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anyone disturbed with a pict of a blk jesus?
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StandardCell
Senior member
The thing that bothers me the most about this thread is not what people believe, but that there are some people who are outright disrespecting and attacking the beliefs of others. You don't believe in Jesus Christ? You don't believe in God? Wonderful. Thanks for stopping by. We've already heard idiotic falsehoods like "Jesus didn't exist" which even objective people should and must appreciate. I wonder if their point is to try to explain their point of view, or to be puposely inflammatory and laugh in glee at the shock and ridicule they dole out. There are also people who have responded to this thread as another convenient platform to discount all religion. The original debate was about what color Jesus was. Not about the validity of Jesus. Not about why YOUR beliefs are right and all Christians are wrong. It was about the color of Jesus, period. Anything else is a non-sequitur.
Christianity makes a wonderful target for some people here in North America. People call it anything from mythology to conspiracy. Funny thing is, if I was to ask them the name of the central figures in the Hindu pantheon, they probably wouldn't know what Hinduism is about, much less know what a pantheon is. Or how about the central concept of Buddhism? Bet you don't know who Buddha was or what he did. What is Taoism? What did Native Americans believe? What's the difference between a philosophy and a religion? I can therefore arrive at the conclusion that people are merely "bucking the establishment" for its own sake, and are choosing to be purposely inflammatory.
Would you make fun of someone who was non-Christian? Would you make inflammatory comments to anyone who believed something different than you? Do you think it's fun to try and anger people? If you answered yes to any of those three questions, then to any intelligent person you have made an ignorant spectacle out of yourself. If you don't like to talk about Jesus, don't talk about him. If you don't like Christians, don't bother responding. If you don't like talking about the best engine option for a 1970 GTOs, don't go into a thread and rag on the GTO as the worst POS car of all time.
In other words, if you don't like something, don't bother posting in a thread about it. Save some bandwidth, save your time, and just forget it. Thanks.
Christianity makes a wonderful target for some people here in North America. People call it anything from mythology to conspiracy. Funny thing is, if I was to ask them the name of the central figures in the Hindu pantheon, they probably wouldn't know what Hinduism is about, much less know what a pantheon is. Or how about the central concept of Buddhism? Bet you don't know who Buddha was or what he did. What is Taoism? What did Native Americans believe? What's the difference between a philosophy and a religion? I can therefore arrive at the conclusion that people are merely "bucking the establishment" for its own sake, and are choosing to be purposely inflammatory.
Would you make fun of someone who was non-Christian? Would you make inflammatory comments to anyone who believed something different than you? Do you think it's fun to try and anger people? If you answered yes to any of those three questions, then to any intelligent person you have made an ignorant spectacle out of yourself. If you don't like to talk about Jesus, don't talk about him. If you don't like Christians, don't bother responding. If you don't like talking about the best engine option for a 1970 GTOs, don't go into a thread and rag on the GTO as the worst POS car of all time.
In other words, if you don't like something, don't bother posting in a thread about it. Save some bandwidth, save your time, and just forget it. Thanks.
Hayabusa Rider
Admin Emeritus & Elite Member
I like cheese. You know a good bleu cheese on a bed of greens is great. Maybe some toasted walnuts too. Balsamic vinigrette as a dressing, although some might prefer a sherry vinegar. It is a bit lighter. You know lots of people like the Maytag bleu. Funny that the same family that makes washing machines also makes some of the finest cheese in the world. Gives you something to think about.
Amused
Elite Member
<< whats up with pict of a wht jesus?
he was nubian, darker skinned type.
ethnocentric white man turns the person who they think to be divine to reflect their own appearance.
typical of christians i suppose. >>
Darker skinned than northern europeans? Almost certainly.
Nubian? I highly doubt it.
Egyptians are lighter skinned than Arabs.
Nubians are black, like Ethiopians.
Some Nubians lived in a part of Egypt.
Arabs moved into Egypt recently and now make up most of the population, sort of like White Settlers make up most of America.
All the evidence suggests that Jesus was not Nubian.
I have not trouble with depictions of a Black Jesus, but when folk try to tell me Moses, Jesus, insert your favorite Biblical figure here, was Black it is ridiculous. BTW, I would have ordered that Black Jesus action figure, but he doesn't look Black.
Anyone have a link to a darker one?
Nubians are black, like Ethiopians.
Some Nubians lived in a part of Egypt.
Arabs moved into Egypt recently and now make up most of the population, sort of like White Settlers make up most of America.
All the evidence suggests that Jesus was not Nubian.
