ThePresence
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The lawyers tried to explain, but the chairman did not let them speak as it's against the rules of the session.
During that line they did let the lawyers get in quite a few statements. The next round was when they completely shut them out.
ThePresence
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I think that was at a different time addressing a different point, but I may be wrong. I don't recall.
Miramonti
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Two additional things to note:
1) Clemens adamantly said he wasn't at 'the party', but later said he 'might have' been there to drop off his kids etc., and only said this after the testimony of his nanny came out that he was there and possibly even spent the night or the night before/after.
2) Clemens said he was never told by his agents Mitchell was interested in speaking with him. This is potentially verifiable thru a paper or electronic trail, or thru his agent's testimony, that he was indeed told and that clemen's lied to congress.
It doesn't matter what he lied to congress about, steroid taking or misc. details...if there's anything substantive in his testimony that can be proven that he lied to congress about, he's in jeopardy of being charged.
1) Clemens adamantly said he wasn't at 'the party', but later said he 'might have' been there to drop off his kids etc., and only said this after the testimony of his nanny came out that he was there and possibly even spent the night or the night before/after.
2) Clemens said he was never told by his agents Mitchell was interested in speaking with him. This is potentially verifiable thru a paper or electronic trail, or thru his agent's testimony, that he was indeed told and that clemen's lied to congress.
It doesn't matter what he lied to congress about, steroid taking or misc. details...if there's anything substantive in his testimony that can be proven that he lied to congress about, he's in jeopardy of being charged.
Roger sure didn't make a lot of coherent sense when he was answering questions.
Chuck Knoblauch corraborated McNamee
Andy Petite corraborated McNamee
Roger Clemens even read a statement from his wife where she admitted to having McNammee inject her with HGH.
Chuck Knoblauch corraborated McNamee
Andy Petite corraborated McNamee
Roger Clemens even read a statement from his wife where she admitted to having McNammee inject her with HGH.
ThePresence
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The bottom line is those who came into this presuming Clemens is guilty, this strengthened that opinion. Those who had doubts about McNamee had those doubts verified 100 times.
It must be nice to be so close to every player in the NFL that you know if they have taken HGH/steroids or not.
Capt Caveman
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What a friggin fiasco!
Some of the Congressman were complete idiots. Asking questions like what "hat are you going to wear into the Hall of Fame?" A lot of them had their facts incorrect too.
Clemens admitting that McNamee injected his wife with HGH without his knowledge. Bullshit!
Clemens tampering with a witness. What a moron!
Some of the Congressman were complete idiots. Asking questions like what "hat are you going to wear into the Hall of Fame?" A lot of them had their facts incorrect too.
Clemens admitting that McNamee injected his wife with HGH without his knowledge. Bullshit!
Clemens tampering with a witness. What a moron!
it was a generality but those guys don't get that big, fast and strong without extra help. everyone knows this.
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the one that claimed he ws tampering with a witness also did it when nobody was there that could contridict him. then shut up clemans attorneys on it.
latter another person came in and straitened i out.
but man soem were either kissing his ass or ignoreing facts.
Then vote your representative out of office next election. Other than that, there's not much you can do about it. You think this is the only thing congress has ever done that you do not personally approve of?
When the privately owned business is involved in illegal drugs, and time and time again has shown itself to be entirely unwilling to deal with the problem, then yes, it does become a government matter.
So who noticed how every time Clemens was asked a difficult question, or finishing a prepared statement, he was licking his lips?
It should be an MLB issue.
Congress has given MLB every chance to take steps to police themselves, and every step of the way MLB has shown complete unwillingness to deal with the problem. And with the new information that's been coming out, especially with John Rocker's comments the other day - MLB and MLBPA may have been actively encouraging steroid use amongst players.
see: http://www.kansascity.com/sports/story/485598.html
Remember when Congress allowed MLB to handle the issue, and MLB's efforts were a 10 strikes and you're out policy? Even more pathetic, a player who was caught would be able to pay MLB a bag of monies and the "strike" wouldn't even be tallied.
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I listened to the just about the entire hearing and IMO neither one of them came out smelling like anything but a big pile of crap.
Mcnamee lied to many people before finally admitting to dosing the three athletes, and kept the supposed evidence of needles, vials and used cotton swabs to protect himself (or perhaps for blackmail???)
Clemens won't admit to a conversation that Pettit had with him (that Pettit's wife confirms he told her about right after it happened) and tries to throw his wife under the bus that he was talking about her, and then admits she didn't take any HGH until a few years later.
They both look bad and I think they have both lied to congress today, but I doubt anyone will actually be able to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt.
Mcnamee lied to many people before finally admitting to dosing the three athletes, and kept the supposed evidence of needles, vials and used cotton swabs to protect himself (or perhaps for blackmail???)
Clemens won't admit to a conversation that Pettit had with him (that Pettit's wife confirms he told her about right after it happened) and tries to throw his wife under the bus that he was talking about her, and then admits she didn't take any HGH until a few years later.
They both look bad and I think they have both lied to congress today, but I doubt anyone will actually be able to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt.
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Originally posted by: ThePresence
Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
The tone is definitely different in this thread than it would be if it were Bonds. Personally, I think we should just let them all go and be done with the whole thing. Clemens and Bonds perjured themselves? About doing 'roids or HGH? Who really cares and who thinks they should even be speaking in front of our Congress about this in the first place?
We have a past President who perjured himself when he said he didn't get blown under a White House desk (yes, I reworded it) so why should these guys be subjected to any more punishment than him?
Of course there's a different tone here than if we were talking about Bonds. We don't know that Clemens perjured himself, regardless of what anyone's personal opinion may be. We know that Bonds did. McNamee is obviously scum. He has been convicted of lying before. This is far from a sure thing.
Bonds was 'convicted' well before we ever had proof of anything. Clemens will get better treatment imho. Everyone was so easily convinced about Bonds regardless of the fact that his career never really dipped before hitting that mad amount of home runs. On the other hand, Clemens sucked for awhile and then started winning Cy Youngs? In his late 30s? Come on.
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