Anyone in Phoenix noticed more chem trails then usual?

[Gibsons]

Originally posted by: queenrobot

Originally posted by: JakwoW

Originally posted by: darkswordsman17

Originally posted by: queenrobot
Con trails, Chemtrails, whatever you want to call them Whatever they are or aren't, they have been appearing more and more over the past few weeks. That was the purpose of this thread.

My husband found this: ?

I am open to any logical explanation.

OMG, you have a youtube video showing stuff being exhausted out of a jet. Of course if you read the info the guy who posted the video is making fun of you believers.

I'm waiting for the typical posters to show up and blow this thread wide open with their "facts", or more likely after getting their asses handed to them try to somehow turn it into a JFK moon landing conspiracy thread. I've figured out the 9/11 government conspiracy. The planes were filled with this chemtrail shit and then they flew them into the buildings. Remember all the dust from when the buildings collapsed? Yeah, that was all chemtrail stuff, because neither steel nor concrete nor anything else in the buildings would turn into or give off dust after crumbling to bits. New York is perfect because of the high density of people. In fact, I bet they pumped the entire building full of the shit before blowing it up, and that's why there's just that one guy claiming bombs in the building. He obviously was immune to it, maybe because he'd built up a tolerance to it from the repeated abductions.

Logical explanation: (if you click on the more info link on the video's page)

"Chemtrails for mind controll have been used for years. Here is a leaked video of a DOD contractor 747 cought in the act over the midwest. Now if you make it this far into this text you will now learn that its nothing more than a plane dumping fuel. The fuel will dispurse and evaporate before hitting the ground. Mabey its just water for a fire..who knows ! Conspirecey nuts...you been punked !"

Even if a plane is just dumping fuel, that concerns me as well.

They do it a lot, the large airliners are much more difficult to land with a full fuel load.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: Scouzer
lol... people who subscribe to this theory are dumber than a sack of bricks.

1) they are called contrails
2) when contrails spread out to form cloud, that's called cirrus (or occasionally cirro cumulus)
3) you're stupid if you think jet engines @ FL410 are spraying down death on you. that's just STUPID.
4) planes are generally fully loaded once the pax and cargo is on board, there's not much room left for mind altering toxins.
5) if planes were flying around to alter weather (plausible) there would be no conspiracy. there are already dozens of weather altering aircraft flying around in north america (to reduce hail). we know about them.

weather control you noob the only one talking about "mind control" is you.

 

[Demon-Xanth]

Originally posted by: queenrobot
Con trails, Chemtrails, whatever you want to call them Whatever they are or aren't, they have been appearing more and more over the past few weeks. That was the purpose of this thread.

My husband found this: ?

I am open to any logical explanation.

It's so nice when people post their own rebuttals. 🙂

Next are you going to ask what the government is putting in our water and air to cause rainbows?

 

[jemcam]

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth

Originally posted by: queenrobot
Con trails, Chemtrails, whatever you want to call them Whatever they are or aren't, they have been appearing more and more over the past few weeks. That was the purpose of this thread.

My husband found this: ?

I am open to any logical explanation.

It's so nice when people post their own rebuttals. 🙂

Next are you going to ask what the government is putting in our water and air to cause rainbows?

Reminds me of something I heard once. Do you know when a woman is about to say something intelligent?

When she starts off the sentence with "A man once told me...."

 

[JakwoW]

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth

Originally posted by: queenrobot
Con trails, Chemtrails, whatever you want to call them Whatever they are or aren't, they have been appearing more and more over the past few weeks. That was the purpose of this thread.

My husband found this: ?

I am open to any logical explanation.

It's so nice when people post their own rebuttals. 🙂

Next are you going to ask what the government is putting in our water and air to cause rainbows?

LOL I forgot about that lady 😀 Link

 

[Scouzer]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Scouzer
lol... people who subscribe to this theory are dumber than a sack of bricks.

1) they are called contrails
2) when contrails spread out to form cloud, that's called cirrus (or occasionally cirro cumulus)
3) you're stupid if you think jet engines @ FL410 are spraying down death on you. that's just STUPID.
4) planes are generally fully loaded once the pax and cargo is on board, there's not much room left for mind altering toxins.
5) if planes were flying around to alter weather (plausible) there would be no conspiracy. there are already dozens of weather altering aircraft flying around in north america (to reduce hail). we know about them.

weather control you noob the only one talking about "mind control" is you.

huh??? there's several references to mind control in this thread

 

[Saga]

Dunno. I'm not usually the type to get all gung-ho over things like this, but something like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wye2YWRohT4&NR=1 still piques my curiosity.

