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Question Anyone knows when the New Xeons coming out?

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Markeyse

Markeyse

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Hello everyone! I'm in the process for planning my next workstation build, and At first I had a configuration that includes an LGA3467 motherboard with Xeon W chips. But it seems as those are being discontinued, and I can't find the motherboard or chips anywhere anymore.

I've heard that Intel releasing some new Xeons with socket LGA4189 chips, with PCIe 4.0 & 5.0, but can't find much info as when those are coming out, and since I'm doing a lot of Music creating and now some CAD work, I need things like ECC RDIMM RAM. Anyone have any info, or at least an even that they will announce them? Help is much appreciated.
 
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lobz said:
Ponte vecchio is end of 2021, and only for that one supercomputer.
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Yea Ponte Vecchio isn't for us. The First Xe to be at least unveiled should be in the summer, but we may hear something beforehand too. I'm definitely looking to get everything workstation class, a step of what I got now. Which is probably 100 steps considering my rig is eight years old now.

lobz said:
Unfortonately the TR cpus don't support more than 256 gigs, even then, I don't think you can find 32GB unbuffered ecc sticks
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All the reason RDIMM comes in play. I want the option to upgrade to that many. Don't need a terabyte of ram. But may go over 128GB. Due to some of the VI's now that I bought recently.
 
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sdifox said:
He wants ECC RDIMM. Oddly enough I haven't been able to locate a TRX40 board that suppports ECC RDIMM, only ECC Unbuffered.
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Even though I just started my journey into the server space, you mean rdimm and un-buffered are mutually exclusive ?

Well, he can go EPYC Rome right now, just no PCIE 4.0. The CPU supports it, just no motherboards yet.
 
Markfw said:
Even though I just started my journey into the server space, you mean rdimm and un-buffered are mutually exclusive ?
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www.servethehome.com

Unbuffered versus Registered ECC Memory - Difference between ECC UDIMMs and RDIMMs

An article outlining the differences between unbuffered versus registered ECC memory and the concepts involved with ECC UDIMMs and RDIMMs
www.servethehome.com www.servethehome.com

It's board by board. Funny thing is I haven't seen any TRX40 boards that says it supports ECC RDIMM. Or maybe I am just not reading it correctly.

Unbuffered ECC is a really odd type of memory for current gen hardware.

Current servers use ECC RDIMM or LRDIMM. My ancient R710 supports UDIMMs up to 2GB sticks I think.

This is off the asrock creator manual

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Edit: tried in pc part picker, no rdimm for this board.
 
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sdifox said:
32 GB ECC UDIMM

memory.net

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$248 each ?? I get my 16 gig ecc for $67 each. Twice that is $132. So this is twice the price I pay per gig. Ouch ! But hey, if you want ECC today and the fastest processor, its this and the new threadrippers ! They are faster than EPYC, but only 4 memory channels. For his purpose, that should not be a problem. The speed is more important than the memory channels. Assuming also that 256 gig is enough memory.
 
Markfw said:
$248 each ?? I get my 16 gig ecc for $67 each. Twice that is $132. So this is twice the price I pay per gig. Ouch ! But hey, if you want ECC today and the fastest processor, its this and the new threadrippers ! They are faster than EPYC, but only 4 memory channels. For his purpose, that should not be a problem. The speed is more important than the memory channels. Assuming also that 256 gig is enough memory.
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But he wants ecc buffered lol. So I have a feeling he doesn't want TR for that reason. And I don't see Epyc workstation board either. Very odd.

Remember this is a brand new size for udimm, so yeah premium time.

I paid 84 dollars for 6*8 GB ddr3 ecc rdimm in 2017.
 
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Markfw said:
WOW, thats an updated version that has PCIE4. Not availablre on newegg or Amazon when I got mine, thats the one to get !
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Op will have to go to LRDIMM if he plans to get more than 256 gig.

Actually 64gb ecc rdimm are supported but not yet vetted. I haven't found them either.
 
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sdifox said:
Is it this one?

