Antifa / far right groups protesting in Portland this afternoon. What'll happen this time?

[IJTSSG]

To quote a hero of the far left, Bernie Sanders: "But you know, people have a right to give their two cents' worth, give a speech, without fear of violence and intimidation."
If antifa was to to limit their activities to the shouting down or simply out protesting these fringe groups that would be one thing but they've caused millions of dollars in property damage and attacked, and badly hurt, innocent bystanders. There's a huge anarchist presence in their ranks that can't be ignored. I also think their masks show a klan like cowardice that appears to be completely lost on them.

Before the usual ATPN brainiacs come in here, apply some TDS suffering fucktard logic, and accuse me of being a nazi sympathizer let me say that, yes, nazi's suck, white supremacist suck and I wish they didn't exist. Happy?

 

[Victorian Gray]

It's like the 1920s through 40s never happened.

I guess you fear that your vision of progressive utopia can’t win in the marketplace of ideas so you need to suppress other lines of thought, with violence if need be. “Punch someone for their ideas” is not the statement of a person who believes his own ideas will carry the day.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Protesting Nazis is fine by me, but fascists protesting Nazis, well, that's kind of a no win situation out of the two. And antifa is quite fascist in their methods and some of their beliefs. I don't see what they want as especially different.

Are you thinking beyond just this moment in regards to what you are saying? That it is ok to get violent with someone if they are too far outside the large moral majority? If you're SURE your way is the right way, the moral way, and their way is the opposite, then it is ok to punch them, because you are SURE you're in the moral right in your thinking? Again, leftists today seem to talk about their politics as if it is a religion, you just ok'd religious violence. You're SURE your god is the right one. Those that are too far away from that god? Hell with them, violence is ok.

Maybe it is just the libertarian in me, but I think that someone is free to believe what they want no matter how much I disagree with it, so long as they aren't harming my or others' rights. That's what America is supposed to be, but the left today doesn't allow for deviation from the hive mind.

Propagandist continues spreading shit. You'll get that fucking silver shirt eventually bunky.

 

[Victorian Gray]

To quote a hero of the far left, Bernie Sanders: "But you know, people have a right to give their two cents' worth, give a speech, without fear of violence and intimidation."
If antifa was to to limit their activities to the shouting down or simply out protesting these fringe groups that would be one thing but they've caused millions of dollars in property damage and attacked, and badly hurt, innocent bystanders. There's a huge anarchist presence in their ranks that can't be ignored. I also think their masks show a klan like cowardice that appears to be completely lost on them.

Before the usual ATPN brainiacs come in here, apply some TDS suffering fucktard logic, and accuse me of being a nazi sympathizer let me say that, yes, nazi's suck, white supremacist suck and I wish they didn't exist. Happy?

Propaganda. Yum.

 

[Amused]

Protesting Nazis is fine by me, but fascists protesting Nazis, well, that's kind of a no win situation out of the two. And antifa is quite fascist in their methods and some of their beliefs. I don't see what they want as especially different.

Are you thinking beyond just this moment in regards to what you are saying? That it is ok to get violent with someone if they are too far outside the large moral majority? If you're SURE your way is the right way, the moral way, and their way is the opposite, then it is ok to punch them, because you are SURE you're in the moral right in your thinking? Again, leftists today seem to talk about their politics as if it is a religion, you just ok'd religious violence. You're SURE your god is the right one. Those that are too far away from that god? Hell with them, violence is ok.

Maybe it is just the libertarian in me, but I think that someone is free to believe what they want no matter how much I disagree with it, so long as they aren't harming my or others' rights. That's what America is supposed to be, but the left today doesn't allow for deviation from the hive mind.

Tell me, what economic and social system of fascism does the anti-fascists you accuse of being fascists advocate?

Again, no one, not even Antifa, has called for the outlawing of Nazis. Just the social stigma. I know this is a difficult nuance for you to understand. But your right to speech does not come with the right to be free from active disagreement, outrage, or social consequences.

