That's pretty much what I was looking for to begin with. Nothing extravagant, just a decent quality sword. Is the company reputable?
That's pretty much what I was looking for to begin with. Nothing extravagant, just a decent quality sword. Is the company reputable?
SSSnail
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You seem to be the idiot. Were did I say Katana>all??? Please find in my post where I said that.
Swords from different parts of the world work in different ways. Katanas were made to be used by highly skilled warriors and were effective at slashing damage. Move towards Europe and swords were made for other purposes. The Scotish Claymore was designed to be a cleaving weapon. It was sharp and could slash, but it was made to deliver one devestating blow and end a fight. It was slow, and unwieldy, but if it connected you were fucked.
Move to Spanish Rapiers and foils and you have a weapon that is designed for speed and precision, and was used more to stab to inflict damage.
A trained swordsman with his sword (whatever it is) is a deadly foe. I can tell you I never want to be a sword fight, which is why I'd be the guy to bring a gun to a knife fight.
Those that live by the sword get shot by those that don't.
He bitches that others say Japanese swords are superior, but then he says European swords are better.
All regions had some excellent sword makers and excellent examples of their work exist to this day. The Japanese Katana's, and other weapons were made smaller and lighter due to the Japanese physical stature. Where as the Europeans were larger and could wield larger weapons.
Just because the Europeans had larger weapons does not = better than everyone else. Same as Japanese having lighter faster does not = them being better than everyone else. You could pit a Samurai vs. a European and get different results everytime. It's all about the skill of the swordsman.
A Japanese Katana was not just a sword, it was a work of art. They didn't just smelt some metal and pour a die and polish up a sword. It took a long time to make a sword and make it perfect. Up until WW2 Japanese swords were all made by hand and were almost sacred objects to the owner. In WW2 Japanese Officers carried mass produced swords.
European swords, while some have been made with meticulous care and attention to detail, they were essentially mass produced and made a quickly and cheaply as they could be made.
Fayd is just a fanboy and is incapable of seeing all sides of an issue and see that when it comes to weapons of the past, everyone created amazing works and all had strengths and weaknesses.
Fayd
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read the fucking thread, dumbshit. your points have been proved wrong several times.
my point was that a traditional katana was an inherently weak sword, inferior in terms of durability to a european sword. i've stressed that point with every post i've made in this thread. and that point stands.
as far as pitting europeans vs japanese, it's a function of armor. as the link someone posted stated, ultimately neither person would be able to cut the other. (i have some trouble with that assessment. an axe wielder just goes after joints, and if it's a pickaxe, they make their own penetration points. but whatever.) what it stated is that ultimately it's gonna come down to grappling the other into a position where their weak points are exposed enough for you to jam a tip into their armor.
as far as mass produced vs works of art, it's not entirely true. japanese swordmakers had to cut back on quality as well depending on who the sword was for. but even if we assume that european swordmakers were on average churning out many more swords, it simply speaks to the fact that there was that much more fighting going on, and thus potential for evolution of the sword.
i would not call myself a fanboy. my statement is that blind assumption of a katana's superiority is naive and stupid, especially considering the evidence to the contrary.
btw, a scottish claymore is not as heavy as you think. its use follows the same as a japanese 2 handed sword. that is, for the most part, dismounting cavalry.
FWIW, if i had my choice, my ideal sword would be a short chokuto. (a japanese sword... pay attention..) made with modern steel.
SSSnail
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Fayd
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that's a modern katana with modern steel, you dumbass. you could do the same with any other modern sword of similar quality.
SSSnail
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It's the same steel from the same sand made by the same method, possibly by the same people of the ancestry that made the katanas of old, you dumb shit.
Edit: so there goes out the window of your craptacular argument of "Katanas are crap".
Edit 2: If you really want to carry on this argument, I suggest you go back and ninja edit all your posts in this thread before I make you look silly.
Fayd
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Fayd
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SSSnail
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OK, I didn't want to be an ass, but an asshole was made of me, so here goes.
Quoting your stupid ass "japanese steel IS shit. that's why the whole system of swordsmanship in japan evolved to try to take that into account." Till this day there are still master sword makers and metallurgist using the same choice sand, same smelting methods, forging, sharpening and polishing to make the Katana like it was 800 years ago. These are the descendants of the masters of the same katanas that are made of "shit steel", as you've put it. Check out some videos on youtube, even the Chinese are starting to implement the same techniques in making their katanas and are selling them for >$300, albeit probably not with the same cares as the Japanese do. All you have to do is search for "How the katanas are made", and watch some documentaries.
Another golden quote from you "swordplay in japan focuses very heavily on mobility, so that the swords never meet. if they do meet, then there's a chance that a sword will break. would you risk something worth a shitload of land just to parry?" No you stupid wise and beautiful woman, the sword was made to withstand parry, that's why they blended different metals for different hardness and resiliency. It doesn't just break if you parry with it. The famous Hatorri Hanzo had a katana made especially for him so that the cutting edge would be reversed on his katana, so he wouldn't kill people anymore. What the fuck do you think he did with it? Parry attacks perhaps?