I have not trouble with depictions of a Black Jesus, but when folk try to tell me Moses, Jesus, insert your favorite Biblical figure here, was Black it is ridiculous. BTW, I would have ordered that Black Jesus action figure, but he doesn't look Black.
Anyone have a link to a darker one?
<< i'm not sure about this but from all the pictures i've seen of god, he was white so that would mean that jesus, being the son of god, would be white also. and mary was white too so i just don't see how he could be anything else. >>
All the pictures you've seen of god? Don't you mean pictures people have drawn as their perception of god?
I guess since the dawn of mankind, we have been talking about things we know nothing about as if we do. How sad that 2000 years later, that hasn't changed.
ST4RCUTTER
Platinum Member
I'll jump into this. Only because I have a little knowledge of the Egyptian dynasties.
Egyptians were both black and white(r). The early dyansties hailed from the Northern parts of Africa and principalities further East. Over the centuries, the Nubians and Egyptians competed for power over the vast lower regions of the Nile. During the later dynaties, Nubian matriarchs served as "pharoahs" and under their rule much of Egypt's striking architecture was created. The results of these influences can still be seen today. As one moves from northern Egypt to southern, the people gradually become darker skinned as there is greater contact with the Sudenese in the south.
Egyptians were both black and white(r). The early dyansties hailed from the Northern parts of Africa and principalities further East. Over the centuries, the Nubians and Egyptians competed for power over the vast lower regions of the Nile. During the later dynaties, Nubian matriarchs served as "pharoahs" and under their rule much of Egypt's striking architecture was created. The results of these influences can still be seen today. As one moves from northern Egypt to southern, the people gradually become darker skinned as there is greater contact with the Sudenese in the south.
The thing that bothers me the most about this thread is not what people believe, but that there are some people who are outright disrespecting and attacking the beliefs of others
Not that I would disrespect someone's beliefs, but I question the motive behind discussing such things on an internet BBS/forum/etc... and expecting dignified responses. A thread might remain serious and on-point for a few moments but there will always be Dr. Clueless who turns it into a slag-o-rama.
Is there really a point? Can anyone say they have ever been "enlightened" in ATOT?
Not that I would disrespect someone's beliefs, but I question the motive behind discussing such things on an internet BBS/forum/etc... and expecting dignified responses. A thread might remain serious and on-point for a few moments but there will always be Dr. Clueless who turns it into a slag-o-rama.
Is there really a point? Can anyone say they have ever been "enlightened" in ATOT?
Skyclad1uhm1
Lifer
When the Catholic church was founded all Italians were white. They wanted to feel good about themselves, so they 'created' an image of God, Jesus and Mary after themselves rather than looking at the country from which he came. The Jews at that time would have looked more like Arabs than like white Europeans.
thraashman
Lifer
There can be made arguments for Jesus (if he existed or not) of being of almost any race.
He could be arab, such as the peoples who live in that area now.
He could be Jewish.
He could've been Egyptian. Slightly darker skin than Jewish.
He could have been black. The Nubians from farther south in Africa had already invaded Egypt, but at this time had also bee driven back down, so this one is very unlikey.
He could have been white (European). The Greek's had conquered all the way to India by 200 B.C. Many Greeks lived in this area because the mid-east was part of the Greek empire. Also the Romans took over most of the Greek empire, and were in control by now, but Greeks had lived here for hundreds of years. At the time Jesus existed, the Ptolemies ruled Egypt, they were Greek in ancestry.
He could have been a mix. Alexander the Great (greatest Greek conqueror) believed in a concept called Homonoia, where all cultures blended. He pushed this concept in his empire and encouraged inter-breeding and marriage among separate cultures. Also technically Jesus could have been of a race that has since been bred out of existence due to this.
Most likely he was Jewish in appearance. Since the majority of the population was Jewish in this area.
Also a little trivia for many. The Romans did not consider Jesus a criminal. The reason Jesus was executed was political. He had gained many followers (much like Buddha had hundreds of years prior). There was a growing tention between his followers and the majority population of people who didn't like a man saying he was the son of God. (Also the religious concept of a 'holy redeemer' was very popular around this tim, Christianity was only one of many religions that preached nearly the exact same teachings, and the other relgions all believed in their own 'holy redeemer', but it wasn't Jesus) Jesus was executed to prevent the mounting tentions from breaking out, he was executed to prevent a chaos and a possible civil war. The major reason that Christianity became popular was because of the work of one of the major writers of the Bible, Paul. He was converted to Christianity in his 20's about 50 years after the death of Jesus. He is mostly responsible for the spreading of Christianity.