 

[ConstipatedVigilante]

Originally posted by: Izusaga
Dunno. I'm not usually the type to get all gung-ho over things like this, but something like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wye2YWRohT4&NR=1 still piques my curiosity.

Gotta love the conspiracy music on that video. :laugh: But really, if the gov't is putting in mind control, then why does everyone still hate them?

 

[JakwoW]

Originally posted by: Izusaga
Dunno. I'm not usually the type to get all gung-ho over things like this, but something like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wye2YWRohT4&NR=1 still piques my curiosity.

Another video with pictures of planes and "chemtrails". The plane photos are completely out of context and fail at proving anything.

These types of theories have been around for ages. Unfortunately, people don't know how to filter out fact from theory and eat this shit up like gospel. It has gotten way worse with the availability of "information" on the internet. People should be required to take a litmus test before entering the intertoobz.

 

[Glavinsolo]

Originally posted by: JakwoW

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth

Originally posted by: queenrobot
Con trails, Chemtrails, whatever you want to call them Whatever they are or aren't, they have been appearing more and more over the past few weeks. That was the purpose of this thread.

My husband found this: ?

I am open to any logical explanation.

It's so nice when people post their own rebuttals. 🙂

Next are you going to ask what the government is putting in our water and air to cause rainbows?

LOL I forgot about that lady 😀 Link

The oozing

 

[hanoverphist]

Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
I was wondering if you meant "trials" or not...

Yeah, I was wondering wtf a "chem trail" was too. THEY'RE CON TRAILS, YOU CRACKPOTS!

why cant they be energy trails, so we could shorten that to entrails

 

[Glavinsolo]

Well since contrails are condensation trails. and Condensation should dissipate. Anyone have some "real" explanations of what this oozing in our sky really is?

 

[So]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: JakwoW
Crackpot conspiracy theories FTL.

UWNWO.

no crackpot theory at all. its a proven fact that those planes are spraying crap. don't believe me go do your own Google searches there is plenty of evidence out there.

Hehe, good one.
:laugh:

For anyone who seriously believes this shit:
http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4027

 

[So]

Originally posted by: queenrobot

Originally posted by: JakwoW

Originally posted by: darkswordsman17

Originally posted by: queenrobot
Con trails, Chemtrails, whatever you want to call them Whatever they are or aren't, they have been appearing more and more over the past few weeks. That was the purpose of this thread.

My husband found this: ?

I am open to any logical explanation.

OMG, you have a youtube video showing stuff being exhausted out of a jet. Of course if you read the info the guy who posted the video is making fun of you believers.

I'm waiting for the typical posters to show up and blow this thread wide open with their "facts", or more likely after getting their asses handed to them try to somehow turn it into a JFK moon landing conspiracy thread. I've figured out the 9/11 government conspiracy. The planes were filled with this chemtrail shit and then they flew them into the buildings. Remember all the dust from when the buildings collapsed? Yeah, that was all chemtrail stuff, because neither steel nor concrete nor anything else in the buildings would turn into or give off dust after crumbling to bits. New York is perfect because of the high density of people. In fact, I bet they pumped the entire building full of the shit before blowing it up, and that's why there's just that one guy claiming bombs in the building. He obviously was immune to it, maybe because he'd built up a tolerance to it from the repeated abductions.

Logical explanation: (if you click on the more info link on the video's page)

"Chemtrails for mind controll have been used for years. Here is a leaked video of a DOD contractor 747 cought in the act over the midwest. Now if you make it this far into this text you will now learn that its nothing more than a plane dumping fuel. The fuel will dispurse and evaporate before hitting the ground. Mabey its just water for a fire..who knows ! Conspirecey nuts...you been punked !"

Even if a plane is just dumping fuel, that concerns me as well.

LOL! That's the evergreen supertanker. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evergreen_Supertanker

It's a plane that is designed to disperse fire retardant over wildfires.

And if you are worried about a plane dumping fuel, then I suggest you move to a south pacific island, because you inhale much more unburned fuel from cars and trucks than you ever will from planes.

 

[Glavinsolo]

They are dumping nuclear toxic waste since Yucca mountain isn't complete yet.

 

[nerp]

Originally posted by: Glavinsolo
Well since contrails are condensation trails. and Condensation should dissipate. Anyone have some "real" explanations of what this oozing in our sky really is?

Yes. Condensation.

Do some reading on atmospheric pressure, temperature, the weight of water vapor, gravity, wind at high altitude and bouyancy.

