Anyone else sitting this round out?

[Dribble]

So now we equate RTX with Ray Tracing?

To your information RTX tech IS proprietary. Ray Tracing is not. And right now, who offers the only RTX GPUs on the market? Hence why currently, Ray Tracing is proprietary in gaming.

DXR is the standard all the games are using. It can and will be supported by AMD and Intel. They just don't want to do it yet because their cards would be rubbish at it. However one day you will be playing all the current ray traced games on a AMD card just fine.

 

[DrMrLordX]

They just don't want to do it yet because their cards would be rubbish at it.

Well, to be fair, the first-gen RTX cards from nVidia were also rubbish at it.

 

[BenSkywalker]

AMD refusing to support the industry standard is why ray tracing support is exclusive amongst GPUs right now.

It is nothing remotely close to resembling proprietary, seriously, that is comical levels of propaganda to say otherwise.

If their customers demand they support the industry standard instead of spewing lies about ray tracing being proprietary, maybe it would no longer be exclusive.

 

[SKORPI0]

Had a Gtx 660, 7970 crossfire, r9 290x crossfire.. now a EVGA 1080ti ftw3 I bought at the flea market. I tend to buy used older generation graphic cards since the prices for new ones is ridiculous.

 

[maddie]

AMD refusing to support the industry standard is why ray tracing support is exclusive amongst GPUs right now.

It is nothing remotely close to resembling proprietary, seriously, that is comical levels of propaganda to say otherwise.

If their customers demand they support the industry standard instead of spewing lies about ray tracing being proprietary, maybe it would no longer be exclusive.

"spewing lies about ray tracing being proprietary"

Practicing your strawman much?

 

[DrMrLordX]

AMD refusing to support the industry standard is why ray tracing support is exclusive amongst GPUs right now.

Maybe AMD knows better than to support a cosmetic feature that likely reduces gaming performance to a slideshow on their existing GPU lineup in lab tests? Just a thought.

If their customers demand they support the industry standard instead of spewing lies about ray tracing being proprietary, maybe it would no longer be exclusive.

AMD has so few customers in the dGPU space right now that them "spewing lies" has almost no impact on . . . anything, really. You want to know what user opinions (if any) shape the future of hardware and software development? Nvidia user opinions.

 

[BenSkywalker]

If only AMD had released new hardware since the launch of Turing......

The fact that they don't have hardware for the industry standard is their choice. Refusing to support the industry standard in any way says a lot about who they are as a company.

 

[DrMrLordX]

The fact that they don't have hardware for the industry standard is their choice.

Since they want to actually promote features that customers care about, they spent their R&D/transistor budgets elsewhere.

 

[BenSkywalker]

So are you saying AMD will have more customers this round than nVidia? If that's what you think customers want, and ignoring advanced features they are cheaper at a given tier, how badly will they outsell nVidia?

 

[bigboxes]

I'm maxing everything out with the 1080 Ti. Unless I upgrade my monitor, what's the point?

 

[mohit9206]

I'm maxing everything out with the 1080 Ti. Unless I upgrade my monitor, what's the point?

I don't think the question was for you. I don't expect any Pascal owners to upgrade to Turing, it doesn't make any sense unless one is going from something like 1060 to 2070S or some big upgrade like that

 

[bigboxes]

I don't think the question was for you. I don't expect any Pascal owners to upgrade to Turing, it doesn't make any sense unless one is going from something like 1060 to 2070S or some big upgrade like that

Of course the question is for me. I was just saying that I have no reason to upgrade. It's just not worth it just for ray tracing. I can only speak for myself. Everyone has different hardware and different usage requirements.

 

[nOOky]

Want me to buy the next gen? Somebody make a monitor between 1440p and 4K resolution. 4K is still not acceptable performance and won't be with another 25% performance. 1440p is too little vertical resolution for everything but games.

Before that happens I'll stick to my 1600p 60hz setup with possibly a 1440p 144hz secondary gaming monitor.

There's no motivation whatsoever for me to upgrade. I'd take a 1700/1800p 16:10 or 16:9 monitor with 100hz+ and *sync but nobody is making one.

This should be a monster if you can afford it: https://www.lg.com/us/monitors/lg-38GL950G-B-gaming-monitor

I won't upgrade until I see roughly twice the performance, incremental upgrades every year just aren't worth it especially since games I play don't really require it.

 

[DrMrLordX]

So are you saying AMD will have more customers this round than nVidia?

No. nVidia has faster cards overall and too many blind loyalists. AMD would have to beat them solidly in raw performance for 2-3 years straight to start really picking up market share. It's not clear AMD even wants to commit the resources necessary to do such a thing. AMD supporting DXR with their own proprietary backend in dGPUs will net them somewhere in the ballpark of 0 PC customers. I suspect AMD is claiming DXR support on the next gen consoles so that developers can support DXR on console titles and PC ports from a single codebase (instead of rolling out non-DXR capable console games and then adding in DXR support for the PC ports).