ASRock Rack > ROMED8-2T

www.asrockrack.com www.asrockrack.com

This one has pcie 4. Add a pcie 4.0 nvme carrier card and 4 adata 2tb 8200 pro would kick ass. 15 gigabyte per second read write performance lol.

US655 on gamepc.com according to google
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Funny you said that!

I was researching some more last nite and came across the Asus M.2 RAID card. May do one of these for Video editing and put like four 1TB M.2 SSDs on it in a RAID 0. Man that thing will be fast as hell!!!!

Yea I definitely need a MIN of 64 PCIe 3.0 Lanes for this sucker hahahah.
 
Markeyse said:
Funny you said that!

I was researching some more last nite and came across the Asus M.2 RAID card. May do one of these for Video editing and put like four 1TB M.2 SSDs on it in a RAID 0. Man that thing will be fast as hell!!!!

Yea I definitely need a MIN of 64 PCIe 3.0 Lanes for this sucker hahahah.
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Only one small problem. None of the places ASRock Rack says sell their stuff has it listed for sale.
 
sdifox said:
16 pcie4 lanes are good enough for four 2tb nvme.


Weiterleitungshinweis

www.google.com

I guess you are going Epyc xd
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Yea I knew something was up with the current Threadrippers PCIe Lanes since they didn't advertise it. 24 Lanes with 4 going to the FCH only leaving 20 for everything else across the PCIe lanes, isn't gonna cut it. GPU @4.0 speeds will take at least 8 lanes electrically!

These is what I was looking at.

www.asus.com

Hyper M.2 x16 Card V2ï½Motherboardsï½ASUS USA

Boost your tech experience with Hyper M.2 x16 Card V2! Enjoy unthrottled speeds, enhanced reliability and top-tier SSD storage solutions.
www.asus.com www.asus.com

And they just added a PCIe 4.0 on the site.

www.asus.com

HYPER M.2 X16 GEN 4 CARD｜Motherboards｜ASUS USA

ASUS ThunderboltEX 3-TR is a Thunderbolt™ 3 add-on card that delivers 40 Gbps bi-directional bandwidth and DisplayPort™ 1.4 support. It's able to support up to six Thunderbolt-enabled devices in a daisy-chain configuration, and its USB Type-C® port enables up to 100-watt charging for laptops.
www.asus.com www.asus.com

www.newegg.com

ASROCK HYPER QUAD M.2 CARD Bootable M.2 RAID Support - Newegg.com

Buy ASROCK HYPER QUAD M.2 CARD Bootable M.2 RAID Support with fast shipping and top-rated customer service. Once you know, you Newegg!
www.newegg.com www.newegg.com
 
Markeyse said:
Yea I knew something was up with the current Threadrippers PCIe Lanes since they didn't advertise it. 24 Lanes with 4 going to the FCH only leaving 20 for everything else across the PCIe lanes, isn't gonna cut it. GPU @4.0 speeds will take at least 8 lanes electrically!

These is what I was looking at.

www.asus.com

Hyper M.2 x16 Card V2ï½Motherboardsï½ASUS USA

Boost your tech experience with Hyper M.2 x16 Card V2! Enjoy unthrottled speeds, enhanced reliability and top-tier SSD storage solutions.
www.asus.com www.asus.com

And they just added a PCIe 4.0 on the site.

www.asus.com

HYPER M.2 X16 GEN 4 CARD｜Motherboards｜ASUS USA

ASUS ThunderboltEX 3-TR is a Thunderbolt™ 3 add-on card that delivers 40 Gbps bi-directional bandwidth and DisplayPort™ 1.4 support. It's able to support up to six Thunderbolt-enabled devices in a daisy-chain configuration, and its USB Type-C® port enables up to 100-watt charging for laptops.
www.asus.com www.asus.com

www.newegg.com

ASROCK HYPER QUAD M.2 CARD Bootable M.2 RAID Support - Newegg.com

Buy ASROCK HYPER QUAD M.2 CARD Bootable M.2 RAID Support with fast shipping and top-rated customer service. Once you know, you Newegg!
www.newegg.com www.newegg.com
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TR3 has 64 pcie lanes total. Also pcie4 lane has twice the bandwidth of pcie3
 
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At this point, its all about choices. Now, both EPYC and TR3 have PCIE 4.0 with twice the bandwidth of PCIE3.0, so that a wash. The extra PCIE lanes and memory capability and ECC are all in EPYC's court. All TR3 has more to offer, is higher single core clocks.
 