It boils down to this: water does not behave they way it does in your bedroom as it does 25,000 feet up in the sky.

Ever see a cloud? Ever watch time lapse video of clouds? You'll notice that they sometimes seem to appear out of nowehere. Sometimes they take forever to move at all. Sometimes they m ove fast. Sometimes they seem to evaporate right before your eyes. Just because you saw one cloud do one thing one day doesn't mean that evey cloud will behave that way for all eternity.

 

[JRich]

I see nothing but clouds today.

 

[So]

Originally posted by: Glavinsolo
Well since contrails are condensation trails. and Condensation should dissipate. Anyone have some "real" explanations of what this oozing in our sky really is?

Yeah! And someone explain these creepy "cloud" things. They're looking damn sinister....damn sinister...

Hell, those "clouds" have been documented all the way back to biblical times -- just more proof that the human race is controlled by a secret cabal of super advanced aliens!

 

[nerp]

What is a contrail made of? Mostly ice, since the primary exhaust emission of a jet aircraft is water vapour, which freezes within a couple of seconds, and forms the visible part of the contrail. If the air is fairly humid, then the contrail can persist for quite a while, and even spread out, turning into a sheet of cloud.

Jet engines also emit the usual things engines emit: carbon dioxide, smoke, and small amounts of unburnt hydrocarbons, oxides of nitrogen, carbon monoxide and small amounts of other things. Aircraft emissions are regulated.

Some people think that if a contrail stays in the sky for a long time, that this is very unusual, and that it means the government is spraying something in the air, either to change the weather, or to poison people. They call these persistent contrails ?chemtrails?

Of course, persistent contrails are nothing new, they have been around at least since the 1940?s - when planes were able to get to sufficient altitude. But some people believe in the ?chemtrail? theory so strongly that they ignore this fact, or they say ?well, SOME of the persistent contrails must be chemtrails?.

One person who was convinced of this was Clifford Carnicom, who put a report on his web site that he said showed that ?contrails? were poisoning the air. What happened was someone called Sue Miller collected three samples of rain and snow. She then sent them to someone called Therese Aigner, who then sent them to a lab to be analyzed for Aluminum, Barium, Calcium, Magnesium, and Titanium.

When the results came back, they detected very low levels of those elements, but Miller said: ?This devastating data points to a deliberate atmospheric release of massive quantities of material containing Aluminum, Barium, Calcium, Magnesium, Calcium, and Titanium.?

Scary stuff. But what do these results actually mean. All three samples were about the same, so lets look at the first one:

Result MDL EPA
Aluminum <0.100 0.100 0.200
Barium 0.100 0.020 2.000
Calcium <1 1 N/A
Magnesium <1 1 N/A
PH Field 7.2 6.5 to 8.5
Titanium <0.050 0.100 N/A

The ?Result? column is the amount the substance found in mg/L (milligrams per liter). The units here are important. Sometimes concentration is measured in ppm (parts per million), which is the same as mg/L. Sometimes they are measured in ppb (parts per billion, so 1 mg/L = 1 ppm = 1000 ppb). Make sure you use the right units when looking at things like this

The second column, the MDL is the ?Method Detection Limit?, defined as the smallest amount where you can be 99% sure that there is a non-zero amount of the substance. If a number is below the MDL, then you can?t be sure that it?s just instrument noise. If something is less than MDL, then you can?t say with any certainly if any of the substance exists. The best you can say is ?there might be some, but we can?t say for sure, but it?s definitely less than the MDL?

The third column (EPA) is one I added for some perspective. It lists the allowable limits for drinking water from the EPA. If the EPA has not set a limit, then I put N/A.

Most of the substances are lower than the MDL, so we can?t really say if there is actually any of these substances in the sample. But the ?chemtrail? people say ?Tests were ordered for several elements that should NOT be present in normal rain/snow?. So is that right? Should the results come back as zero?

There are two problem here. Firstly if there actually WAS zero aluminum in the samples, then the tests would STILL come back as ?less than MDL?, because of ?noise? in the instrument. If an instrument has an MDL level, than means it can?t detect zero values with any confidence.

Secondly, we DO expect these substances in rainwater. Aluminum is the most abundant metal in the earth?s crust, so is found in dust in the air, and hence in rainwater. The EPA says:

Virtually all food, water, air, and soil contain some aluminum
Everyone is exposed to low levels of aluminum from food, air, water, and soil.
The EPA has not set safety limits for aluminum, the limit listed above is for taste and color reasons.

Calcium, likewise, is found in abundance in rocks (and hence airborne dust), as is magnesium and Titanium. There are no EPA limits set, because they are not particularly toxic.

