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Gaard

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I don't care what he does for a living. A [deleted] is a [deleted] no matter what he does.
 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: alchemize
I'd give every penny I have to the pediatric heartsurgeon that saved my boy's life.

He was also probably one of the most intense, hard-working, intelligent, focused, dedicated men I've ever met in my life. He truly dedicated his life to his job. I was in that PICU almost 24/7, and I saw him there constantly - he had to be working at least a 90 hour week. There are a lot easier ways for a brilliant man to make lots more money and work less (such as being a tort attorney, or to be an Eq. Opp. Basher, a defense contractor CEO)

They might also be arrogant and have a god-complex, but only because they earned it and are awful damn close to being a God in that room.

Is heartsurgeon really a heartsurgeon? I think so - I seem to remember him and BBD getting into some technical discussions and BBD was convinced.

I don't mean to take anything away from surgery as a profession - it is an amazing thing indeed.

Unfortunately, stupefying arrogance seems to be an occupational hazard (as it is with fighter pilots, for example), and I don't know that I've ever met a more imperious, self-absorbed person than any of a handful of surgeons I've dealt with over the years, while working as government counsel, defending med mal allegations. Not surprisingly, my most narcissistic, obnoxious client as a criminal defense attorney was a doctor as well, though not a surgeon. None of that takes away from the abilities or accomplishments of the surgeons involved, but they seldom seem to be a lot of fun to be around.

If anything that tends to make me think HS likely is a surgeon, though I find it a little surprising that a person with a doctorate wouldn't accurately distinguish between "your" and "you're". In all fairness, though, I was raised by two English teachers, so I have an unusually deep-seated preoccupation with the written word.

You're a liberal and you're defending the government? Shouldn't you be doing pro bono work for the homeless or something?
 

heartsurgeon

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I find your preoccupation with malpractice liability funny
well, it's the single largest "expense" in my practice, and it's out of control...
when i started in practice i paid $8,000/year, now i pay $61,000/year..
meanwhile my income is shrinking, and there is no limit on where mt malpractice premiums will end up. i fully expect that someday my malpractice premiums will cost more than i earn..

i'm glad you find that funny...

you won't find it funny when you get sick, and there's nobody around to help you.
 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
I find your preoccupation with malpractice liability funny
well, it's the single largest "expense" in my practice, and it's out of control...
when i started in practice i paid $8,000/year, now i pay $61,000/year..
meanwhile my income is shrinking, and there is no limit on where mt malpractice premiums will end up. i fully expect that someday my malpractice premiums will cost more than i earn..

i'm glad you find that funny...

you won't find it funny when you get sick, and there's nobody around to help you.

If you had to do it again would you go to med school? Do many Americans actually go to med school anymore?
 

nick1985

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Originally posted by: DonVito
HS:

Let's hear about your service history, if you are going to pooh-pooh Senator Kerry's. Have you ever been shot at by enemies of the United States? If you are of Vietnam-era age (as I believe you've said you are), did you volunteer for service in Vietnam, as Senator Kerry did? Have you ever even worn a military uniform? Do you really regard "Unfit for Command" as an authoritative source on Senator Kerry's service in Vietnam? Do you think it's free from bias, and that the men who participated in its creation are speaking from their experience and not from bias?

its to bad that HS isnt running for presidency, kerry is.

Bottom line remains the same, most of the people who served with kerry dont support him.
 

maluckey

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Nick 1985,

I agree,

Kerry cannot prove his exploits any more than can Bush, because they are both lying. At least one of the liars is consistent...Bush. Kerry can't get his own war record straight. At least Bush can....he wasn't there. That's O.K. by me. At least he didn't feel the need to make up heroic tales that fool the gullible.

Don Vito,

As far as speaking for only myself, get a grip! The U.S. Army hasn't voted Liberal since it's inception. Sure there are Kerry supporters, but they are a small silent minority among combat MOS.
 
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Originally posted by: heartsurgeon

i'm glad you find that funny...

you won't find it funny when you get sick, and there's nobody around to help you.

Something tells me you are not working for pennies. I think it's a shame malpractice insurance costs you as much as it apparently does, but I betcha you are still making 10-30 times what an average American does (which I don't doubt you deserve, as I said above), and enjoy great job satisfaction. I can't honestly say I feel any fiscal sympathy for you, regardless of your insurance premiums, nor do I believe there is any real risk of insurance pricing you out of the market, so to speak.
 
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Originally posted by: Riprorin

You're a liberal and you're defending the government? Shouldn't you be doing pro bono work for the homeless or something?

Why? I'm a patriot, and happy to serve my country. I have had the privilege of performing a lot of JAG functions, including extensive work as a prosecutor and defense attorney, helping hundreds of GIs, dependents, and retirees through legal assistance, defending the government against torts and med mals, litigating on behalf of the government in labor-law cases, and advising commanders on a panoply of different issues. For the most part it's been a pleasure, and sometimes the hardest work (I prosecuted the worst child molester in the history of my service, which ate up several months of my life) has been the most satisfying. Believe it or not, there are plenty of liberals in military uniforms, though they are admittedly rarer in the officer corps than on the enlisted side.

