Antifa / far right groups protesting in Portland this afternoon. What'll happen this time?

[SMOGZINN]

I for one am all for punching Nazis. But these are not Nazis. These are at best wanna be Nazi cosplayers. Nazis had an army. Nazis invaded Poland. Nazis killed millions of people. These are your garden variety racists. They are mostly just punks who are filled with hate and insecurities, they want to drag everyone down to their level, and now they have found a leader that plays in the same mud pit as them so they tromping around the playground making a mess of everything.

For them I'm all for peaceful protest, social shaming, and passive resistance. As soon as they try to invade Poland I'll punch them in the face.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Sure. Totally. Just know, being a Nazi or having any association with white supremacy will become an increasing nightmare. Any association with these ideologies will, increasingly, be considered terrorism and a direct threat to national security, not to mention the lives of billions of non-whites.

The social shunning will be near complete, as it's already becoming now. The deplatforming has already happened and look at how all of you cry out in pain at the loss of white supremacy platforms as the free market rejects you.

Once Trump is outta office, it's back into the incel closet for the white powder puffs.

You speak as if someone has programmed you. White nationalist terror is a minor issue today and will be tomorrow. That doesn't mean there are no problems ever due to it, but I can tell your concern greatly out paces the actual impact of white nationalist terror. They've told you to be concerned, so you are.

Just so we are on the same page, you are ok with violence against those that you feel deserve it for their ideology, even it they aren't causing any violence themselves? That's very fascist in and of itself, just FYI.

 

[VRAMdemon]

ALL these groups are shit

If Trump didn't think there were good people in the white supremacy groups, pandering for votes, or had any leadership skills, he'd be calling out "Proud Boys", "Daily Stormers", etc. by name, just as he has done with "Antifa". Nope, not an ounce of integrity.

I wish the Portland police force would have just set aside a corner of a park, make sure that anyone who is entering is aware of the nature of that corner of the park, frisk them, don't allow any weapons, and then just let them beat the shit out of each other till they get as tired of it as we are of them.

 

[cytg111]

Because those people are fascists themselves. They're just too smug or stupid to realize it.

Braaaaaaaaaain rot.
Could you share with the class the key features of this fascism on the left that you speak of?

 

[SlowSpyder]

Braaaaaaaaaain rot.
Could you share with the class the key features of this fascism on the left that you speak of?

Well, in this thread one of their supporters thinks it is ok to harm others over their views, if you find their views ugly enough compared to yours. The left wants to totally control today, that is fascism.

 

[jmagg]

It's the Punchy Bunch.
Just punch anyone that don't agree with you, or at least break a plate glass window. Any one will do.
/s

 

[Amused]

You speak as if someone has programmed you. White nationalist terror is a minor issue today and will be tomorrow. That doesn't mean there are no problems ever due to it, but I can tell your concern greatly out paces the actual impact of white nationalist terror. They've told you to be concerned, so you are.

Just so we are on the same page, you are ok with violence against those that you feel deserve it for their ideology, even it they aren't causing any violence themselves? That's very fascist in and of itself, just FYI.

Look at you spew propaganda talking points that are 180 degrees from reality

White nationalism has been responsible for the vast majority of all domestic terrorism since 2001.

Not to mention, if white nationalism ever takes power, millions will die. It's a proven fact. We don't need to wait and see again.

But yeah, keep equating people who oppose white nationalism with white nationalists. "I know you are but what am I" has always been your most effective debate strategy, hasn't it?

 

[cytg111]

You speak as if someone has programmed you. White nationalist terror is a minor issue today and will be tomorrow. That doesn't mean there are no problems ever due to it, but I can tell your concern greatly out paces the actual impact of white nationalist terror. They've told you to be concerned, so you are.

Just so we are on the same page, you are ok with violence against those that you feel deserve it for their ideology, even it they aren't causing any violence themselves? That's very fascist in and of itself, just FYI.

You sure do sound like Trump : Retarded and making up shit on the fly, in the face of evidence, deny it to its face : Gravity is fake news folks, fake media made it up!

Where does he say he wants violence upon pacifists? You know, there is a word for that : Slander. I think people go to court over it.

 

[cytg111]

Well, in this thread one of their supporters thinks it is ok to harm others over their views, if you find their views ugly enough compared to yours. The left wants to totally control today, that is fascism.

ps:

You know that is retarded right? You have to know that that sentence makes zero sense in the real world? Does not compute.
-> Some supporter you cant remember wants to hurt nazis THEREFOR the left wants to be masters of the universe ... and wanting to be masters of the universe equals fascism. SlowLogic(tm).[

Now that I have your attention, did Trump push birtherism?