The only substance with a measurable result was Barium. This was present in the samples a concentration that was just 5% of the allowable EPA limits for drinking water. Not a dangerous amount, but should it be found in the air (hence rainfall) at all? The CDC says ?

Barium gets into the air during the mining, refining, and production of barium compounds, and from the burning of coal and oil.
The length of time that barium will last in air, land, water, or sediments depends on the form of barium released.
So yes, barium is in the air, from such things as burning of coal and oil. And seemingly from this test result, not at a dangerous level.

Quickly looking at the pH value - that measures the acidity or alkalinity of a solution, where a value of 7 is considered neutral. Drinking water ranges from 6.5 to 8.5, so the value here of 7.5 is nothing unusual for drinking water. ?Acid rain? for example is defined as having a pH of less than 5.0. But rain is usually slightly acidic (pH of around 5.6) because of the carbon dioxide in the air, however it varies depending on location and atmospheric pollution (and can be has high as 8.5) . In the US rainwater is usually under 5.6, so getting a value of 7.5 is somewhat suspicious. since rainwater pH is constantly being measured, it?s very unlikely that such a high pH would have gone unnoticed. The fact that this one set of sample has a high pH suggests that either the samples were contaminated during collection, or that they were actually ground water, and not rainwater.

http://contrailscience.com/che...analysis-of-contrails/

 

[Glavinsolo]

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: Glavinsolo
Well since contrails are condensation trails. and Condensation should dissipate. Anyone have some "real" explanations of what this oozing in our sky really is?

Yeah! And someone explain these creepy "cloud" things. They're looking damn sinister....damn sinister...

Hell, those "clouds" have been documented all the way back to biblical times -- just more proof that the human race is controlled by a secret cabal of super advanced aliens!

Shrug,

no one watched the sprinkler rainbow video posted in this thread, now I'm a conspiracy theorist, when I was really just trying to make a joke

 

[So]

Originally posted by: Glavinsolo

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: Glavinsolo
Well since contrails are condensation trails. and Condensation should dissipate. Anyone have some "real" explanations of what this oozing in our sky really is?

Yeah! And someone explain these creepy "cloud" things. They're looking damn sinister....damn sinister...

Hell, those "clouds" have been documented all the way back to biblical times -- just more proof that the human race is controlled by a secret cabal of super advanced aliens!

Shrug,

no one watched the sprinkler rainbow video posted in this thread, now I'm a conspiracy theorist, when I was really just trying to make a joke

You've just got to play along and ham it up a little more each time. 😛

 

[waggy]

what i find amusing is that so many say any of the these theories are not true (for the record this one is.). What better way for the government to cover something up then have some nut say that its real. so many jump on these and discount them. what if one were true?

There used to be one that under a popular hotel was a bomb shelter for the government. turns out it was true.

 

[Glavinsolo]

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: Glavinsolo

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: Glavinsolo
Well since contrails are condensation trails. and Condensation should dissipate. Anyone have some "real" explanations of what this oozing in our sky really is?

Yeah! And someone explain these creepy "cloud" things. They're looking damn sinister....damn sinister...

Hell, those "clouds" have been documented all the way back to biblical times -- just more proof that the human race is controlled by a secret cabal of super advanced aliens!

Shrug,

no one watched the sprinkler rainbow video posted in this thread, now I'm a conspiracy theorist, when I was really just trying to make a joke

You've just got to play along and ham it up a little more each time. 😛

Ok ok how about this one

The flu shot has chemicals that activate the chemicals already in you from all those years breathing in chemtrails and you will accept Obama as your personal lord and savior.

 

[Glavinsolo]

Originally posted by: waggy
what i find amusing is that so many say any of the these theories are not true (for the record this one is.). What better way for the government to cover something up then have some nut say that its real. so many jump on these and discount them. what if one were true?

There used to be one that under a popular hotel was a bomb shelter for the government. turns out it was true.

http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=haarp

 

[So]

Originally posted by: waggy
what i find amusing is that so many say any of the these theories are not true (for the record this one is.). What better way for the government to cover something up then have some nut say that its real. so many jump on these and discount them. what if one were true?

There used to be one that under a popular hotel was a bomb shelter for the government. turns out it was true.

I don't think that was ever a secret, or that the possibility would me much disputed by skeptics.

There is a big difference between "there is a big (slightly but not top secret) bunker somewhere in the US"

and

"Tens of thousands of people are engaging in a conspiracy to do X and pull the wool over the eyes of the public"