Anyone know where to buy a good sword?

[Babbles]

Originally posted by: Fayd

Originally posted by: ed21x

eh? i've seen demos in Japan where they sliced solid wood blocks in half (in the air no less :Q) standing with the sword in the guard until the block was chucked in the samurai's directly. I kid you not, that is some crazy shit, and probably can't be accomplished with whatever 'shit' steel you claim. considering the japanese' relentless obsession with purity and perfection, I highly doubt the stuff they make is ever of low quality.

oh but it is.

japanese steel IS shit. that's why the whole system of swordsmanship in japan evolved to try to take that into account.

swordplay in japan focuses very heavily on mobility, so that the swords never meet. if they do meet, then there's a chance that a sword will break. would you risk something worth a shitload of land just to parry?

the forging style of folded steel was done in order to remove impurities, to try to solve the shitty steel problem. it doesnt do so entirely. (though it does make a nice effect on the sword...)

the hardening process where the edge is harder than the back is done in order to make the sword stand up better to a parry. again, not a guaranteed. and it makes the reverse edge impossible to sharpen and use as a sword edge. thus, you cant have dual bladed swords.

the katana itself is designed as a slicing sword, rather than a cleaving sword. (european swords are cleaving and piercing, mostly.)

You really do not know too much stuff, so it would probably be best to stop posting. Or rather you tend to make obvious generalizations that have no merit at all, e.g. forging and folding removed impurities . . . no shit Sherlock; however forging and folding was done everywhere to make steel - what the hell is your point?

Also that "hardening" of the backside to make it stand up to a parry is silly. About the only part you have correct that you "slice" with a katana as opposed to cleave.

 

[Sea Moose]

Originally posted by: Babbles

Originally posted by: Sea Moose

Originally posted by: SSSnail
OK, I didn't want to be an ass, but an asshole was made of me, so here goes.

Quoting your stupid ass "japanese steel IS shit. that's why the whole system of swordsmanship in japan evolved to try to take that into account." Till this day there are still master sword makers and metallurgist using the same choice sand, same smelting methods, forging, sharpening and polishing to make the Katana like it was 800 years ago. These are the descendants of the masters of the same katanas that are made of "shit steel", as you've put it. Check out some videos on youtube, even the Chinese are starting to implement the same techniques in making their katanas and are selling them for >$300, albeit probably not with the same cares as the Japanese do. All you have to do is search for "How the katanas are made", and watch some documentaries.

Another golden quote from you "swordplay in japan focuses very heavily on mobility, so that the swords never meet. if they do meet, then there's a chance that a sword will break. would you risk something worth a shitload of land just to parry?" No you stupid wise and beautiful woman, the sword was made to withstand parry, that's why they blended different metals for different hardness and resiliency. It doesn't just break if you parry with it. The famous Hatorri Hanzo had a katana made especially for him so that the cutting edge would be reversed on his katana, so he wouldn't kill people anymore. What the fuck do you think he did with it? Parry attacks perhaps?


Here's another gem "the forging style of folded steel was done in order to remove impurities, to try to solve the shitty steel problem. it doesnt do so entirely. (though it does make a nice effect on the sword...)". Uh, no. Do you even know why they folded it? It's to increase the structural strength of the steel, not just for look you imbecile. Even though you didn't know what you were saying, partially it was correct that the hammering will drive out impurities.

Quoting from the same idiotic post "the hardening process where the edge is harder than the back is done in order to make the sword stand up better to a parry. again, not a guaranteed. and it makes the reverse edge impossible to sharpen and use as a sword edge. thus, you cant have dual bladed swords." You REALLY have no idea what you're talking about do you? The katana was made with a curve so that when they're on horse back it's easier to slash while running, it was also made for easier slashing because it reduce the area of contact while slashing instead of a straight edge. It was NEVER designed as a double edge sword as you incorrectly though (then again, you haven't thought much through). The Katana was designed so that the samurai, or whoever wielded it, would use momentum in a fight. Most of it would be circular motion of parrying and attacking in one stroke.

I just don't understand how someone with no knowledge of the katana at all, come in a sword thread and started to rage on about shits he has no clues on. All that craps that I quoted was just from ONE post of yours, after reading that I didn't bother, and posted some videos in jest, but your stupidity insisted. Run along now sword boy, and have a nice fucking weekend.

I think what all of SSSnail is saying, is true. Also i believe there is no blocking in samurai katana combat?

You pwned somone SSSnail


OP Get a Ka Bar

I just skimmed this thread - usually I avoid these, but I'm bored.

Anyhow, I bolded the part in question because that is not necessarily true. For a few years I studied kenjutsu - that would essentially be the "samurai katana" stuff in question - and there is indeed a parry of sorts where you do use the back of the sword to parry the attacker away and down from you. You then use the momentum of the attack on the back of your sword to swing into an arc back around at them. I can not remember the name of the technique; I haven't practiced in 4 or so years since I moved so my memory is a bit hazy now.

Furthermore to say there is no blocking is a bit silly. Granted stopping an attacker's blow with the edge of one's own sword will likely screw up the edge or even break the sword, keep in mind that jacked-up-sword > being dead.

I thought it didnt sound right, i may have heard it in that Tom Cruise "THe last samauri" Film.

THank you for answering my question

 

[Fayd]

Originally posted by: Babbles

Also that "hardening" of the backside to make it stand up to a parry is silly. About the only part you have correct that you "slice" with a katana as opposed to cleave.

the point of differential hardening is to make the blade survive an impact better. prior to that phase, the blade is strait. the curve comes out as a by-product of that phase.

the edge is extremely hard, for it to hold an edge. the back is softer, to absorb the impact and move it along the sword.

 

[Arkaign]

OP, I didn't read the whole thread, but if you have a local Renaissance festival, you might ask around there. There's a couple here in North Texas, and one of them has a really interesting blacksmith guy who sells swords pretty cheaply. He does custom work on request, and the stuff he makes is pretty tough. More of the broadsword / claymore style, but tough enough to hack trees with if you so desire. He demoed chopping some pretty large stalks of bamboo with ease and no discernible damage to the edge. His prices ranged from ~$200 to over $1k.

 

[ivan2]

alright my musashi is here. i go the 1060 series. it's very solid and well made with real hamon. def worth that 70ish bucks I paid for.

 

[spaceman]

cut peice of rebar to length
duct tape a handel
give urself a mowhawk

 

[ivan2]

too much fallout 3 spaceman?

 

[IEC]

Originally posted by: ivan2
alright my musashi is here. i go the 1060 series. it's very solid and well made with real hamon. def worth that 70ish bucks I paid for.

$70? For one with a real hamon? You sure it isn't wire-brushed in?

 

[ivan2]

Originally posted by: Spartan Niner

Originally posted by: ivan2
alright my musashi is here. i go the 1060 series. it's very solid and well made with real hamon. def worth that 70ish bucks I paid for.

$70? For one with a real hamon? You sure it isn't wire-brushed in?

the smoothness seems to be very even so I assume it's not wire brushed. truesword sez it's differentially hardened. I got it at musashi website with sbg coupon code.