And can you explain to me whats going on here?
I mean this must be as close to BJ'ing someone without actually doing it. Putin do look very satisfied indeed.

 

[Amused]

Well, in this thread one of their supporters thinks it is ok to harm others over their views, if you find their views ugly enough compared to yours. The left wants to totally control today, that is fascism.

No, reasonable people want to stop terrorists from terrorizing people with their ideology that declares tham as inhuman and not worthy or freedom or life itself.

But yeah, it's just an opinion, amirite?

No one here has advocated making it illegal, you fucking potato. THAT would be fascist.

Oh no, we're all for letting the private free market sort you white nationalist incels out. By shunning you, banning you, deplatforming you and relegating you back to the musty basements you slithered from.

 

[jmagg]

No, reasonable people want to stop terrorists from terrorizing people with their ideology that declares tham as inhuman and not worthy or freedom or life itself.

But yeah, it's just an opinion, amiright?

No one here has advovated making it illegal, you fucking potato. THAT would be fascist.

Oh no, we're all for letting the private free market sort you white nationalist incels out. By shunning you, banning you, deplatforming you and relegating you back to the musty basements you slithered from.

You forgot punching (wink wink)

 

[Amused]

You forgot punching (wink wink)

Oh no. That would be illegal.

Just as it would be illegal for me to deck you if you threatened my life.

If you threaten someone's life, an emotional response, while frowned upon and illegal, is certainly understandable.

White supremacy has a death toll of over 100 million specific, targeted people and collateral damage to people of all types. So yeah, it's kinda threatening to some folks.

But yeah, totally illegal to punch someone over a verbal threat...

 

[Viper1j]

Absolutely (wink wink). It should absolutely remain illegal to punch nazis (wink wink). We'll keep that law on the books so you feel safe. (nudge nudge)

Meanwhile, we will do everything else to make your lives living hells. Social shunning, doxing, banning, deplatforming, boycotting you and/or advertisers until you go out of business and constant protesting of your home, rallies and workplaces.

Be a Nazi/white supremacist, and have your life laid bare and exposed so everyone can shun and ban you.

Because the free market works.

I don't think many people cared while they were playing Deliverance in the woods, blowing and cornholing each other while playing army. But now they're in (if I can steal one of their lines) our streets where "decent folk are".

And the #1 reason the roaches came out, is that there's a King Roach in the white house.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Look at you spew propaganda talking points that are 180 degrees from reality

View attachment 9812White nationalism has been responsible for the vast majority of all domestic terrorism since 2001.

Not to mention, if white nationalism ever takes power, millions will die. It's a proven fact. We don't need to wait and see again.

But yeah, keep equating people who oppose white nationalism with white nationalists. "I know you are but what am I" has always been your most effective debate strategy, hasn't it?

Smarter people than you have said that this data is manipulated and the reality is that we're simply reporting from more agencies and changed the criteria in regards to what gets added here. It isn't so much that there is more white nationalist terror as the way the data is collected has changed. Also, that graph is pretty meaningless. See how that little bar in 2001 doesn't reflect the real story....?

 

[Amused]

Smarter people than you have said that this data is manipulated and the reality is that we're simply reporting from more agencies and changed the criteria in regards to what gets added here. It isn't so much that there is more white nationalist terror as the way the data is collected has changed. Also, that graph is pretty meaningless. See how that little bar in 2001 doesn't reflect the real story....?

No, you mean right-wing cult media propagandists have told you it's not real, even though the FBI itself released the info. You could have just saved yourself some typing and screamed "fake news!"

Heads up, the caption reads from sept 12th, 2001. It;s a summation of all domestic terrorism since 9/11. Bjt yeah, conspiracy! amirite?

But OK.

 

[Jhhnn]

This is bigger than Trump and both preceded him and will follow him long after. We don't tolerate punching people because of what they think even if it's something like Nazism or racial cleansing. Because otherwise anyone has the societal permission to punch anyone whose beliefs they think are "dangerous." Atheists could punch Catholics and vice-versa, pro-lifers punch pro-choicers and vice versa, libertarians punch communists and vice versa, basically anyone would be fair game.

So, uhh, How do you think "punch a Nazi" Compares to this stuff?

https://itsgoingdown.org/proud-boy-leaders-tone-down-after-fbi/

 

[glenn1]

So, uhh, How do you think "punch a Nazi" Compares to this stuff?

https://itsgoingdown.org/proud-boy-leaders-tone-down-after-fbi/

If you want to go down the punching road then have at it but the Nazis are probably a helluva lot better at committing wanton violence than you are. You shouldn't start fistfights with people who are likely to respond with guns and explosives. It's not like they're just going to stand there allowing themselves to be punched and do nothing in return. I know it's like some weird power trip fantasy that you'll punch a Nazi, he'll change his ways, and you'll get the girl and ride into the sunset. But the reality is that you'll punch a Nazi and he'll probably kill you.

