Waiting for mini-ITX boards as well.
I don't have one, but I walked by some guy that was staring at another guy's shirt that had 'Llano Team' emblazoned upon it.
I do not understand this whole Llano thing. if you need just a basic gpu built in then why not go Sandy Bridge i3? a 2100 i3 cpu performs about the same as the cpu in Llano, is about the price and uses way less power. sure the gpu is stronger in the Llano but only just enough to tease you and is not going to be playing modern games at settings a gamer would like. heck even a dinky gt430 is better than the built in graphics you will get on Llano. feel free to educate me on the benefits of Llano though.
yes but again if someone wants to play modern games at all then they will still want a discrete card. all these graphics do is tease you and make you wish you had a real gpu. sure if you play at 1024x768 or 1280x1024 it will get you by but anybody looking to build a new pc is likely at 1680x1050 or 1920x1080/1200.Llano isn't for enthusiast gamers. It's for casual gamers and people who play older titles.
Have you ever heard of World of Warcraft?
I don't have one, but I walked by some guy that was staring at another guy's shirt that had 'Llano Team' emblazoned upon it.
yes but again if someone wants to play modern games at all then they will still want a discrete card. all these graphics do is tease you and make you wish you had a real gpu. sure if you play at 1024x768 or 1280x1024 it will get you by but anybody looking to build a new pc is likely at 1680x1050 or 1920x1080/1200.
my point was that people likely do not play just WoW and will have some more modern titles they would like to play.him: it's not meant for modern games
you: yes but if modern games are played it won't be good
me: big deal, it's not meant for modern games
I do not understand this whole Llano thing. if you need just a basic gpu built in then why not go Sandy Bridge i3? a 2100 i3 cpu performs about the same as the cpu in Llano, is about the price and uses way less power. sure the gpu is stronger in the Llano but only just enough to tease you and is not going to be playing modern games at settings a gamer would like. heck even a dinky gt430 is better than the built in graphics you will get on Llano. feel free to educate me on the benefits of Llano though.
my point was that people likely do not play just WoW and will have some more modern titles they would like to play.
yes but again if someone wants to play modern games at all then they will still want a discrete card. all these graphics do is tease you and make you wish you had a real gpu. sure if you play at 1024x768 or 1280x1024 it will get you by but anybody looking to build a new pc is likely at 1680x1050 or 1920x1080/1200.
I was only mentioning power in comparing it to the i3. like my parents are casual gamers so the Llano would do nothing more for them except use more power. if they wanted to play real games then I could just build them an i3 pc with a discrete card and still not use much more power than the Llano while having a faster pc for gaming.If people were so concerned about using less power, then why are people still using outdated P4s? Llano isn't targeted towards enthusiasts like us.
yeah I guess it about balances out if that amount of gpu power will get the job done for you.Power consumption difference between i3-2100 and A8-3850 isn't that great:
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=31057&page=5
http://img.hexus.net/v2/cpu/amd/Llano/desktop/OC/PowerI.png
http://img.hexus.net/v2/cpu/amd/Llano/desktop/OC/PowerWP.png
http://img.hexus.net/v2/cpu/amd/Llano/desktop/OC/PowerJC2.png
people likely do not play just WoW