Anyone live in a red state with increasing COVID-19 cases, what's it like?

[Fenixgoon]

ITS NOT AIRBORNE.

its spread in droplets. even surface transmission is not a largest factor. its just very highly contagious. if it was actually airborne, your cloth mask would do absolutely nothing and would not be worth wasting your time with, unless its N99 + airborne may not mean what you think it means. it means the virus is able to survive in air, by itself and float around and infect you.

While I understand you are technically correct - a mask would do nothing against an aerosol - I don't think the average person will make the distinction between aerosolized transmission (truly airborne) and airborne droplets, which eventually fall to the ground.
Practically speaking, people need to know what to do, whether that's wearing a mask (as the case seems to be), decontaminating surfaces, or something else. Let the health officials worry about the details.

 

[woolfe9998]

That's a US problem. Not a "we don't know anything about this virus" problem. A lot of other countries are used to wearing masks and just did it reflexively. We have a mass community of adult toddlers that have a stance of "THE MASK IS LAVA!!!!" syndrome.

But they told us it was touch, not airborne. I even recall a radio interview with a disease expert back in early March, who said, don't bother with masks, we need to save them for healthcare workers, and they won't protect you anyway. Wash your hands.

I think they were making an assumption based on past human infecting coronavirus being transmitted by touch. Still, it was unfortunate advice.

Since it has come out that mask wearing is crucial, we have near 100% compliance in the SF Bay area. Everyone is wearing one, everywhere. That should have started earlier.

 

[Muse]

Would have been a lot better if they had known the mask wearing was the most critical aspect of containment. We were told initially it was transmitted by touch and to wash our hands a lot. Mask wearing was optional. Then we find out it's primarily airborne with low chance of touch transmission.

To think, all those people who weren't wearing masks through March, when it first took hold.

I had a feeling that they were faking it. They didn't know the epidemiology of this disease and there's still a lot they don't know. In 2-3 years there will be much better info. By that time hopefully there will be vaccine(s) that are tamping it down a whole lot. I'd take any right now, personally.

Mask ain't nuthin' but a face diaper.

Dude you are in plain denial. What else are you hiding?

I would outlaw masks entirely. Except maybe for the O2 machine ones.

Face MUST be wholey and completely visible at all times when entering banks or other secure facilities.

You're living in a complete fantasy. There's a real world out there, I want you to know. Maybe some day you'll get a glimpse.

 

[woolfe9998]

ITS NOT AIRBORNE.

its spread in droplets. even surface transmission is not a largest factor. its just very highly contagious. if it was actually airborne, your cloth mask would do absolutely nothing and would not be worth wasting your time with, unless its N99 + airborne may not mean what you think it means. it means the virus is able to survive in air, by itself and float around and infect you.

Two studies I read within the past several weeks say otherwise. They say it can be transmitted through exhalation and talk, no coughing or sneezing necessary. These have been linked here already. Here's one from early April:

Coronavirus Is Aerosolized Through Talking, Exhalation

It's not yet clear if the airborne viral particles are emitted in doses sufficient to cause infection, said an expert committee from the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine.

www.medscape.com

There are more recent ones as well.

 

[vi edit]

But they told us it was touch, not airborne. I even recall a radio interview with a disease expert back in early March, who said, don't bother with masks, we need to save them for healthcare workers, and they won't protect you anyway. Wash your hands.

I think they were making an assumption based on past human infecting coronavirus being transmitted by touch. Still, it was unfortunate advice.

Since it has come out that mask wearing is crucial, we have near 100% compliance in the SF Bay area. Everyone is wearing one, everywhere. That should have started earlier.

It's a cold virus. It's new strain, sure. But colds have always been spread through coughing and sneezing along with touching surfaces.