 

[Amused]

If you want to go down the punching road then have at it but the Nazis are probably a helluva lot better at committing wanton violence than you are. You shouldn't start fistfights with people who are likely to respond with guns and explosives. It's not like they're just going to stand there allowing themselves to be punched and do nothing in return. I know it's like some weird power trip fantasy that you'll punch a Nazi, he'll change his ways, and you'll get the girl and ride into the sunset. But the reality is that you'll punch a Nazi and he'll probably kill you.

Thank you for your insight, Neville Chamberlain.

 

[cytg111]

If you want to go down the punching road then have at it but the Nazis are probably a helluva lot better at committing wanton violence than you are. You shouldn't start fistfights with people who are likely to respond with guns and explosives. It's not like they're just going to stand there allowing themselves to be punched and do nothing in return. I know it's like some weird power trip fantasy that you'll punch a Nazi, he'll change his ways, and you'll get the girl and ride into the sunset. But the reality is that you'll punch a Nazi and he'll probably kill you.

And how do you think those nazis become proficient in the art of punching, guns and explosives? By being, as Slow insists and demands, pacifists? You guys narrative is all fucked and then fucked up again.

 

[Jhhnn]

If you want to go down the punching road then have at it but the Nazis are probably a helluva lot better at committing wanton violence than you are. You shouldn't start fistfights with people who are likely to respond with guns and explosives. It's not like they're just going to stand there allowing themselves to be punched and do nothing in return. I know it's like some weird power trip fantasy that you'll punch a Nazi, he'll change his ways, and you'll get the girl and ride into the sunset. But the reality is that you'll punch a Nazi and he'll probably kill you.

So we should feel intimidated? That's the intent, isn't it? I figure the people with guns & explosives are the most likely to start a fight, anyway.

White supremacists change their ways, change their minds? Probably not but we'll all be better off when they crawl back into their holes & their champion is out of the White House. Leadership matters, and they've found theirs.

 

[Jhhnn]

If you want to go down the punching road then have at it but the Nazis are probably a helluva lot better at committing wanton violence than you are. You shouldn't start fistfights with people who are likely to respond with guns and explosives. It's not like they're just going to stand there allowing themselves to be punched and do nothing in return. I know it's like some weird power trip fantasy that you'll punch a Nazi, he'll change his ways, and you'll get the girl and ride into the sunset. But the reality is that you'll punch a Nazi and he'll probably kill you.

So we should feel intimidated? That's the intent, isn't it? I figure the people with guns & explosives are the most likely to start a fight, anyway.

White supremacists change their ways, change their minds? Probably not but we'll all be better off when they crawl back into their holes & their champion is out of the White House. Leadership matters, and they've found theirs.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Point of personal privilege, comrade: How is blocking traffic using Nazi tactics against them? How is demanding more from the government using Nazi tactics against them?

#fuckofftroll

 

[Victorian Gray]

It's truly fascinating (if also truly disgusting) watching some folks work so hard to normalize faszism/nazism.

 

[Victorian Gray]

I for one am all for punching Nazis. But these are not Nazis. These are at best wanna be Nazi cosplayers. Nazis had an army. Nazis invaded Poland. Nazis killed millions of people. These are your garden variety racists. They are mostly just punks who are filled with hate and insecurities, they want to drag everyone down to their level, and now they have found a leader that plays in the same mud pit as them so they tromping around the playground making a mess of everything.

For them I'm all for peaceful protest, social shaming, and passive resistance. As soon as they try to invade Poland I'll punch them in the face.

Who do you think those nazis were and what do you think they were doing *before* they were in a position to invade Poland.

 

[Victorian Gray]

You speak as if someone has programmed you. White nationalist terror is a minor issue today and will be tomorrow. That doesn't mean there are no problems ever due to it, but I can tell your concern greatly out paces the actual impact of white nationalist terror. They've told you to be concerned, so you are.

Just so we are on the same page, you are ok with violence against those that you feel deserve it for their ideology, even it they aren't causing any violence themselves? That's very fascist in and of itself, just FYI.

#fuckofftroll

 

[Victorian Gray]

Well, in this thread one of their supporters thinks it is ok to harm others over their views, if you find their views ugly enough compared to yours. The left wants to totally control today, that is fascism.

#fuckofftroll