Anyone else VERY underwhelmed with Llano's GPU performance?

[Rifter]

So i was actually hoping Llano would perform alot better than in Anands review. Not because i was going to buy one personally for gaming but because i build alot of machines for family that i thought it would be good for, for casual gaming at a decent res(everyone has 1080P display nowdays, anand testing it at 1024 and 1280 was stupid IMO).

I remember when it was first announced and everyone was saying its going to kill the low end discreet market, not going to happen when a $35 GT 240 beats it, sometimes by a large margin.

I dunno if i just had higher hopes but untill on die GPU's hit 5770 level of performance i dont see the low end discreet market going anywhere, this thing is alot faster than SB graphics but that isnt saying much.

Anyone who plays any kind of 3d game made in the last 3 years is still going to need more horsepower to play at 1080P.

I want to see some higher res benchmarks but i think we are going to need to wait till the BD based Llano at least till the low end discreet market has to worry about anything.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

This has got to be one of the most retarded posts I have ever heard. It was well known from A LONG TIME AGO that performance was gonna be between the Radeon HD 5570 and 5670. I don't know what the hell you were expecting, but it's gonna be impossible to cram 5770 performance into something that has a 45W TDP for a die that includes CPU cores, GPU cores, along with other components, and is made on a 32nm process.

The main market for this is people that want to game but don't care about doing so at the highest settings and want good computing performance and battery life. From what I've seen, this represents a lot of people, certainly more than those like you and I that need to play games at 1680x1050 or higher and at max settings with AA. This gets battery life that bests even Sandy Bridge by a very small margin while delivering around 20% less CPU performance than the price comparable SB CPU and around 2x higher GPU performance. The laptops based on this platform will cost from $500 to $700. What else were you expecting for the price? Llano is one of the best microprocessors to have come out recently.


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[Rifter]

did you even read the review? the 5570 kills Llano by 50%+ in most benchamrks.

Edit to add link

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4448/amd-llano-desktop-performance-preview/3

Oh and to answer your question i was actually expecting it to be 5570 performance, not much much lower..

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

did you even read the review? the 5570 kills Llano by 50% in most benchamrks.

Yeah, no it doesn't. Maybe you need an eye check. It's pretty much the exact same speed.

And you conveniently forgot that the Core i7 920 in your link gives the 5570 a huge advantage.

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[Rifter]

are you out of your mind?

READ THE REVIEW LINKED ABOVE


here ill brake it down for you:

crysis 1280

5570 = 93.3
Llano = 63.5


How is that equal?

 

[BD231]

Why would you think a gimped modern GPU would give you HD performance?

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

are you out of your mind?

READ THE REVIEW LINKED ABOVE


here ill brake it down for you:

crysis 1280

5570 = 93.3
Llano = 63.5


How is that equal?

My god, you are such a fucking moron. The Radeon HD 5570 was tested using a Core i7 920 while the Radeon HD 6550D was tested using the A8-3850.

You're clearly trolling. Off into the ignore list.


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[Rifter]

Why would you think a gimped modern GPU would give you HD performance?

because a 5570 will give you barely passabe HD performance, which is what this was supposed to be, when you fall short of barely passable though you end up with what we have now which IMO is prettly useless for HD gaming.

 

[Rifter]

My god, you are such a fucking moron. The Radeon HD 5570 was tested using a Core i7 920 while the Radeon HD 6550D was tested using the A8-3850.

You're clearly trolling. Off into the ignore list.

where did you see that? this review doesnt have a system specs page?

 

[Rifter]

My god, you are such a fucking moron. The Radeon HD 5570 was tested using a Core i7 920 while the Radeon HD 6550D was tested using the A8-3850.

You're clearly trolling. Off into the ignore list.

Also thought i would add, in the case you are correct even though i re-read the review and saw no mention of testbed specs.

If Anand is stacking the benchmarks by testing all the other GPU's with a i7 to make Llano look alot worse than it actually is then thats really bad benchmarking and dishonest not to disclose it in the review. I had assumed all the other GPU's were tested in the Llano system with the Llano GPU disabled, or if thats not possible then with a X4 645. Testing the others with a i7 would be stupid.

 

[Lonyo]

I grabbed some of our most recent GPU testbed data for the Radeon HD 6450 and the Radeon HD 5570

GPU testbed = system with a Core i7 920.

This is only a preview and the motherboard isn't perfect. Putting a discrete card on the motherboard with Llano wouldn't necessarily be indicative of real dGPU performance either if the motherboard has issues. The assumption might also be that any low end card even at low resolutions would be GPU limited and not CPU limited, so whether you use an i7 920 or a Llano processor won't make much difference, since the GPU is the limiting factor most of the time and the CPU doesn't have much impact.

 

[Rifter]

GPU testbed = system with a Core i7 920.

This is only a preview and the motherboard isn't perfect. Putting a discrete card on the motherboard with Llano wouldn't necessarily be indicative of real dGPU performance either if the motherboard has issues. The assumption might also be that any low end card even at low resolutions would be GPU limited and not CPU limited, so whether you use an i7 920 or a Llano processor won't make much difference, since the GPU is the limiting factor most of the time and the CPU doesn't have much impact.

i did see the testbed comment but had assumed it was the same testbed they were using for the Llano CPU(Llano mobo and CPU being used for all GPU's)

Thats retarded testing a GPU on a i7 CPU system against a essentially X4 645 CPU system. They could have at the least tested with a AMD X4 645 CPU for the other GPU's.


