Anyone getting tired of this traitor yet?

[CPA]

Originally posted by: Crazee

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Crazee
Whether you think Chavez is a dangerous man is immaterial. We are not at war with them, we don't have embargos on them like Cuba. They are not our enemy so it cannot be collaboration just because you don't like it :roll:

he's in bed with Castro. it's just a matter of time before his hate for the United States comes to a head.

read what he has to say about our President, our government, our people. he is not a person Sheehan should be getting involved with no matter how much she wants to blame Bush for her son's death.

I have read what he has said about our President, our government and our people. I know he has relations with Castro as do many other countries. Again all immaterial until sanctions or war are declared. He and the country of Venezuela are not enemies of the US.

Pat Robertson called for Chavez's assassination so he is a dangerous man. If that is the case should we exile or threaten to put his congregation in shackles because they are associating with a dangerous man?

If people would stop overreacting to crap like this it would fade away. By reacting like this it only keeps the person you don't like in the limelight longer.

And Robertson got raked over the coals and apologized for it. I guess Robertson doesn't get the benefit of freedom of speech, huh?

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: Crazee

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Crazee
Whether you think Chavez is a dangerous man is immaterial. We are not at war with them, we don't have embargos on them like Cuba. They are not our enemy so it cannot be collaboration just because you don't like it :roll:

he's in bed with Castro. it's just a matter of time before his hate for the United States comes to a head.

read what he has to say about our President, our government, our people. he is not a person Sheehan should be getting involved with no matter how much she wants to blame Bush for her son's death.

I have read what he has said about our President, our government and our people. I know he has relations with Castro as do many other countries. Again all immaterial until sanctions or war are declared. He and the country of Venezuela are not enemies of the US.

Pat Robertson called for Chavez's assassination so he is a dangerous man. If that is the case should we exile or threaten to put his congregation in shackles because they are associating with a dangerous man?

If people would stop overreacting to crap like this it would fade away. By reacting like this it only keeps the person you don't like in the limelight longer.

And Robertson got raked over the coals and apologized for it. I guess Robertson doesn't get the benefit of freedom of speech, huh?

IIRC Robertson called for the assassination of a foreign leader. When did anyone else do that?

Keep things in context.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: DAGTA
I don't agree with her extremist actions and such but I wonder how any of you would act and feel if your child died in a pointless war started by the world's biggest terrorist.

You mean the war started by Bin Laden? No, I wouldn't be upset at all.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: DAGTA
Yes, I agree.

But there's the other side, too. When you enter the military it is with the trust that your commanding officers will be responsible for their actions and for the people under their command. Lying to get into a war over oil is hardly the actions of a trustworthy commander in chief.

I don't think it was about oil. I think it was a PR war. We haven't found Bin Laden, so we needed a victory against "terrorism." Hence the unprecedented access given to the media. Ultimately I think we did a good thing by removing Saddam, but I think Bush lied about his reasons.

 

[DAGTA]

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: DAGTA
I don't agree with her extremist actions and such but I wonder how any of you would act and feel if your child died in a pointless war started by the world's biggest terrorist.

You mean the war started by Bin Laden? No, I wouldn't be upset at all.

And we sure spent a lot of time focusing on Bin Laden before turning to Iraq, didn't we?

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: DAGTA
Yes, I agree.

But there's the other side, too. When you enter the military it is with the trust that your commanding officers will be responsible for their actions and for the people under their command. Lying to get into a war over oil is hardly the actions of a trustworthy commander in chief.

I don't think it was about oil. I think it was a PR war. We haven't found Bin Laden, so we needed a victory against "terrorism." Hence the unprecedented access given to the media. Ultimately I think we did a good thing by removing Saddam, but I think Bush lied about his reasons.

tell me how he lied.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: DAGTA

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: tommywishbone
Her son is dead because the president of the United States is a liar, a thief, and a madman. I say... cut her some slack.

facts to support accusations?

and lest you forget her son signed up voluntarily to be in the military knowing he could go to war.

thank you mosh. i hate when anti-war activists speak of soldiers as our "kids, boys/girls"

that person's son/daughter made the conscious and voluntary decision to enter the US armed forces, KNOWING that death is a certain possibility should they be called to serve. these people are adults, not kids.

sorry for the rant, that excuse of an argument gets me so much:|:|:|

Yes, I agree.

But there's the other side, too. When you enter the military it is with the trust that your commanding officers will be responsible for their actions and for the people under their command. Lying to get into a war over oil is hardly the actions of a trustworthy commander in chief.

that is true - the commander in chief should make good decisions. is bush really going after oil? i don't anyone can say with 100% certainty, especially if you look up our oil/petroleum importers (3 of the top 15 countries from which the US imports are in the middle east. Canada is #1 for petroleum imports)

 

[rahvin]

Lol, the premise of this thread is just insanely funny. I think what she did was particularly distastefull but the OP's call for a charge of treason is so insanely stupid it's hard to even take it seriously. Well he claims to have majored in history and politics so he can't be very smart.

