Anti-Gun nutters arrest student for NRA tee shirt

[Incorruptible]

This is the problem with the schools. They are becoming more indoctrinated and restricting free speech. We have leftist teachers who shut down Conservatives and anyone who opposes them.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

This is the problem with the schools. They are becoming more indoctrinated and restricting free speech. We have leftist teachers who shut down Conservatives and anyone who opposes them.

Our children must conform, to more easily indoctrinate them. Without indoctrinating their youth, we cannot assure our survival in the future.

It matters not which side the teacher chooses to shut down, for they are the same minus very few differences which are their key debate points. Two arms connecting to the same torso.

 

[thraashman]

This student wasn't being any of those according to the story.

You mean according to the student. In the video link it only says he didn't become physically violent but that the situations "escalated from there", which would generally indicate something aggressive in nature did happen, probably loud yelling or aggressive language. Especially since the student is underage they will probably not release details of what happened which the kid and his family are currently using to their advantage.

 

[Darwin333]

Yeah, I'm sure a student won't be questioned for wearing a shirt with "Jihad by Al Qaeda" on it. The NRA is a suspect group and its supporters might well need to be investigated, especially a child who may be indoctrinated in violence.

LMAO!

Boy you guys are seriously starting to stretch your bullshit and by "you guys" I mean both asshole sides.

 

[Darwin333]

This. You can't wear a shirt with a gun on it for years now in the schools. Caught the news real quick at work, this is what they said.... Kid mouthed off to the police when they arrived wouldn't stop going on about his 'rights'. The parents wanted the minors name released despite minors being afforded anonymity. They want to make a case of this which leads me to believe there just might be a hidden agenda at work here....

So they arrested him because he wouldn't stop going on about his rights?

 

[Darwin333]

But some schools don't allow any type of sexual messages (this is the rational schools have used to prevent gay pride clubs). At least this is the rationale a teacher might use asking a student to reverse the shirt. The question is, regardless of the message of the shirt, should a student be obligated to follow a teachers instructions to reverse it, even if they aren't being disruptive, especially if it is a pretty loose interpretation of the schools dress policy that is motivation for the request?

Man, I don't know about you but when I was growing up if a teacher told me to turn my shirt inside out I damn well did it. My folks might have raised hell about the reasoning for them telling me to do so but if I had refused they would have raised hell only after they well and thoroughly beat my ass for not listening to my teachers. I doubt that I would have been able to finish the story before the asswhooping ensued.

 

[bshole]

When did minors get freedom of speech, cause I missed that. Did they get the vote too?

http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_stud.html

There are other violations of a minor's rights that on their face seem quite onerous, but for which there are many legal precedents. The most common such violations are of the rights of students. That is, of children attending school. The rights of free speech, free press, free association, and freedom from unwarranted search and seizure are points of contention between school administrators and students, and have been for decades.

In loco parentis​

There are several reasons why violations of student rights are upheld by the courts. One of the most basic reasons is known as in loco parentis. This Latin phrase basically means that while a student is in the custody of a school, the school can and often should act as a parent. In this duty of the school, many decisions can be made that are outside the normal governmental purview. The other basic reason for violation of student rights has to do with the goal of school — to educate. If an act of a student can interfere with the educational process, that act may, in many cases, be suppressed.​

I'm just waiting for the lawsuit for 10 million dollars because little Johnny had his precious "rights" trampled on. Never mind the rights of the taxpayers who have to pay for all this bullcrap.

Darwin,

Loved your last post. Spot on. My parents were like yours. My kids also respect authority. I don't whip them to make them respect it. I only have to threaten to take away the PS3, probably more effective than spanking ever was!

 

[Darwin333]

This is the problem with the schools. They are becoming more indoctrinated and restricting free speech. We have leftist teachers who shut down Conservatives and anyone who opposes them.

Didn't you just start a thread not long ago about how wrong it was for a school to allow kids to voluntarily wear "evil muslim stuff"? Now when its something that you agree with you are all over the free speech angle.

 

[Darwin333]

When did minors get freedom of speech, cause I missed that. Did they get the vote too?

Are you implying that minors don't have rights? And the legal voting age is actually in the Bill of rights, I see no mention of age in the first amendment though. That being said, obviously their rights are limited but I wouldn't go anywhere near saying they were completely non-existent.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

When did minors get freedom of speech, cause I missed that. Did they get the vote too?

http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_stud.html




I'm just waiting for the lawsuit for 10 million dollars because little Johnny had his precious "rights" trampled on. Never mind the rights of the taxpayers who have to pay for all this bullcrap.

Darwin,

Loved your last post. Spot on. My parents were like yours. My kids also respect authority. I don't whip them to make them respect it. I only have to threaten to take away the PS3, probably more effective than spanking ever was!

Yes, students have some rights. The SCOTUS determined that some time ago and it's been payed here.

 

[thraashman]

Are you implying that minors don't have rights? And the legal voting age is actually in the Bill of rights, I see no mention of age in the first amendment though. That being said, obviously their rights are limited but I wouldn't go anywhere near saying they were completely non-existent.