You can keep calling the people who stand up to nazis "fascists" but just know, the more you do the stupider you fucking sound. It's akin to calling the freedom marchers in Selma Alabama "racists." Or more accurately,. it's akin to calling the allied armies of WWII "fascists."

No libertarian would tolerate Nazi ideology not going vigorously unopposed. No true libertarian would oppose those who actively protest Nazis knowing that nazism is a threat to all liberty.

But look at you, too stupid to realize you're standing up for nazis and standing against those who actively oppose them in the social arena.

 

[Amused]

To quote a hero of the far left, Bernie Sanders: "But you know, people have a right to give their two cents' worth, give a speech, without fear of violence and intimidation."
If antifa was to to limit their activities to the shouting down or simply out protesting these fringe groups that would be one thing but they've caused millions of dollars in property damage and attacked, and badly hurt, innocent bystanders. There's a huge anarchist presence in their ranks that can't be ignored. I also think their masks show a klan like cowardice that appears to be completely lost on them.

Before the usual ATPN brainiacs come in here, apply some TDS suffering fucktard logic, and accuse me of being a nazi sympathizer let me say that, yes, nazi's suck, white supremacist suck and I wish they didn't exist. Happy?

Atfifa is responding to Nazi activists showing up armored, armed and ready to fight.

Who the fuck do you think is expressing an ideology of violence, hate and murder?

You're too fucking stupid to realize that antifa is simply using the Nazi's tactics against them.

And good for them.

You cannot be a Nazi and demand civil discourse. There is NOTHING civil about Nazi ideology.

And finally, Antifa has committed NO acts of Terrorism. It is the White supremacists they actively oppose who are responsible for the vast majority of domestic terrorism since 2001.

And you still think Antifa is "just as bad" or worse.

You nazis are so transparent.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Tell me, what economic and social system of fascism does the anti-fascists you accuse of being fascists advocate?

Again, no one, not even Antifa, has called for the outlawing of Nazis. Just the social stigma. I know this is a difficult nuance for you to understand. But your right to speech does not come with the right to be free from active disagreement, outrage, or social consequences.

You can keep calling the people who stand up to nazis "fascists" but just know, the more you do the stupider you fucking sound. It's akin to calling the freedom marchers in Selma Alabama "racists." Or more accurately,. it's akin to calling the allied armies of WWII "fascists."

No libertarian would tolerate Nazi ideology going vigorously unopposed. No true libertarian would oppose those who actively protest Nazis knowing that nazism is a threat to all liberty.

But look at you, too stupid to realize you're standing up for nazis and standing against those who actively oppose them in the social arena.

Stop making excuses for him. He bloody well knows exactly what he's doing.

 

[IJTSSG]

Atfifa is responding to Nazi activists showing up armored, armed and ready to fight.

Who the fuck do you think is expressing an ideology of violence, hate and murder?

You're too fucking stupid to realize that antifa is simply using the Nazi's tactics against them.

And good for them.

You cannot be a Nazi and demand civil discourse. There is NOTHING civil about Nazi ideology.

And finally, Antifa has committed NO acts of Terrorism. It is the White supremacists they actively oppose who are responsible for the vast majority of domestic terrorism since 2001.

And you still think Antifa is "just as bad" or worse.

You nazis are so transparent.

There's that TDS suffering fucktard logic that this place is so infamous for. Good job.

I'll leave you with this before dismissing you. If you think it's OK to hit someone in the face because they are saying something that you disagree with, you have completely disregarded the enlistment oath you supposedly recited several times. You should be ashamed of yourself.

You're now dismissed.

 

[Jhhnn]

This used to be called "polite society". Proper manners and a basic respect for others.

Gingrich threw that right out the window. Trump pissed on it from the balcony.

 

[Victorian Gray]

There's that TDS suffering fucktard logic that this place is so infamous for. Good job.

I'll leave you with this before dismissing you. If you think it's OK to hit someone in the face because they are saying something that you disagree with, you have completely disregarded the enlistment oath you supposedly recited several times. You should be ashamed of yourself.

You're now dismissed.

