Anyone have a llano rig yet

[Subyman]

I think AMD missed the boat a bit on this one. The gaming potential is marginally better than the i3, but still out of reach of playing modern games. Can you run Doom 3? Sure, but I don't know many casual consumers that want to find that perfect PC to play 10 year old games. I'm not saying there isn't a market for these. It is just really small compared to what it could be. Then again, they have to make the first steps eventually.

For a desktop, there are better options. For a laptop, things get interesting.

 

[Gikaseixas]

For a ITX Box where you just want a cpu and integrated gpu it will be excellent. It will play older games just fine. Many people have old games that they still enjoy.

For people with TV's with a res of 1366x768 it will be more than enough.

 

[ElFenix]

I think AMD missed the boat a bit on this one. The gaming potential is marginally better than the i3, but still out of reach of playing modern games. Can you run Doom 3? Sure, but I don't know many casual consumers that want to find that perfect PC to play 10 year old games. I'm not saying there isn't a market for these. It is just really small compared to what it could be. Then again, they have to make the first steps eventually.

For a desktop, there are better options. For a laptop, things get interesting.

most casual consumers don't purchase the perfect PC for gaming.

 

[Accord99]

Power consumption difference between i3-2100 and A8-3850 isn't that great:

That would depend on the review:

http://www.silentpcreview.com/article1211-page5.html

 

[Bman123]

Exactly why I'm looking at llano prices, I use my 720p 32inch lcd tv on my pc. I have missed out on a shit load of pc games, im talking mw2 and older era of games and llano would run them on my low res.

I started the thread because I want to hear from fellow users what the gaming was like with llano. Im on a old ass pentium d 920 pc and need to upgrade. Llano would fit me good due to what I want to do gaming and htpc wise.

I could get a llano rig, play thru my older pc games while I save money for a decent video card. Im just waiting for microcenter to do the buy amd cpu get a mobo for free deal.

 

[Gikaseixas]

That would depend on the review:

http://www.silentpcreview.com/article1211-page5.html

Why make such an effort (looking for the worse case scenario on the web) when you have a more reliable source here: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4476/amd-a83850-review/9

 

[yottabit]

Although Llano may have fallen a *bit* short of my expectations I am VERY excited for this trend. Nowadays I only really play Wow/SC2 and whatever ends up in the Steam bargain bin (usually ends up being several years old- Fear, etc). I like the idea of having a miniITX platform with integrated graphics that will actually become UPGRADEABLE. I hope this becomes standard.

In my eyes it would greatly increase the value of systems like the Mac Mini and other SFF PC's that don't have discrete graphics if I knew a couple years down the line I could slap in a new APU

I'm debating hopping on the Llano ITX bandwagon as well, although I may wait to see what Ivybridge brings to the table

 

[Subyman]

most casual consumers don't purchase the perfect PC for gaming.

Which is why they wouldn't care for the marginally better graphics performance of the Llano.

My point was, the only fit are for people that want to play 10 year old games. I don't know anyone that goes looking for a computer to fit that need. A gamer will want a discrete graphics card. A mainstream consumer will want whatever is at best buy or a dell special. The only people that will specially look for a Llano are the niche market of HTPC guys that want to play old games, otherwise they will buy the i3 with quick sync.

AMD fit a low end GPU to a CPU. It's not enough to attract a gamer and mom/pop don't care. A niche market of HTPC guys that want to play Doom 3 may jump.

 

[Subyman]

Exactly why I'm looking at llano prices, I use my 720p 32inch lcd tv on my pc. I have missed out on a shit load of pc games, im talking mw2 and older era of games and llano would run them on my low res.

I started the thread because I want to hear from fellow users what the gaming was like with llano. Im on a old ass pentium d 920 pc and need to upgrade. Llano would fit me good due to what I want to do gaming and htpc wise.

I could get a llano rig, play thru my older pc games while I save money for a decent video card. Im just waiting for microcenter to do the buy amd cpu get a mobo for free deal.

Eh, I would just pick up a used 4870 or 400-series Nvidia for 50 bucks and play mw2 maxed... That's my point. Llano only makes complete sense for a laptop. With a z68, htpc guys can turn on and off the graphics card, using it only when needed.

 

[Mopetar]

my point was that people likely do not play just WoW and will have some more modern titles they would like to play.

I probably don't speak for everyone, but a group of my friends still play WoW and that's the only PC game that any of them play. The rest of their gaming is done on consoles.

Llano is going to make a great chip for some people who want a new notebook that can do some light gaming. It's not going to run Crisis in 1080 or other workloads that most people here expect, but this is an enthusiast forum and the views expressed here really don't align with the majority of the market.

 

[Gikaseixas]

Eh, I would just pick up a used 4870 or 400-series Nvidia for 50 bucks and play mw2 maxed... That's my point. Llano only makes complete sense for a laptop. With a z68, htpc guys can turn on and off the graphics card, using it only when needed.

He uses a 720p TV, why waste money on a 4870 to play at that resolution?

 

[Gikaseixas]

the only fit are for people that want to play 10 year old games

I play COD4 MW (a 4 year old game) on my laptop (see sig) with a Radeon 5650M, i bet you can play that game on Llano.