 

[purbeast0]

We were going to head down to the Florida Keys from Maryland last week for like 12 days but opted not too primarily due to the rise in cases, even if they aren't down in the Keys at all. But since the Keys are open to non-residents as of June 1st, I'm sure there are a lot of people from the Miami area going down there now and that is a hot spot. My wife is almost 8 months preggers too and it would have been a 17 hour drive, so we made the decision not to go down there. If it weren't for covid we would have gone.

Then one of the dive masters at a dive shop I dive with down there frequently has been posting pictures like this, which was his most recent one.

So the fact that locals have that mindset down there, I'm glad we didn't opt to go down there.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

You have a better way of enforcing?

This. He gets it.

Go have a 35 year old woman enforce a intimidating biker dude or some other douche. It means "We can't enforce this shit, how about we try to pass it off to you ?"

It's dumb because it should come from the top of the state down. Not some half ass measure and punting it to municipalities and store owners.

 

[brycejones]

I would outlaw masks entirely. Except maybe for the O2 machine ones.

Face MUST be wholey and completely visible at all times when entering banks or other secure facilities.

Fuck your trolling. Plonk

 

[woolfe9998]

It's a cold virus. It's new strain, sure. But colds have always been spread through coughing and sneezing along with touching surfaces.

No, like I said, this virus is aerosolized through breathing and talking.

 

[vi edit]

The funny thing about masks is that a lot of anti-maskers will support a business for it's ability to turn away gay people. But if you turn them away for not wearing a mask...oh now we're offended.

 

[purbeast0]

But they told us it was touch, not airborne. I even recall a radio interview with a disease expert back in early March, who said, don't bother with masks, we need to save them for healthcare workers, and they won't protect you anyway. Wash your hands.

I think they were making an assumption based on past human infecting coronavirus being transmitted by touch. Still, it was unfortunate advice.

Since it has come out that mask wearing is crucial, we have near 100% compliance in the SF Bay area. Everyone is wearing one, everywhere. That should have started earlier.

So you are saying we have learned new information about the virus since March?

Damn, who would have though.

 

[interchange]

Blue city in red state. Our hospital system numbers seem to be trending fairly flat still. I'm guessing most of the issues here are in other locales. Behaviorally, somewhat hard to tell because I'm not going many places other than work. Traffic did pick up some the last month+ but is fairly steady and certainly way less volume than pre-COVID-19. The hospital is getting busier for non-COVID care. Mask use depends on environment. I'd say 60-70% in grocery store, 20% in gas station. Limited restaurant exposures though I've only really gone places that take it seriously so the clientele self-selects. Driving I see a lot of people without masks fraternizing in parks, etc.

 

[herm0016]

Two studies I read within the past several weeks say otherwise. They say it can be transmitted through exhalation and talk, no coughing or sneezing necessary. These have been linked here already. Here's one from early April:

Coronavirus Is Aerosolized Through Talking, Exhalation

It's not yet clear if the airborne viral particles are emitted in doses sufficient to cause infection, said an expert committee from the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine.

www.medscape.com

There are more recent ones as well.

still not actual airborne transmission.

What is airborne transmission?
Airborne transmission refers to situations where droplet nuclei (residue from evaporated droplets) or dust particles containing microorganisms can remain suspended in air for long periods of time. These organisms must be capable of surviving for long periods of time outside the body and must be resistant to drying. Airborne transmission allows organisms to enter the upper and lower respiratory tracts. Fortunately, only a limited number of diseases are capable of airborne transmission.
Diseases capable of airborne transmission include:

• Tuberculosis
• Chickenpox
• Measles

and you linked an article that seems to just pose the question, and not answer the question.

 

[MtnMan]

I would outlaw masks entirely. Except maybe for the O2 machine ones.

Face MUST be wholey and completely visible at all times when entering banks or other secure facilities.

Some people are really really proud of their utter stupidity, and demonstrate all to frequently.