I'm curious as to your age (serious question). Maybe you're just too far removed from the last time the fascists/nazis and their fellow travelers were on the rise around the world.

 

[glenn1]

It's like the 1920s through 40s never happened.

We fought a war against Germany after they declared war against us. There wasn't any "punch a Nazi" going on before then and we basically DGAF. We were content to let the French and rest of the continent get curb stomped and sat back and did nothing.

Again, saying that certain POVs are so inherently dangerous that you need to commit violence to stop them from being expressed is a sign of weakness, not strength. You don't see the right adjusting the "punch a Nazi" slogan to say instead "kill a commie" because they're not afraid of their ideas losing out to Bernie Sanders and other political opposites. You could stand there proclaiming the imminent rapture of the Flying Spagetti Monster and I'm not going to promote violence against you because I know you're a damn kook. If you truly believed in the superiority of your worldview you'd be fine allowing Nazis or whoever else to say whatever the hell they want.

 

[Victorian Gray]

We fought a war against Germany after they declared war against us. There wasn't any "punch a Nazi" going on before then and we basically DGAF. We were content to let the French and rest of the continent get curb stomped and sat back and did nothing.

Again, saying that certain POVs are so inherently dangerous that you need to commit violence to stop them from being expressed is a sign of weakness, not strength. You don't see the right adjusting the "punch a Nazi" slogan to say instead "kill a commie" because they're not afraid of their ideas losing out to Bernie Sanders and other political opposites. You could stand there proclaiming the imminent rapture of the Flying Spagetti Monster and I'm not going to promote violence against you because I know you're a damn kook. If you truly believed in the superiority of your worldview you'd be fine allowing Nazis or whoever else to say whatever the hell they want.

Your misrepresentation of the issue is noted.

Now, is it because you don't actually understand what it means to be a nazi? Or, is it because you don't care? Maybe both?

 

[Amused]

There's that TDS suffering fucktard logic that this place is so infamous for. Good job.

I'll leave you with this before dismissing you. If you think it's OK to hit someone in the face because they are saying something that you disagree with, you have completely disregarded the enlistment oath you supposedly recited several times. You should be ashamed of yourself.

You're now dismissed.

Advocating for Nazi white supremacy is not just saying something I disagree with.

It is a direct physical threat to millions of people.

I feel no shame here. Maybe you should look past your own privledge to see why something like this is a direct threat to others?

My oath? To protect against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

Meanwhile, social rejection, shunning and shaming of ideologies and speech is simply the free market speaking for itself.

You Nazis are just pissed the market is rejecting you.

Go on. Tell me more about my fucking oath.

 

[Amused]

We fought a war against Germany after they declared war against us. There wasn't any "punch a Nazi" going on before then and we basically DGAF. We were content to let the French and rest of the continent get curb stomped and sat back and did nothing.

Again, saying that certain POVs are so inherently dangerous that you need to commit violence to stop them from being expressed is a sign of weakness, not strength. You don't see the right adjusting the "punch a Nazi" slogan to say instead "kill a commie" because they're not afraid of their ideas losing out to Bernie Sanders and other political opposites. You could stand there proclaiming the imminent rapture of the Flying Spagetti Monster and I'm not going to promote violence against you because I know you're a damn kook. If you truly believed in the superiority of your worldview you'd be fine allowing Nazis or whoever else to say whatever the hell they want.

So 85 million people have to die again before we do anything about the obvious threat of Nazi ideology?

Wow. The intellectual gymnastics you'll go through to avoid the obvious answer to a real threat.

That us, unless it's not a threat to you and you support it. If to you, the only bad thing about 1940s Nazis was waging war against the US.

Hmmmm?

 

[UglyCasanova]

Advocating for Nazi white supremacy is not just saying something I disagree with.

It is a direct physical threat to millions of people.

I feel no shame here. Maybe you should look past your own privledge to see why something like this is a direct threat to others?

My oath? To protect against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

Go on. Tell me more about my fucking oath.

Islam can be a suppressive and violent direct threat to women and gays, and hell every now and then just like the losers incels that go shoot up schools it can trigger its followers to blow themselves up, drive into people, shoot up places, and fly into buildings. Given that should it be ok to walk up and punch people from the Middle East?