 

[Subyman]

I play COD4 MW (a 4 year old game) on my laptop (see sig) with a Radeon 5650M, i bet you can play that game on Llano.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-a8-3850-llano,2975-13.html

720P is 1280×720, or about 15% more pixels than the lowest resolution they test at. It seems he would be pushing high 30's with some AA and high 40's with no AA. Playable, I guess. For me, I would have to have a higher FPS to enjoy it. I may be more discerning than the average consumer though haha.

 

[hamunaptra]

Our PC Shop here in portland just got the boards and CPU's in stock. When we put together a Llano system ( plan on demoin it on the salesfloor ) will try to mess around w/ it. =)

 

[toyota]

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-a8-3850-llano,2975-13.html

720P is 1280×720, or about 15% more pixels than the lowest resolution they test at. It seems he would be pushing high 30's with some AA and high 40's with no AA. Playable, I guess. For me, I would have to have a higher FPS to enjoy it. I may be more discerning than the average consumer though haha.

that's MW2 which is certainly more demanding than the first.

 

[Subyman]

that's MW2 which is certainly more demanding than the first.

I wasn't talking about the first though. Bman123 explicitly said MW2 in his post. Gik brought up MW1, but we weren't talking about it.

 

[Bman123]

I will mainly be playing cod4 but until I.hear from a actual member here I won't buy it. If it can't run cod4 good then ill just buy something different. I really like llano because it is a good step forward and I can't wait to see how it will be a few years from now

 

[Arkaign]

He uses a 720p TV, why waste money on a 4870 to play at that resolution?

He might find himself wishing for more of a constant 60fps+ feeling, or he may want to give the next COD game a try. He might even decide to check out BF3 if it turns out to be as epic as it might be. Who knows, but much like my attitude on firearms, bigger is usually better

Prices as they stand, it makes no sense for a desktop buyer who wants to game to buy a Llano, unless they *have* to have an itx box with no discrete card at all. Which would end up pretty disappointing if you can only play older titles at low resolutions/etc. Same $$ can buy a much more powerful PhII rig with a better GPU, although you do miss out on USB3 with the affordable mobos afaik. That's a cheap remedy for those who care though, with $20ish PCIe cards for that purpose.

Now throw MC deals/stacking rebates/etc into the mix, and it starts looking more attractive, as in the scenario below where someone mentions being able to get by on it until they can afford a real GPU. I'm thinking around $120-$160 AR for a mobo/llano, and that's a pretty good entry point. At $220-$240, it's just too much when you consider the performance you give up compared to even a GPU from a couple gens back like a 4870. Hell people have been linking to GTX460s AR in the rough $100-$110 range, that's like a supercharged V8 compared to the LLano's 1.5L i4, or the Intel HD integrated's moped.

 

[Arkaign]

I will mainly be playing cod4 but until I.hear from a actual member here I won't buy it. If it can't run cod4 good then ill just buy something different. I really like llano because it is a good step forward and I can't wait to see how it will be a few years from now

It's promising, and I think as drivers/chipsets/and especially new variants of the tech evolve, that it will encompass the needs of more and more users. Even this first one is decent once the price is right.

 

[toyota]

I will mainly be playing cod4 but until I.hear from a actual member here I won't buy it. If it can't run cod4 good then ill just buy something different. I really like llano because it is a good step forward and I can't wait to see how it will be a few years from now

it will easily run the first CoD4 MW just fine as you see even MW2 was not bad at all even on highest settings with no AA at around your res.

 

[Subyman]

He can always add a discrete card if he finds the performance lacking as well.

 

[qliveur]

Doesn't Intel GMA HD still have that stupid bug where it can't play 23.9x FPS video without juddering?

If so, that alone makes Llano more attractive for HTPC.

 

[richierich1212]

Why make such an effort (looking for the worse case scenario on the web) when you have a more reliable source here: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4476/amd-a83850-review/9

exactly. Of course prime95 and furmark are horrible power consumption tests, especially comparing an intel dual-core vs. amd quad.

 

[RobertPters77]

I was thinking about it. But AMD should have done a few things different with it.

1. All Desktop Llano's should have 400 radeon cores standard. Dual-Core, Quad-Core, Hexa-Core(If it ever comes to that). I don't care. Having that much GPU horsepower on even the slowest duallys would've been a major Marketing and Mindshare boost.

2. Dual Graphics should have atleast went up the 68xx series. 69xx is forgivable because it's not very likely that someone who spends 150$ on an APU will spend another 350$ on a gpu. The 6750 is only 35$ more than the 6670.

3. It's still not an upgrade for current Core 2 & K10 users. If first gen Llano had Bulldozer based cores, then Hell Yeah! I'd upgrade from my current K10 right away.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Doesn't Intel GMA HD still have that stupid bug where it can't play 23.9x FPS video without juddering?

If so, that alone makes Llano more attractive for HTPC.

Did you see the AT article on Llano for HTPC? It has some flaws as well. It works well, but it's not perfect either, unfortunately.

And the current lack of mini-ITX boards make me want an i3-2100.