 

[Midwayman]

I suspect AMD is claiming DXR support on the next gen consoles so that developers can support DXR on console titles and PC ports from a single codebase (instead of rolling out non-DXR capable console games and then adding in DXR support for the PC ports).

Probably so they can make MS foot the bill for DXR development. MS has that whole games run on both xbox and PC initiative.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Probably so they can make MS foot the bill for DXR development. MS has that whole games run on both xbox and PC initiative.

That is another possibility.

 

[jpiniero]

It definitely looks like both consoles have proper HW acceleration for RT. And so will Navi 20. That's likely when you will see AMD enable DXR in their drivers.

 

[Gunbuster]

Meh maybe I'm just getting old. Recently updated to a Vega 56 for around $230. Coming from a GTX 770 it Plays Ace Combat 7 and Lego Jurassic World with my daughter just fine even at 4k. Cant imagine having paid something like $1300+ for 2080Ti for the similar experience...

 

[ultimatebob]

I already have a GeForce 1060 which plays most games at 1440p at High settings without issue.

So, yeah, I'll wait until they have an affordable (under $250) card that can do the same at 4K.

 

[Justinbaileyman]

Yeah I think I made a good budget choice just getting a GTX 1660 TI for around $250.
I would love to get a RX 5700 XT AIB or GTX 2070 Super, but refuse to pay more then $350.
Prices are just getting way to outta hand right now and like the post above me says the 1060 plays just fine and the 1660 is a pretty good step up from that card.
So I can already play games at 4k pretty well and at 1440p amazingly well.
I would love to see something like a GTX 1660 TI Super with 8GB instead of 6GB and a few more cores with a tad bit higher clock for maybe $25-$50 more.
Hey one can dream... right??

 

[mohit9206]

Yeah I think I made a good budget choice just getting a GTX 1660 TI for around $250.
I would love to get a RX 5700 XT AIB or GTX 2070 Super, but refuse to pay more then $350.
Prices are just getting way to outta hand right now and like the post above me says the 1060 plays just fine and the 1660 is a pretty good step up from that card.
So I can already play games at 4k pretty well and at 1440p amazingly well.
I would love to see something like a GTX 1660 TI Super with 8GB instead of 6GB and a few more cores with a tad bit higher clock for maybe $25-$50 more.
Hey one can dream... right??

Man i feel the same, 1660Ti looks pretty good, bang in that sweet spot range, but that 6gb feels a little bit stingy although its still way better than the $800 people paid for that horrible 8gb Nvidia card that shouldn't be named.
Although there is always a thought of whether to save another 100 and get the 8gb 580 although 1660ti is still decent.

 

[fleshconsumed]

Yeah I think I made a good budget choice just getting a GTX 1660 TI for around $250.
I would love to get a RX 5700 XT AIB or GTX 2070 Super, but refuse to pay more then $350.
Prices are just getting way to outta hand right now and like the post above me says the 1060 plays just fine and the 1660 is a pretty good step up from that card.
So I can already play games at 4k pretty well and at 1440p amazingly well.
I would love to see something like a GTX 1660 TI Super with 8GB instead of 6GB and a few more cores with a tad bit higher clock for maybe $25-$50 more.
Hey one can dream... right??

Hrm... If $350 is your price point, 5700XT Sapphire Pulse is supposed to be $410, I feel if you waiting just a few more months until the end of the year you could have gotten one on sale. 1660Ti is a pretty poor value along with all the rest of current nVidia generation.

 

[Justinbaileyman]

Hrm... If $350 is your price point, 5700XT Sapphire Pulse is supposed to be $410, I feel if you waiting just a few more months until the end of the year you could have gotten one on sale. 1660Ti is a pretty poor value along with all the rest of current nVidia generation.

How do you figure $250 for a top model 1660 ti is a poor value may I ask??
It games at 4k and 1440p plus plays all the UHD Blu-rays I can throw at it and takes like half the power or less to run Vs. say a 2060, 2070 super and rx 5700 xt!!
The only down side I can think of is that darn 6gb of V-ram.
I could care less about Ray tracing for now as that wont even be a real thing for another year or two and by then I will have the next best thing out which will run circles round the current stuff.
$100-$150 more for the RX 5700 xt or the 2060 super is a bad value in my opinion!!
Or until they start doing game bundles with the cards again which I am a huge sucker for.

 

[Justinbaileyman]

Aren't RX 5800 XT and RX 5900 XT models supposed to be released in like Nov this year sometime??
Maybe that would be more worth waiting for??

 

[DrMrLordX]

Aren't RX 5800 XT and RX 5900 XT models supposed to be released in like Nov this year sometime??
Maybe that would be more worth waiting for??

Thought those would be next year.