I guess, to answer your question, if I were allowed to do pro bono work in my spare time (we are not allowed to practice law outside the JAG Corps, and I have never been stationed in the state in which I'm licensed anyway), I probably would, but instead I do other forms of community service.
 
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Originally posted by: maluckey
Don Vito,

As far as speaking for only myself, get a grip! The U.S. Army hasn't voted Liberal since it's inception. Sure there are Kerry supporters, but they are a small silent minority among combat MOS.

Again, I don't claim to be speaking for all GIs, but you can't either, and you ought not try. You have no right, or authority to do so.
 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: Riprorin

You're a liberal and you're defending the government? Shouldn't you be doing pro bono work for the homeless or something?

Why? I'm a patriot, and happy to serve my country. I have had the privilege of performing a lot of JAG functions, including extensive work as a prosecutor and defense attorney, helping hundreds of GIs, dependents, and retirees through legal assistance, defending the government against torts and med mals, and advising commanders on a panoply of different issues. For the most part it's been a pleasure. Believe it or not, there are plenty of liberals in military uniforms, though they are admittedly rarer in the officer corps than on the enlisted side.

I guess, to answer your question, if I were allowed to do pro bono work in my spare time (we are not allowed to practice law outside the JAG Corps, and I have never been stationed in the state in which I'm licensed anyway), I probably would, but instead I do other forms of community service.

And you're able to work "panoply" into a sentance. Impressive.
 
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Originally posted by: Riprorin

And you're able to work "panoply" into a sentance. Impressive.

Again, I bear the scars of having been raised by two English teachers (though both moved on to other careers). Oh, the pain!
 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: Riprorin

And you're able to work "panoply" into a sentance. Impressive.

Again, I bear the scars of having been raised by two English teachers (though both moved on to other careers). Oh, the pain!

Ooops, and I do know how to spell sentence. Obviously my parents weren't English teachers.
 

heartsurgeon

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I can't honestly say I feel any fiscal sympathy for you, regardless of your insurance premiums, nor do I believe there is any real risk of insurance pricing you out of the market, so to speak.

i would expect nothing else from a lawyer...

regardless of your "beliefs:...my reimbursement for my services is not under my control..the goverment has seen fit to reduce medicare payments, and "managed care" which was ushered in buy the Clinton's has reduced the remainder of my reimbursement.

my payment for my services has decreased by 50% over the past 10 years

my malpractive premiums have risen 750% over the past 10 years....

at this rate, if i can afford malpractice premiums in ten years it will be a bloody miracle..

by the way....has anyone seen their medical insurance premiums drop one penny over the past ten years? Kinda makes you wonder who's making all that money....cause the doctors sre aren;t making it.

as for your complete dismissal of malpractice premiums/income as an issue....
your not going to attract the best and the brightest into medicine, and into heart surgery...if you don't pay them a fair wage..

me, i'm telling my Yale bound daughter to go into law. Lawyers are killing off medicine as a profession. I wouldn't recommend to anyone that it is time well spend going to school for all those years, working that hard, paying that much, to end in a profession with decreasing income, increasing costs, and no end in sight....
 

maluckey

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Heartsurgeon, I admire a man that is a realist...

Thank John Edwards and his ilk for this. Trial Lawyers are bilking the public out of billions.
 

wiin

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Rip...you will see a trend in al the lib/bush-hater responses...they never discuss the facts of the issue...they attack the integrity of the people making the statements they don't agree with...


So very true.

Limbaugh put it this way:

whose version of the story keeps changing? Kerry's version. Once the first story changes, you know the first story is not true, or elements of it are not true. Note also in addition to whose story keeps changing, note who refuses to answer questions about it. The last I saw, Kerry will not answer any questions about this. The last I saw he sends surrogates out there who were not there when all this happened, to try to not even answer questions about it themselves but rather to impugn the reputations of those who are leveling the charges. The Lanny Davises, the Joe Lockharts, the James Carvilles, they weren't in Vietnam, either. But the swift vets, why, it seems to me they're willing to answer any question, they're willing to go anywhere to answer any question. And they keep popping up with new things to say and they keep inviting questions, and the mainstream press is not even interested in asking them any questions.
 

heartsurgeon

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man oh man...Kerry is absolutely popping the bolts out of the sides of his head over the Swift Boat ads!!

i can't believe what he is doing..he has now asked for a FEC investigation(?) into it. Well, i can assure you that the law is sufficiently vague that NOBODY is guilty of anything....

heck all the Clinton people who are OFFICIERS OF THE DNC also serve in and are managing a variety of organizations that are spending millions of George Soros' money running negative ads about Bush. The personel of Moveon.org work for the Kerry campaign.

it really doesn't matter if Karl Rove's buddy if funding someone who runs anti-kerry ads...that's not against the law.

what Kerry has done is just keep this in the news cycle longer!! Attaboy!! Keep up the good work!!The problem for Kerry is that now, he is accusing Bush of something he can't ever prove (coordinating the ads).

He looks defensive.
He his assertion about Bush being nehind these ads will appear false to the public ehrn he can't prove it.
The Swifties still have their story out there, which Kerry has not factually refuted (release the military records John!!)

