Anyone live in a red state with increasing COVID-19 cases, what's it like?

[ElFenix]

This all assumes that there even is a herd immunity for COVID19. The truth is we have seen little evidence that having had the virus imbues any long term immunity to it. We are seeing multiple reports from researchers that immunity is light and lasts only a few months before reinfection is possible again, and it looks like the immunity granted is at least somewhat connected to how severe the case is, so it could be the case that asymptomatic cases confer no real immunity while the ones hospitalized do.

One of the real problems here is that we really don't know that much yet. We are a civilization that thinks 2 months is forever, but science still needs years to do proper research.

immunity only lasting a few month means herd immunity is something that must be continually maintained through regular vaccination (like seasonal flu) rather than something considered effective for life like MMR.

 

[SMOGZINN]

immunity only lasting a few month means herd immunity is something that must be continually maintained through regular vaccination (like seasonal flu) rather than something considered effective for life like MMR.

I agree, considering it will be 2+ years before we get approval for a vaccination, we might need to buckle down for a long haul.

 

[hal2kilo]

immunity only lasting a few month means herd immunity is something that must be continually maintained through regular vaccination (like seasonal flu) rather than something considered effective for life like MMR.

Still don't have cold vaccine yet do we. Think about that.

 

[ElFenix]

Still don't have cold vaccine yet do we. Think about that.

and why would we? there's 100s of different things that cause a common cold and vaccines themselves aren't without risk.

 

[hal2kilo]

and why would we? there's 100s of different things that cause a common cold and vaccines themselves aren't without risk.

Just saying. Cold viruses are in the COVID family.

 

[ElFenix]

Just saying. Cold viruses are in the COVID family.

some of them are.

The most commonly implicated virus is a rhinovirus (30–80%), a type of picornavirus with 99 known serotypes.[29][30] Other commonly implicated viruses include human coronaviruses (≈ 15%),[31][32] influenza viruses (10–15%),[33] adenoviruses (5%),[33] human respiratory syncytial virus (orthopneumovirus), enteroviruses other than rhinoviruses, human parainfluenza viruses, and human metapneumovirus.[34] Frequently more than one virus is present.[35] In total, more than 200 viral types are associated with colds.[3]

 

[Jhhnn]

immunity only lasting a few month means herd immunity is something that must be continually maintained through regular vaccination (like seasonal flu) rather than something considered effective for life like MMR.

The reason flu vaccines change is because the flu changes constantly. It's inherently unstable. Immunity to last year's flu persists, but that doesn't mean immunity from this year's flu. Multiple strains exist at all times. Immunologists make educated guesses as to which strains will become more prevalent & formulate vaccines accordingly, sometimes better than others. Mutations occur by the gazillions, and a few help the virus dodge our immune systems. They spread & mutate themselves. Covid-19 hasn't shown the ability to do that. If the virus doesn't change then immunity will be lasting if not necessarily permanent.

 

[Jhhnn]

Still don't have cold vaccine yet do we. Think about that.

We never will, simply because there are over 200 virii that cause cold-like symptoms.

Common cold - Wikipedia

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[hal2kilo]

I get it. I just don't think people understand that we can't get back to any kind of normal until there is a vaccine unless people maintain strict hygiene protocols for a long long time.

 

[Stokely]

If they don't understand that by now, it's because:

- they are morons and have trouble understanding things
- they are completely ignorant and out of touch of covid developments for whatever reason and need someone to show them the science
- they understand full well that masks work, but choose to be rebels either for political reasons or because they figure it won't affect them personally, and that's what matters.

Probably mostly a combination of #1 and #3 there. Welcome to America.

 

[Ichinisan]

...markings 6ft apart on the floor, plexiglass barriers erected at many registers, remote payment terminals at many registers, curbside service at many places that never offered it before, and on and on.

Went to Subway yesterday and two of the three employees were wearing their masks wrong (under their noses). Ugh! They're preparing food, FFS. Admittedly, I was more concerned with the family in front of me since they were spread out too much to maintain 6ft and the teenage daughter kept coughing.

Also, Ichinisan, you do know someone who had it early although we haven't seen her in about 15 years. It was on Facebook back in March. She got it from church back in late Feb or early Mar.

Some parks closed

Many public restrooms closed

 

[CZroe]

Some parks closed

Many public restrooms closed

Yeah. You already mentioned the restrooms though.

 

[hal2kilo]

If they don't understand that by now, it's because:

- they are morons and have trouble understanding things
- they are completely ignorant and out of touch of covid developments for whatever reason and need someone to show them the science
- they understand full well that masks work, but choose to be rebels either for political reasons or because they figure it won't affect them personally, and that's what matters.

Probably mostly a combination of #1 and #3 there. Welcome to America.

How bout zero leadership from the federal government.

 

[Grey_Beard]

How bout zero leadership from the federal government.

Not only the federal government but the state too. To think local governments are remotely prepared for this is absurd. These folks have dismantled government over the years and will claim that this is a liberal conspiracy. Crazy continues to do crazy until the end.