And for those nitpickers, since I don't have my book with me while I write this, there may be some minor errors, but none that change what I wrote in any significant way.
He could be arab, such as the peoples who live in that area now.
He could be Jewish.
He could've been Egyptian. Slightly darker skin than Jewish.
He could have been black. The Nubians from farther south in Africa had already invaded Egypt, but at this time had also bee driven back down, so this one is very unlikey.
He could have been white (European). The Greek's had conquered all the way to India by 200 B.C. Many Greeks lived in this area because the mid-east was part of the Greek empire. Also the Romans took over most of the Greek empire, and were in control by now, but Greeks had lived here for hundreds of years. At the time Jesus existed, the Ptolemies ruled Egypt, they were Greek in ancestry.
He could have been a mix. Alexander the Great (greatest Greek conqueror) believed in a concept called Homonoia, where all cultures blended. He pushed this concept in his empire and encouraged inter-breeding and marriage among separate cultures. Also technically Jesus could have been of a race that has since been bred out of existence due to this.
Most likely he was Jewish in appearance. Since the majority of the population was Jewish in this area.
Also a little trivia for many. The Romans did not consider Jesus a criminal. The reason Jesus was executed was political. He had gained many followers (much like Buddha had hundreds of years prior). There was a growing tention between his followers and the majority population of people who didn't like a man saying he was the son of God. (Also the religious concept of a 'holy redeemer' was very popular around this tim, Christianity was only one of many religions that preached nearly the exact same teachings, and the other relgions all believed in their own 'holy redeemer', but it wasn't Jesus) Jesus was executed to prevent the mounting tentions from breaking out, he was executed to prevent a chaos and a possible civil war. The major reason that Christianity became popular was because of the work of one of the major writers of the Bible, Paul. He was converted to Christianity in his 20's about 50 years after the death of Jesus. He is mostly responsible for the spreading of Christianity.
And for those nitpickers, since I don't have my book with me while I write this, there may be some minor errors, but none that change what I wrote in any significant way.
JupiterJones
Senior member
i never like religion. especially those that relate to that guy. yuck! if its supposedly to be the "truth," y is there so many versions of it???
The difference in denominations of the Christian Faith are due to varying views on Scripture. For example, The Roman Catholic Church places Scripture below the Papacy. The Southern Baptist Convention member churches tend to view Scripture as the only source of absolute truth.
There's no evidence that Jesus ever existed.
There is a good deal of documentary evidence. Much more so than for many of his contemporaries. An example is Jewish Historian Flavius Josephus.
"At this time there was a wise man who was called Jesus. And his conduct was good and he was known to be virtuous. And many people from among the Jews and other nations became his disciples. Pilate condemned him to be crucified and to die. And those who had become his disciples did not abandon his discipleship. They reported that he had appeared to them three days after his crucifixion and that he was alive; accordingly, he was perhaps the messiah concerning whom the prophets have recounted wonders." (Arabic translation)
christian missionaries...have used and still use alot of dirty tactics to convert people
Really? Like what?
christians around my way have been converting asians left and right. simple tactic: join us n u get cheaper insurance
How do you get cheaper insurance in Pennsylvania by becoming Christian?
The difference in denominations of the Christian Faith are due to varying views on Scripture. For example, The Roman Catholic Church places Scripture below the Papacy. The Southern Baptist Convention member churches tend to view Scripture as the only source of absolute truth.
There's no evidence that Jesus ever existed.
There is a good deal of documentary evidence. Much more so than for many of his contemporaries. An example is Jewish Historian Flavius Josephus.
"At this time there was a wise man who was called Jesus. And his conduct was good and he was known to be virtuous. And many people from among the Jews and other nations became his disciples. Pilate condemned him to be crucified and to die. And those who had become his disciples did not abandon his discipleship. They reported that he had appeared to them three days after his crucifixion and that he was alive; accordingly, he was perhaps the messiah concerning whom the prophets have recounted wonders." (Arabic translation)
christian missionaries...have used and still use alot of dirty tactics to convert people
Really? Like what?
christians around my way have been converting asians left and right. simple tactic: join us n u get cheaper insurance
How do you get cheaper insurance in Pennsylvania by becoming Christian?
EmperorRob
Senior member
I don't really care what color Jesus is. He is the one who made me. If he's pink and blue, I do not care. It's not mentioned in the Bible b/c it's not important. It has no bearing on how we should live.
And BTW I'm a Christian and my car insurance sux.
And BTW I'm a Christian and my car insurance sux.
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