Kerry keeps digging the hole deeper...watch for public opinion poles to really move over the next couple of weeks.
 

Hossenfeffer

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Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
man oh man...Kerry is absolutely popping the bolts out of the sides of his head over the Swift Boat ads!!

i can't believe what he is doing..he has now asked for a FEC investigation(?) into it. Well, i can assure you that the law is sufficiently vague that NOBODY is guilty of anything....

heck all the Clinton people who are OFFICIERS OF THE DNC also serve in and are managing a variety of organizations that are spending millions of George Soros' money running negative ads about Bush. The personel of Moveon.org work for the Kerry campaign.

it really doesn't matter if Karl Rove's buddy if funding someone who runs anti-kerry ads...that's not against the law.

what Kerry has done is just keep this in the news cycle longer!! Attaboy!! Keep up the good work!!The problem for Kerry is that now, he is accusing Bush of something he can't ever prove (coordinating the ads).

He looks defensive.
He his assertion about Bush being nehind these ads will appear false to the public ehrn he can't prove it.
The Swifties still have their story out there, which Kerry has not factually refuted (release the military records John!!)

Kerry keeps digging the hole deeper...watch for public opinion poles to really move over the next couple of weeks.

Not a cut on your spelling (I misspell, leave out words, etc. etc.), but readin this gave me the impression that you were typing with an ungodly fervor, foaming at the mouth. :)


As for the whole swift boat thing... Holy non-issue, batman! My sister and I have vastly differrent recollections of our childhood. Each with a different take on events. I could say all day long how we went to such and such park while she said it was the other and it wouldn't prove a damn thing about the credibility of either of us (imho)
 

nick1985

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Originally posted by: Hossenfeffer
Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
man oh man...Kerry is absolutely popping the bolts out of the sides of his head over the Swift Boat ads!!

i can't believe what he is doing..he has now asked for a FEC investigation(?) into it. Well, i can assure you that the law is sufficiently vague that NOBODY is guilty of anything....

heck all the Clinton people who are OFFICIERS OF THE DNC also serve in and are managing a variety of organizations that are spending millions of George Soros' money running negative ads about Bush. The personel of Moveon.org work for the Kerry campaign.

it really doesn't matter if Karl Rove's buddy if funding someone who runs anti-kerry ads...that's not against the law.

what Kerry has done is just keep this in the news cycle longer!! Attaboy!! Keep up the good work!!The problem for Kerry is that now, he is accusing Bush of something he can't ever prove (coordinating the ads).

He looks defensive.
He his assertion about Bush being nehind these ads will appear false to the public ehrn he can't prove it.
The Swifties still have their story out there, which Kerry has not factually refuted (release the military records John!!)

Kerry keeps digging the hole deeper...watch for public opinion poles to really move over the next couple of weeks.

Not a cut on your spelling (I misspell, leave out words, etc. etc.), but readin this gave me the impression that you were typing with an ungodly fervor, foaming at the mouth. :)


As for the whole swift boat thing... Holy non-issue, batman! My sister and I have vastly differrent recollections of our childhood. Each with a different take on events. I could say all day long how we went to such and such park while she said it was the other and it wouldn't prove a damn thing about the credibility of either of us (imho)


How is this a non-issue??? He chose to run on his few months in Vietnam, he should expect his platform to be attacked.
 

Insomnium

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Originally posted by: maluckey
Heartsurgeon, I admire a man that is a realist...

Thank John Edwards and his ilk for this. Trial Lawyers are bilking the public out of billions.

Uneducated hicks are to blame, actually.

You may put all the blame on John Edwards, but the fault for rising premiums stems entirely from idiotic, naive juries who know absolutely nothing about the world. Asbestos settlements? Yeah, they are all the fault of an incredibly moronic jury, which just happened to get the ball rolling on these rising insurance premiums.


And why in the world does anyone think that "libbies" are less likely to put their lives in danger for community service? How do "repubbies" throw their lives on the line on a regular basis?
 

Mill

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Originally posted by: Todd33
Guy with three front teeth with beer on couch: "That soma b!tch lied about his medals? He's unfit for been presdent!"

Stupid hippy smoking weed on the couch: "That soma b!tch George Bush is taking away my rights." *Puff* *Puff* *Puff*

Gee, generalizations are fair eh?:roll:
 

heartsurgeon

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How is this a non-issue??? He chose to run on his few months in Vietnam, he should expect his platform to be attacked.

not only that, as i pointed out, if he said nothing, the news cycle would grind forward to the next issue, event, disater, explosion, whatever...

instead, Kerry is keeping the issue alive by not doing the only thing that would end it..release his records...

and by accusing Bush of coordinating it, he has invited the "main-stream", i.e., liberal, press to spend time on the issue as well. The swifties were shunned by network news until Kerry started talking about them...now, it's the Michael Moore effect..swifties are on the news everywhere, and even if they are attacked by the liberal press, it raises awareness about the book, and the issues they raise.

once again,
Kerry gets an "Attaboy" for making the Swift Boat issue topic #1 this week and next..

where's the "Breck Girl" while all this is going on...