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[Jhhnn]

Not only the federal government but the state too. To think local governments are remotely prepared for this is absurd. These folks have dismantled government over the years and will claim that this is a liberal conspiracy. Crazy continues to do crazy until the end.


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Absolutely. Lower taxes & smaller gubmint are always better. It's as much an ideological tenet as belief in the virgin birth. Well, unless you're talking about the prison industrial complex or its military cousin. That's different.

It's catch-22. Even when it doesn't work it's still the way it should be so that's what they'll do.

 

[Ichinisan]

and why would we? there's 100s of different things that cause a common cold and vaccines themselves aren't without risk.

Including other coronaviruses.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Answer: Florida

Question: Where does reality struggle against confirmation biases?

 

[darkswordsman17]

I'm self isolating as much as I can. Thankfully have pretty limited interaction with people while at work (and they have pretty strict protocols, temp checks, face masks, cleaning procedures and mandated social distancing although people still try to bypass it). Had first co-worker that died due to it though (they hadn't been back to work since it restarted so it wasn't work related, but still sad to hear).

Unfortunately I have a moron sister that is being a shithead and not wearing a mask (and just got back from a trip to Kansas like 2 weeks ago, where she had 4 children aged from 1 to 13 with her and didn't wear masks). She told my Mom that they wouldn't go anywhere that mandated masks (meaning they would be going out and doing stuff but would only go to stores/restaurants that would let them not wear masks). I haven't been around them (would like to see my nephews and niece since I haven't seen them in a couple of years now, but now's not a good time for obvious reasons; one of my nephews is about to have a birthday I think next week and they were going to go out to restaurants; I already told them I wouldn't be going). The dumbest part is she complained about one of my other idiot nephews having a kid and them letting some stupid person around it without a mask, just like 2 months ago. She's been turning into a right wing dumbshit for a few years though so I'm not terribly surprised by her bouts of idiocy.

Thankfully quite a few places are mandating masks down here since Ducebag is being a chickenshit and punted mask mandates to the counties/cities, since he's worried it'd cost him with the dipshit right wingers down here (which it probably would, but hopefully his woeful leadership costs him even more). Heard commercials calling out McSally for trying to vote down the pre-existing conditions mandate of the ACA, but then I also saw a political sign for fucking Arpaio for Sheriff (I had to laugh "tough on crime") so this fucked up state could go either way.

 

[hal2kilo]

I've been very fortunate in that I retired 11 months before my actual full retirement date. So self isolation is the easy part. For the most part people were pretty compliant with wearing masks when I went out in public. As soon as things got loosened up it went straight to about 60/40 not wearing masks. Well since then a spike appeared in Yakima and our Gov. has issued mandatory mask wearing as of today.

 

[IronWing]

Mask use in Arizona is definitely on the upswing, even in small towns. The county by county breakdown shows that some of Arizona's rural counties are leading in cases per capita. Note: Maricopa and Pima Counties are urban, Pinal is mixed urban/rural, and the rest are rural.

 

[SmCaudata]

WRONG. Government has no business making that decision and Governors who do should be removed from office.

Okay. So then we should not give state or federal health care to uninsured/under insured people then? Thats ridiculous.

We know our tax dollars are going to be used for COVID related care. It only makes sense we try to minimize the impact. So, if you don't want to wear a mask because of "freedom" at least you should recognize the fiscally responsible thing to do.

You know, fiscal responsibility... that thing that Republicans like to talk about but apparently don't really understand.

 

[zinfamous]

Florida Man takes the day off—sends Florida Woman to confront the city council:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1275912010555932672

It's times like this when you have to seriously ask yourself if the idea of expanding the internet to everyone really is the best idea...

 

[Jhhnn]

I've been very fortunate in that I retired 11 months before my actual full retirement date. So self isolation is the easy part. For the most part people were pretty compliant with wearing masks when I went out in public. As soon as things got loosened up it went straight to about 60/40 not wearing masks. Well since then a spike appeared in Yakima and our Gov. has issued mandatory mask wearing as of today.

I had a co-worker from Oregon who called it Whackima. Def Trump Country.

 

[Grey_Beard]

It's times like this when you have to seriously ask yourself if the idea of expanding the internet to everyone really is the best idea...

It not the internet, it’s our abysmal education system. We have not created critical thinkers. In years past, the limited media options, vetted and verified information and sources. That was regulated, unfortunately, our regs have not kept up to the changes, express,y the internet, but critical thinking could go a long way to dispel the craziness of information around us.

 

[Jhhnn]

It not the internet, it’s our abysmal education system. We have not created critical thinkers. In years past, the limited media options, vetted and verified information and sources. That was regulated, unfortunately, our regs have not kept up to the changes, express,y the internet, but critical thinking could go a long way to dispel the craziness of information around us.

Absolutely. We're being overwhelmed by truthiness.

The Word - Truthiness - The Colbert Report (Video Clip) | Comedy Central

Stephen promises to always feel the news at his viewers.

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It's like Hate Week every week with Trump in the Oval Office.