 

[DVK916]

Just ignore her. The more you talk about her, good or bad the more she will act up. She is like a troll, and when you pay attention to trolls they never go away.

 

[computeerrgghh]

:disgust: Ah yes, you're either with us or you're not right?

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: mugs
I don't think it was about oil. I think it was a PR war. We haven't found Bin Laden, so we needed a victory against "terrorism." Hence the unprecedented access given to the media. Ultimately I think we did a good thing by removing Saddam, but I think Bush lied about his reasons.

tell me how he lied.

I said I think he lied. It's a belief, not a statement of unequivocal fact. If you want to find Bush's lies, google is your friend.

 

[mchammer]

P&N

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: mugs
I don't think it was about oil. I think it was a PR war. We haven't found Bin Laden, so we needed a victory against "terrorism." Hence the unprecedented access given to the media. Ultimately I think we did a good thing by removing Saddam, but I think Bush lied about his reasons.

tell me how he lied.

I said I think he lied. It's a belief, not a statement of unequivocal fact. If you want to find Bush's lies, google is your friend.

so, tell me how you "think" he lied.

 

[mchammer]

Originally posted by: mchammer
P&N

P&N

 

[Captante]

Originally posted by: mchammer

Originally posted by: mchammer
P&N

P&N

Please take this garbage back to P&N where you came from... theres a reason many folks don't bother visiting that hell-pit & pointless opinionated debates like this illustrate it nicely.

 

[UncleWai]

Originally posted by: mchammer

Originally posted by: mchammer
P&N

P&N

PWN

 

[tnitsuj]

Feinstein is a tool. I hope Sheehan wins against her.

 

[PrinceofWands]

I'm much more tired of the pitiful dweebs that call her and other non-neocons traitor. Anyone who says such things is effectively calling for a fascist or dictatorial regime, much like the ones they supposedly support US involvement to overthrow. If you want to take away the freedoms to think, speak, and dissent, it's you who need to move. Perhaps Iran would be more to your liking.

Knowing the comprehension skills of most people who make such posts, I should summarize that for you:

Piss off.

 

[ultimatebob]

I pity her son. He was probably a good soldier, but she really drug his name through the mud.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: mugs
I don't think it was about oil. I think it was a PR war. We haven't found Bin Laden, so we needed a victory against "terrorism." Hence the unprecedented access given to the media. Ultimately I think we did a good thing by removing Saddam, but I think Bush lied about his reasons.

tell me how he lied.

I said I think he lied. It's a belief, not a statement of unequivocal fact. If you want to find Bush's lies, google is your friend.

so, tell me how you "think" he lied.

"Misled" is probably a better term. Where are the WMD's again? Oh, that's right, they never found any. :thumbsdown:

 

[zoiks]

Originally posted by: tnitsuj
Feinstein is a tool. I hope Sheehan wins against her.

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: ultimatebob
I pity her son. He was probably a good soldier, but she really drug his name through the mud.

 

[fire400]

does whatever she wants, it's a "free country"

 

[arod]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: tangent1138

Originally posted by: Winchester
Textbook Traitor

She should not ever be allowed back on American soil except when being immediately placed in shackles.

Actually, I'm tired of people like you-- people who don't understand that being an American means having FREEDOM OF SPEECH.

She disagrees with you. Get over it.

so in other words you don't think the OP should have freedom of speech?

exactly

 

[RCN]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: mugs
I don't think it was about oil. I think it was a PR war. We haven't found Bin Laden, so we needed a victory against "terrorism." Hence the unprecedented access given to the media. Ultimately I think we did a good thing by removing Saddam, but I think Bush lied about his reasons.

tell me how he lied.

I said I think he lied. It's a belief, not a statement of unequivocal fact. If you want to find Bush's lies, google is your friend.

so, tell me how you "think" he lied.

"Misled" is probably a better term. Where are the WMD's again? Oh, that's right, they never found any. :thumbsdown:

As I said (on this forum) a week into the Iraq war and during the "buildup" there would be no WMDs found. The idea that they would be is somewhat retarded. Too much time to move the to Syria or Iran. Not that I would expect 180000 troops (max) to find a hidden dump in an area almost the size of TX.

WMDs were never of any imortance anyway. Well except to win popular opinion toward the war. Would it have been a bonus if we ran across a few? Sure. It (war in Iraq) is first and foremost a staging area for democracy in the ME and of equal importance a staging area for the war (cold or hot) with Iran.

Did we fvck up in the invasion of Iraq (not initial)? Sure. The end result will be the same though the current situation does complicate matters.