 

[zzyzxroad]

This page was updated on June 17 and has good info. At the bottom the diffrent efficiencies for each mask type. This is consistent which the message inhave heard from the start. N95 respirators are best but you can.'t get them and they should be fitted. Surgical masks are second best but only protect you from spreading(seems great if everyone including Karen wears them). Cloth masks, better than nothing and the surgical masks have been in short supply.

Face Masks FAQs

The most recent recommendations related to prevention against the spread of COVID-19 include wearing cloth masks as an added measure of protection, particularly in areas of significant transmission.

www.hopkinsmedicine.org

 

[MtnMan]

While I understand you are technically correct - a mask would do nothing against an aerosol - I don't think the average person will make the distinction between aerosolized transmission (truly airborne) and airborne droplets, which eventually fall to the ground.
Practically speaking, people need to know what to do, whether that's wearing a mask (as the case seems to be), decontaminating surfaces, or something else. Let the health officials worry about the details.

You using some mighty big words there, which will be completely over the head of any Trump supporters.

 

[woolfe9998]

So you are saying we have learned new information about the virus since March?

Damn, who would have though.

I'm saying everything we were told was wrong. We were told to obsessively wash our hands, but now we find out that touch transmission is rare. We were told not to bother with masks. Now we're told that this is by far the most effective measure.

How much did this spread during the month of March?

 

[woolfe9998]

still not actual airborne transmission.

What is airborne transmission?
Airborne transmission refers to situations where droplet nuclei (residue from evaporated droplets) or dust particles containing microorganisms can remain suspended in air for long periods of time. These organisms must be capable of surviving for long periods of time outside the body and must be resistant to drying. Airborne transmission allows organisms to enter the upper and lower respiratory tracts. Fortunately, only a limited number of diseases are capable of airborne transmission.
Diseases capable of airborne transmission include:

• Tuberculosis
• Chickenpox
• Measles

and you linked an article that seems to just pose the question, and not answer the question.

Does it matter? The fact is, mask wearing is now regarded as the most important form of protection, while we were initially told it was not important at all.

 

[Muse]

No, like I said, this virus is aerosolized through breathing and talking.

This has been known for something like a month.

 

[herm0016]

While I understand you are technically correct - a mask would do nothing against an aerosol - I don't think the average person will make the distinction between aerosolized transmission (truly airborne) and airborne droplets, which eventually fall to the ground.
Practically speaking, people need to know what to do, whether that's wearing a mask (as the case seems to be), decontaminating surfaces, or something else. Let the health officials worry about the details.

fair enough. You are not using your words quite right either, aerosol is just another way to say small droplets suspended in a gas.

I find precision extremely important. When you are precise about things, it will foster better understanding and more creative solutions to problems. We as a society have been talking to the lowest denominator and it shows. anyhow, that's a whole other topic about education, etc.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Red (I suspect) area of a blue state, very near a very blue city. Strong leadership at the state and local areas has ensured we're at near 100% mask usage at all times. Reports from my in-laws down in SC are not nearly as glowing.

 

[woolfe9998]

This has been known for something like a month.

The first reports were from early April. Which is right about when they started to tell us to wear masks. I guess it isn't their fault they didn't know sooner? It's too bad though. People wearing masks through March would likely have been a big help.

 

[Muse]

You using some mighty big words there, which will be completely over the head of any Trump supporters.

Hey, Trump said he'd create jobs. The morticians are doing very well.

 

[Muse]

The first reports were from early April. Which is right about when they started to tell us to wear masks. I guess it isn't their fault they didn't know sooner? It's too bad though. People wearing masks through March would likely have been a big help.

If you watched video you would have seen masks on the vast majority of people in the Asian countries who were fighting this early on... places like Taiwan, China, Hong Kong, likely Japan too. They knew from the SARS days. Wear a mask, don't bitch. They fought it off so so much better than we have. Lost... get lost!

 

[skyking]

Blue state, but a few funny looks from non-mask wearers when I wear my mask outside of Costco, where it is mandatory.
At the auto parts store yesterday, and one employee had a mask on. None of the customers.