking. 1950 is a long way away, it's not like you can't go to work or in public without being exposed to smoke.

Is third-hand smoke a real thing? Yeah. Have its risks been quantified? Nope. Are smokers themselves toxic? There's no evidence nor even a resonable argument for that. That's it, and no amount of assertions, loaded questions, or strawmen will make your stated opinion correct. Accept it and move on, or just play the troll game until you get the last word, as though that proves anything at all.

 

[rsbennett00]

I don't know why you're trying to climb onto a high horse when you were just repeating the same junk arguments I shot down a page or two ago. Oh actually I do, it's because you don't have a leg to stand on and had to resort to insults. Everyone does know the dangers of cigarettes, and practically everyone knows anything involving tobacco or nicotine involves health risks, but it's still none of your damn business because it doesn't really affect you unless you choose to be around people smoking. 1950 is a long way away, it's not like you can't go to work or in public without being exposed to smoke.

Is third-hand smoke a real thing? Yeah. Have its risks been quantified? Nope. Are smokers themselves toxic? There's no evidence nor even a resonable argument for that. That's it, and no amount of assertions, loaded questions, or strawmen will make your stated opinion correct. Accept it and move on, or just play the troll game until you get the last word, as though that proves anything at all.

How can you say there's no reasonable argument for smokers being toxic? Have you seen smokers teeth? You could google that and get lots of images and links describing the effect of smoking on teeth. Ask a non smoker what it's like to kiss a smoker, it's reasonable to conclude that toxins are being transferred.

 

[Ruptga]

How can you say there's no reasonable argument for smokers being toxic? Have you seen smokers teeth? You could google that and get lots of images and links describing the effect of smoking on teeth. Ask a non smoker what it's like to kiss a smoker, it's reasonable to conclude that toxins are being transferred.

And I still haven't heard a resonable argument to that effect. As we said the last time you brought out this baseless argument.
1. Wtf do you do at work that you care what your coworkers' teeth and mouths look like?
2. It is not reasonable to assume that your nebulous toxins are in any way significant.
Now either give some proof to back your ludicrous argument or else give it a rest already.

 

[Markbnj]

How can you say there's no reasonable argument for smokers being toxic? Have you seen smokers teeth? You could google that and get lots of images and links describing the effect of smoking on teeth. Ask a non smoker what it's like to kiss a smoker, it's reasonable to conclude that toxins are being transferred.

People who smoke should have to wear a yellow Marlborough Man patch on their chests so that non-smokers don't kiss them by accident.

 

[PhoKingGuy]

please keep smoking, I need more patients

 

[Markbnj]

How does someone smoking cigarettes/cigars/dipping/ect on their own time have ANY effect on you? Oh, right...it doesn't.

But TOXINS. I wonder if most people who worry about "toxins" could give a reasonable working definition of one without resorting to google. Hell, even with resorting to google.

 

[Markbnj]

I've also read that it's nearly impossible to kill yourself running a car in an enclosed garage anymore. (Although I obviously haven't tried it.) Pretty awesome, if true.

That would be pretty awesome. Yeah, engine emissions have come way down. But of course it isn't just the tailpipe. If we're going to obsess over sources of "toxins" then there are all the outgassing plastics and coatings, battery fumes, particles of motor oil, rubber dust, brake dust, ozone, gasoline fumes, etc.

 

[Wuzup101]

Really?

Yeah, I was being a bit facetious / sarcastic with that one. I guess it was lost on the OP... but I'm glad several others have pointed it out!

 

[rsbennett00]

And I still haven't heard a resonable argument to that effect. As we said the last time you brought out this baseless argument.
1. Wtf do you do at work that you care what your coworkers' teeth and mouths look like?
2. It is not reasonable to assume that your nebulous toxins are in any way significant.
Now either give some proof to back your ludicrous argument or else give it a rest already.

Here.

Let's say I'm a dentist. Does that help you? My profession shouldn't matter though.

 

[Wuzup101]

And yet you can't name anything wrong with what I said? I guess you are in the camp of people that doesn't thinking smoking is harmful?

OSHA federal regulations clearly state "Employers also have a general duty under the OSH Act to provide their employees with work and a workplace free from recognized, serious hazards." but if you don't think smoking is harmful then you wouldn't see it as a hazard so...

The rest of us know smoking is hazardous so it's our duty to protect our employees. It's quite simple.

I have to admit, you've done an excellent job at trolling this thread from the beginning. This is especially true with all the repeating of the whole "you people don't think smoking is harmful." I attribute this to trolling, because your sentence structure is too good for you to have a mental disability / comprehension issue or for this to be a language barrier issue.

Stop with the whole OSHA / federal regulations / etc... shit. A person who smokes, but does not smoke in your smoke free work place, is NOT a recognized, serious hazard. As someone who routinely has to conduct engineering field work in areas where there are actual hazards, I find this whole charade to be a joke. If you truly believe this, you need help.

The argument isn't about allowing smoking in the workplace. No one is saying that it's a smokers right to be able to light up in the next cubical. You keep babbling about that shit like you can't read (which I highly doubt is the case).

 

[rsbennett00]

Stop with the whole OSHA / federal regulations / etc... shit. A person who smokes, but does not smoke in your smoke free work place, is NOT a recognized, serious hazard. As someone who routinely has to conduct engineering field work in areas where there are actual hazards, I find this whole charade to be a joke. If you truly believe this, you need help.

I don't know how you can type this with a straight face. I keep harping on it but it's mind boggling that anyone can think a smokers mouth, lungs, etc. are safe.

According to this list, I work in a smoker protected state and yet no one has successfully sued, they've tried and been thrown out of court.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoker_Protection_Law

The argument isn't about allowing smoking in the workplace. No one is saying that it's a smokers right to be able to light up in the next cubical. You keep babbling about that shit like you can't read (which I highly doubt is the case).

Of course they can't light up on the premises, that's absurd, this has nothing to do with lighting up, it's the health hazards related to passing on the smoking residue in their body to us non smokers.

 

[Brainonska511]

Of course they can't light up on the premises, that's absurd, this has nothing to do with lighting up, it's the health hazards related to passing on the smoking residue in their body to us non smokers.

I think you're way overblowing this hazard. The histrionics coming from you is quite ridiculous.

Plus, without telling us what industry or job this is, your remarks about how smokers are hazards to others seems rather specious.

 

[Wuzup101]

I don't know how you can type this with a straight face. I keep harping on it but it's mind boggling that anyone can think a smokers mouth, lungs, etc. are safe.

Please post your information regarding how a smokers mouth / lungs / etc... pose a significant danger to other people around the smoker. I don't, for a second, believe that I'm in any danger from a fellow colleague that is a smoker at our smoke free campus. I'm never around anyone smoking. I rarely, if ever, smell smoke on anyone that I know to be a smoker (with the exception of someone that may have just come back from smoking). There are several people that I work with who smoke daily but don't smoke at work at all (including brakes). They aren't heavy smokers obviously. They NEVER even smell of smoke. I'm pretty sure I'm safe. I'd rather not have my personal life be my employer's business. Hell, even if there were a small risk associated with working with smokers, I think I'd rather have to deal with that than live in a country where an employer can terminate you / selectively hire you based on things that you do in your personal life, risk, etc...

The better question is, given your job in the adult film industry, do you feel that kissing a smoker is more or less dangerous then having unprotected sex with a multitude of women/men who also have sex for money?