 

[Vic]

So, the Proud Boys are the good guys? I haven't been keeping track, but that seems to be the general consensus here. It's honestly hard to keep track what with so many posters trying to distract attention away from the white supremacist groups who organized this whole thing.

 

[UglyCasanova]

So, the Proud Boys are the good guys? I haven't been keeping track, but that seems to be the general consensus here. It's honestly hard to keep track what with so many posters trying to distract attention away from the white supremacist groups who organized this whole thing.

No they aren’t the good guys, im not sure anybody has suggested such? Neither are Antifa though. They are both groups fueled by hate and they need to result to violence because they see themselves as being right.

 

[Victorian Gray]

So, the Proud Boys are the good guys? I haven't been keeping track, but that seems to be the general consensus here. It's honestly hard to keep track what with so many posters trying to distract attention away from the white supremacist groups who organized this whole thing.

Propagandists, enablers, fellow travelers and maybe a few 'good Germans'. Its a great crew.

 

[Victorian Gray]

No they aren’t the good guys, im not sure anybody has suggested such? Neither are Antifa though. They are both groups fueled by hate and they need to result to violence because they see themselves as being right.

Again, one side wants to toss people in ovens and the other side wants stop people from being tossed in ovens.

Fuck you and your both sides bullshit.

 

[Vic]

No they aren’t the good guys, im not sure anybody has suggested such? Neither are Antifa though. They are both groups fueled by hate and they need to result to violence because they see themselves as being right.

If both groups are so bad, then why the constant need to distract the attention away from the white supremacists? Why all this focus on antifa and not the guys who want to actually kill people?

 

[Vic]

Again, one side wants to toss people in ovens and the other side wants stop people from being tossed in ovens.

Fuck you and your both sides bullshit.

It's not even 'bothsides.' However, it is a big problem that antifa's tactics are counter-productive, to say the least. I mean, look how they just unwittingly enabled a white supremacist rally through the downtown streets of my hometown. Seriously.

 

[UglyCasanova]

If both groups are so bad, then why the constant need to distract the attention away from the white supremacists? Why all this focus on antifa and not the guys who want to actually kill people?

I dont think the Proud Boys want to kill anybody as a group, there may be people within there that do though. Antifa violently attacks people, I wouldn’t say Antifa as a group wants to kill anyone either. Their may be people within that do but do they represent the group as a whole? I dunno.

Why people attack one side vs the other, well you know the answer to that. Partisanship drives everything nowadays. Why do people on here defend Antifa ? Because for some reason they see it as advantageous to "their side" to do so, that’s it.

 

[Vic]

I dont think the Proud Boys want to kill anybody as a group, there may be people within there that do though. Antifa violently attacks people, I wouldn’t say Antifa as a group wants to kill anyone either. Their may be people within that do but do they represent the group as a whole? I dunno.

Why people attack one side vs the other, well you know the answer to that. Partisanship drives everything nowadays. Why do people on here defend Antifa ? Because for some reason they see it as advantageous to "their side" to do so, that’s it.

The Proud Boys violently attack people too. Several of their members are currently facing felony criminal charges. Why do you keep defending them, if not for the same reason you accuse others of?

 

[Amused]

Islam can be a suppressive and violent direct threat to women and gays, and hell every now and then just like the losers incels that go shoot up schools it can trigger its followers to blow themselves up, drive into people, shoot up places, and fly into buildings. Given that should it be ok to walk up and punch people from the Middle East?

Oh wow. You reached deep into the pit if your little Nazi ass for this one, didn't you?

False equivalencies will not make being a Nazi acceptable. Islam can and has, for the most part, existed in peace and respected human rights. Like a typical bigot you confuse local cultural practices and extremists with an entire religion.

Nazism is solely the belief in racial superiority and the elimination of lessor races.

Keep dancing.

 

[Greenman]

Gingrich threw that right out the window. Trump pissed on it from the balcony.

I liked Newt, sharp guy, got things done.