However if you are right and the CPU does not really come into play at that res(need to see higher res benchmarks) then im going with the original statement that Llano is very underwhelming and fell very short of the 5570 performance.

 

[GaiaHunter]

The 5570 is also clocked 25% higher than the Llano GPU (750 vs 600).

Considering that the 5570 is running on an i7-920 it is surprising how close in performance it is to the discrete card.

 

[toyota]

The 5570 is also clocked 25% higher than the Llano GPU (750 vs 600).

Considering that the 5570 is running on an i7-920 it is surprising how close in performance it is to the discrete card.

why would that be surprising? if anything I am surprised how much the i7 helps out over a 645 X4 cpu with a lowly card like the 5570.

 

[Rifter]

why would that be surprising? if anything I am surprised how much the i7 helps out over a 645 X4 cpu with a lowly card like the 5570.

this is why i want to see higher res benches, to see if the i7 is helping alot at that res and how well the Llano will scale to higher res.

 

[Arkadrel]

this is why i want to see higher res benches, to see if the i7 is helping alot at that res and how well the Llano will scale to higher res.

Well duh... the i7 is clearly boosting the scores by alot, because of the low resolution.

Anyways without a discrete GPU added into the mix, the Llano is still doing x2 performance or so of the Sandy Bridge iGPUs, when gameing.


Much better aniso filtering when compared to the CPU/GPU competition from Intel (image quality):

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Processors/AMD-Llano-APU-Review/Product-Position-and-Graphics-Engine

Intel HD3000 on the left, Llano IGP on the right.


If you had the choice between a Llano Laptop or a SandyBridge Laptop (without a discrete in it), then the Llano is clearly the better choice for gameing (better performance). And for Image quality with video playback, or while gameing.









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Also note that the Llano that Anandtech is reviewing is a 35w APU (1.5ghz), that uses DDR-1333.

Desktop versions will come out in the 2.5ghz range, and you ll be able to put DDR3-1866 in it.

There is a desktop version overclocked to 3.7ghz that shows a Llano scoreing 6200+ points in 3Dmark Vantage (with a overclocked iGPU and CPU@3.7ghz).
(i could only find a pic of the 6120 score, but theres one thats nearly 6300 out there too)

I believe a Sandybridge gets like ~2500 score with its iGPU, in 3Dmark Vantage.

source:
http://www.techpowerup.com/147353/AMD-A-Series-APU-Smashes-IGP-Performance-Records...Surprise.html

 

[Lonbjerg]

Anyone suprised should lay off the coolaid.

Anyone promoting this for REAL world gaming should be flogged.
IGP or APU...dosn't matter....gaming requires a GPU.

Unless you like SD gaming on low with no AA/AF...in which case I would recommend you boardgames.

 

[darkewaffle]

The GPU (general?) test bed has been the i7 920 rig for at least a year already, I don't know why anyone was expecting otherwise. The problem with benching an APU is you're essentially trying to bench a new GPU and a new CPU at the same time, and there's a reason nobody ever does that normally.

 

[Rifter]

Anyone suprised should lay off the coolaid.

Anyone promoting this for REAL world gaming should be flogged.
IGP or APU...dosn't matter....gaming requires a GPU.

Unless you like SD gaming on low with no AA/AF...in which case I would recommend you boardgames.

You have to admit if it did hit 5570 numbers it would be barely passable with low/med settings even at 720p or 1080p.

However since it doesnt seem to be the case they still have a long way to go.

 

[Rifter]

The GPU (general?) test bed has been the i7 920 rig for at least a year already, I don't know why anyone was expecting otherwise. The problem with benching an APU is you're essentially trying to bench a new GPU and a new CPU at the same time, and there's a reason nobody ever does that normally.

I would expect them to make it fair, IE all GPU's tested on same CPU(what CPU is irrelevent as long as its the same for all GPU)

 

[GaiaHunter]

why would that be surprising? if anything I am surprised how much the i7 helps out over a 645 X4 cpu with a lowly card like the 5570.

Maybe because the bandwidth is shared?

The TDP of a 5570 is the same as the whole APU. Something that consumes at least twice more power being twice as fast seems normal.

 

[Lonbjerg]

You have to admit if it did hit 5570 numbers it would be barely passable with low/med settings even at 720p or 1080p.

However since it doesnt seem to be the case they still have a long way to go.

Woulda, shoulda, coulda...meh performance is meh performance...call it IGP or APU, dosn't matter....meh performance.

PR hype...like I expected.

 

[darkewaffle]

I would expect them to make it fair, IE all GPU's tested on same CPU(what CPU is irrelevent as long as its the same for all GPU)

...they are, within reason. I really doubt anyone cares if they go back and re-test a 3870 with an i7, and I wish you the best of luck benching a Llano GPU on an i7.

 

[Genx87]

Not overly surprised. Yes it beats Sandybridge in graphics but who cares? It fails miserably against it in CPU. The bandwdith starved GPU will hurt this platform when it comes to graphics. The integrated GPU will hurt it when it comes to thermals on the CPU side. It is in the no mans land like I expected. Filling a niche that doesnt need to truely be filled(low end gaming). But I will say it is nice to have one of the companies moving it forward. At least provide a higher baseline for mobile gaming.

 

[notty22]

What speed memory issue/debate is not realistic. Who would buy 1866 memory for a desktop and pair it with a cpu like this ?
There is a premium for that speed memory that would make no sense in this platform. Also , I would not expect any mobile vendor to include anything faster than 1333. Which is probably the 'standard' drivers are built/tested on .