Markfw said:
At this point, its all about choices. Now, both EPYC and TR3 have PCIE 4.0 with twice the bandwidth of PCIE3.0, so that a wash. The extra PCIE lanes and memory capability and ECC are all in EPYC's court. All TR3 has more to offer, is higher single core clocks.
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For people that don't care about ecc rdimm TR3 is a great chip. Just run it with regular dimm.
 
Markfw said:
At this point, its all about choices. Now, both EPYC and TR3 have PCIE 4.0 with twice the bandwidth of PCIE3.0, so that a wash. The extra PCIE lanes and memory capability and ECC are all in EPYC's court. All TR3 has more to offer, is higher single core clocks.
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Starting to sound like If I go with AMD, I should go with Epyc! I seen this right here.

AMD Epyc Rome 7302
 
Markeyse said:
Starting to sound like If I go with AMD, I should go with Epyc! I seen this right here.

AMD Epyc Rome 7302
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Msrp is 830...

Here is a bulk pack for 910
www.allhdd.com

AMD 100-000000049 New Bulk Pack

Buy 100-000000049 AMD EPYC 7302P 16 Core 3.0GHz 128MB L3 Cache Socket SP3 7NM 155W Processor. New Bulk Pack. Buy Online. Free Ground Shipping.
www.allhdd.com www.allhdd.com

Review of chip
www.servethehome.com

AMD EPYC 7302P Review A Category Killer

Our AMD EPYC 7302P review and analysis shows what this single-socket CPU offers in terms of performance, power consumption, and expansion capability
www.servethehome.com www.servethehome.com
 
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Markeyse said:
Tyan!? That is a name I haven't heard in a while!
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My last Tyan was a dual Opteron lol. We used that to do shortest path on mapinfo.

Computed road distance of all 5000 schools in the province.
My mistake was forgetting to tell the gis guy to spread out the swap space of the instances. He dumped them all on c drive....actually killed the drive and I had to rebuild... First time I have seen software thrash a hdd to death.
 
Talk about strange products. Supermicro pcie3 atx board with 7302P preinstalled for 1350 but no return no refund.

www.newegg.com

SUPERMICRO MBD-H11SSL-NC Mainboard, Factory Installed with AMD EPYC Rome 64 Cores 7702P CPU - Newegg.com

Buy SUPERMICRO MBD-H11SSL-NC Mainboard, Factory Installed with AMD EPYC Rome 64 Cores 7702P CPU with fast shipping and top-rated customer service. Once you know, you Newegg!
www.newegg.com www.newegg.com

Benchmark for the lulz

AMD EPYC 7302 / 7402 / 7502 / 7742 Linux Performance Benchmarks Review - Phoronix

www.phoronix.com www.phoronix.com
 
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sdifox said:
Talk about strange products. Supermicro pcie3 atx board with 7302P preinstalled for 1350 but no return no refund.

www.newegg.com

SUPERMICRO MBD-H11SSL-NC Mainboard, Factory Installed with AMD EPYC Rome 64 Cores 7702P CPU - Newegg.com

Buy SUPERMICRO MBD-H11SSL-NC Mainboard, Factory Installed with AMD EPYC Rome 64 Cores 7702P CPU with fast shipping and top-rated customer service. Once you know, you Newegg!
www.newegg.com www.newegg.com

Benchmark for the lulz

AMD EPYC 7302 / 7402 / 7502 / 7742 Linux Performance Benchmarks Review - Phoronix

www.phoronix.com www.phoronix.com
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Putting in the CPU is a HARD job you know hahahahha.
 
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