Here's another gem "the forging style of folded steel was done in order to remove impurities, to try to solve the shitty steel problem. it doesnt do so entirely. (though it does make a nice effect on the sword...)". Uh, no. Do you even know why they folded it? It's to increase the structural strength of the steel, not just for look you imbecile. Even though you didn't know what you were saying, partially it was correct that the hammering will drive out impurities.
Quoting from the same idiotic post "the hardening process where the edge is harder than the back is done in order to make the sword stand up better to a parry. again, not a guaranteed. and it makes the reverse edge impossible to sharpen and use as a sword edge. thus, you cant have dual bladed swords." You REALLY have no idea what you're talking about do you? The katana was made with a curve so that when they're on horse back it's easier to slash while running, it was also made for easier slashing because it reduce the area of contact while slashing instead of a straight edge. It was NEVER designed as a double edge sword as you incorrectly though (then again, you haven't thought much through). The Katana was designed so that the samurai, or whoever wielded it, would use momentum in a fight. Most of it would be circular motion of parrying and attacking in one stroke.
I just don't understand how someone with no knowledge of the katana at all, come in a sword thread and started to rage on about shits he has no clues on. All that craps that I quoted was just from ONE post of yours, after reading that I didn't bother, and posted some videos in jest, but your stupidity insisted. Run along now sword boy, and have a nice fucking weekend.
Quoting your stupid ass "japanese steel IS shit. that's why the whole system of swordsmanship in japan evolved to try to take that into account." Till this day there are still master sword makers and metallurgist using the same choice sand, same smelting methods, forging, sharpening and polishing to make the Katana like it was 800 years ago. These are the descendants of the masters of the same katanas that are made of "shit steel", as you've put it. Check out some videos on youtube, even the Chinese are starting to implement the same techniques in making their katanas and are selling them for >$300, albeit probably not with the same cares as the Japanese do. All you have to do is search for "How the katanas are made", and watch some documentaries.
Another golden quote from you "swordplay in japan focuses very heavily on mobility, so that the swords never meet. if they do meet, then there's a chance that a sword will break. would you risk something worth a shitload of land just to parry?" No you stupid wise and beautiful woman, the sword was made to withstand parry, that's why they blended different metals for different hardness and resiliency. It doesn't just break if you parry with it. The famous Hatorri Hanzo had a katana made especially for him so that the cutting edge would be reversed on his katana, so he wouldn't kill people anymore. What the fuck do you think he did with it? Parry attacks perhaps?
Here's another gem "the forging style of folded steel was done in order to remove impurities, to try to solve the shitty steel problem. it doesnt do so entirely. (though it does make a nice effect on the sword...)". Uh, no. Do you even know why they folded it? It's to increase the structural strength of the steel, not just for look you imbecile. Even though you didn't know what you were saying, partially it was correct that the hammering will drive out impurities.
Quoting from the same idiotic post "the hardening process where the edge is harder than the back is done in order to make the sword stand up better to a parry. again, not a guaranteed. and it makes the reverse edge impossible to sharpen and use as a sword edge. thus, you cant have dual bladed swords." You REALLY have no idea what you're talking about do you? The katana was made with a curve so that when they're on horse back it's easier to slash while running, it was also made for easier slashing because it reduce the area of contact while slashing instead of a straight edge. It was NEVER designed as a double edge sword as you incorrectly though (then again, you haven't thought much through). The Katana was designed so that the samurai, or whoever wielded it, would use momentum in a fight. Most of it would be circular motion of parrying and attacking in one stroke.
I just don't understand how someone with no knowledge of the katana at all, come in a sword thread and started to rage on about shits he has no clues on. All that craps that I quoted was just from ONE post of yours, after reading that I didn't bother, and posted some videos in jest, but your stupidity insisted. Run along now sword boy, and have a nice fucking weekend.
Fayd
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i'll bother with the rest of your post tomorrow. being that it's 1:00 AM, i'm tired, so whatever. but for now, i'll just say this.
you've been reading way too much rurouni kenshin.
the sakabato is NOT A REAL SWORD, you dumb shit. there's no examples in history of a reverse edged katana ever actually being made. (one could theorize that maybe one or two had been made as a study in swordplay, but i highly doubt it. anyone with half a brain would see the inherent flaw in such a design.
beyond that, hattori hanzo was a swordsman and military commander, not a fucking swordmaker. he never crafted a sword in his life.
Babbles
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I just skimmed this thread - usually I avoid these, but I'm bored.
Anyhow, I bolded the part in question because that is not necessarily true. For a few years I studied kenjutsu - that would essentially be the "samurai katana" stuff in question - and there is indeed a parry of sorts where you do use the back of the sword to parry the attacker away and down from you. You then use the momentum of the attack on the back of your sword to swing into an arc back around at them. I can not remember the name of the technique; I haven't practiced in 4 or so years since I moved so my memory is a bit hazy now.
Furthermore to say there is no blocking is a bit silly. Granted stopping an attacker's blow with the edge of one's own sword will likely screw up the edge or even break the sword, keep in mind that jacked-up-sword > being dead.
Fayd
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meh, i skim read anyways.
no, no it isnt. and from what i can tell, tetsuaiga isnt either. you're a fucking moron. stop watching anime, it's taking over your view of reality.
only japanese sword i can remember mentioned in anime that has a legendary background would be kusanagi. i'm sure there are others, but that's the only one that comes to mind.
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