I think that's his point. Students have certain basic rights, but they don't have complete freedom of speech.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I think that's his point. Students have certain basic rights, but they don't have complete freedom of speech.

I have absolutely no idea where you got that from "when did students have rights" along withcommentsabout the vote.

 

[bshole]

but they don't have complete freedom of speech.

.... and have never had it in the entire history of this nation. Can anybody point to a Supreme Court decision that proves that I am misunderstanding something? I could well be wrong, but is has always been my understanding that minor students surrender rights in order to attend school.

 

[fskimospy]

.... and have never had it in the entire history of this nation. Can anybody point to a Supreme Court decision that proves that I am misunderstanding something? I could well be wrong, but is has always been my understanding that minor students surrender rights in order to attend school.

They surrender most of their rights, but not all. The school acts as a quasi parental authority over students in it, meaning that they have a lot more ability to restrict speech, search kids, etc, etc than any other governmental institution would have over any other citizen. It's not absolute though.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

They surrender most of their rights, but not all. The school acts as a quasi parental authority over students in it, meaning that they have a lot more ability to restrict speech, search kids, etc, etc than any other governmental institution would have over any other citizen. It's not absolute though.

I wonder if he had people blocked. The arm band decision was posted already.

 

[buckshot24]

They surrender most of their rights, but not all. The school acts as a quasi parental authority over students in it, meaning that they have a lot more ability to restrict speech, search kids, etc, etc than any other governmental institution would have over any other citizen. It's not absolute though.

I agree.

Making this a first amendment issue isn't a valid argument. Plus it isn't the government directly restricting speech here.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I agree.

Making this a first amendment issue isn't a valid argument. Plus it isn't the government directly restricting speech here.

Then we need to reverse the decision on the black arm bands and decisions on school prayer.

 

[fskimospy]

Then we need to reverse the decision on the black arm bands and decisions on school prayer.

We don't really have to. There's plenty of room for the courts to rule that a black armband is not disruptive while a t-shirt with guns on it or whatever is. I have no idea how they might rule on this, but it's definitely not a case of because A -> B.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

We don't really have to. There's plenty of room for the courts to rule that a black armband is not disruptive while a t-shirt with guns on it or whatever is. I have no idea how they might rule on this, but it's definitely not a case of because A -> B.

It depends. If it's ruled a matter of an expression of a right that's completely different from having a prohibited object, which no one has determined it to be yet. The particulars will determine the outcome. That the teacher doesn't like it and declares it disruptive probably isn't going to be a good defense.

 

[Incorruptible]

Didn't you just start a thread not long ago about how wrong it was for a school to allow kids to voluntarily wear "evil muslim stuff"? Now when its something that you agree with you are all over the free speech angle.

Those students were telling others that the burka is part of the religion when it's not and it is used by men to control women. Those students were idiots and PC. The schools were also teaching that terrorists are freedom fighters.

This is the school pursuing an agenda to indoctrinate children.

 

[marincounty]

Our children must conform, to more easily indoctrinate them. Without indoctrinating their youth, we cannot assure our survival in the future.

It matters not which side the teacher chooses to shut down, for they are the same minus very few differences which are their key debate points. Two arms connecting to the same torso.

The children must conform, it's called learning. We don't have 30 different ways of teaching per classroom. We don't teach science and creationism, at least not here.
We're not teaching your kid ebonics, even if that's what they speak at home.
It's sad what the public schools have to put up with, a lot of these kids would be thrown out of any private school in a hearbeat.

 

[monovillage]

The children must conform, it's called learning. We don't have 30 different ways of teaching per classroom. We don't teach science and creationism, at least not here.
We're not teaching your kid ebonics, even if that's what they speak at home.
It's sad what the public schools have to put up with, a lot of these kids would be thrown out of any private school in a hearbeat.

Bullying by teachers aren't doing the kids any good. Is there any reason his parents weren't called?

 

[umbrella39]

Didn't you just start a thread not long ago about how wrong it was for a school to allow kids to voluntarily wear "evil muslim stuff"? Now when its something that you agree with you are all over the free speech angle.

His parody agenda isn't consistent at all. He's like Zendari/Winnar111 but more mongoloid...

 

[Juror No. 8]

The children must conform, it's called learning.

Learning what, exactly? What the fuck are you teaching kids these days? Why are they so incapable of thinking critically and independently? Why are they so incapable of original thought? Why are they still thinking at a fifth-grade level when they graduate from high school?

Government schools aren't in the business of teaching anything but how to be a good little tax cow who doesn't question anything and is easily controlled. That's precisely what this tee shirt incident was all about. The student in question wore a shirt with an unapproved message on it that essentially challenged the prevailing government-media narrative. When he didn't immediately comply with a request to hide the message by turning his shirt inside-out, he was punished and arrested.

Nobody learns anything useful in an authoritarian, shit hole place like that.

 

[Bowfinger]

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