Another Year of Segregated Proms

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Andrew1990

The white prom, students say, remains governed by a largely unspoken set of rules about who may come.

Well right now we don't exactly have all the policies that the "racist" party has. The party was set up privately by the parents and they can invite whoever they want.

I believe a private party does not have to be open to the public and can invite who they want.


Do I think it is right that black and white students are segregated though, no. Do I believe that a group of people who fund a private party can bar people they don't like coming to a party, Yes.

The school set up a prom that did not segregate, it was open to all races. Just because some hillbilly backwoods parents wanted to have their own party for their children doesnt make them evil. For all we know they white only party had better food and therefor all the white kids wanted to go to that party and not mingle with the official prom.

Of course they have the RIGHT to be racists if they want, but it doesn't change the fact that they are racists.

Your attempts to excuse this as anything other than naked racism require an awful lot of rationalization. Who cares if it had better food? If they didn't mind hanging around black people, they would have invited at least one. Are you trying to say that in a town that is 1/3 black, that there isn't even ONE black person that the white people liked enough to invite to their prom?

Just call a spade a spade, man. Nobody's trying to send these idiots to jail for having a racist prom, but we should all be able to admit blatant racism when we see it.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: woodie1
Segregated Proms - Now there's something to worry about. If my tax dollars aren't involved I could care less.

Tax dollars give these people a better life, provide them services. Thus these people are government property with tax dollars involved. Maybe whatever they do is government business and can be regulated accordingly.

 

[Andrew1990]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Andrew1990

The white prom, students say, remains governed by a largely unspoken set of rules about who may come.

Well right now we don't exactly have all the policies that the "racist" party has. The party was set up privately by the parents and they can invite whoever they want.

I believe a private party does not have to be open to the public and can invite who they want.


Do I think it is right that black and white students are segregated though, no. Do I believe that a group of people who fund a private party can bar people they don't like coming to a party, Yes.

The school set up a prom that did not segregate, it was open to all races. Just because some hillbilly backwoods parents wanted to have their own party for their children doesnt make them evil. For all we know they white only party had better food and therefor all the white kids wanted to go to that party and not mingle with the official prom.

Of course they have the RIGHT to be racists if they want, but it doesn't change the fact that they are racists.

Your attempts to excuse this as anything other than naked racism require an awful lot of rationalization. Who cares if it had better food? If they didn't mind hanging around black people, they would have invited at least one. Are you trying to say that in a town that is 1/3 black, that there isn't even ONE black person that the white people liked enough to invite to their prom?

Just call a spade a spade, man. Nobody's trying to send these idiots to jail for having a racist prom, but we should all be able to admit blatant racism when we see it.

Well they may or may not be racist. Labeling the entire group racist isnt right. The kids are most likely innocent as they did not fund the private party. Some of parents "could" be racist but I dont know exactly what happened so I will not label anyone racist for lack of information.

I dont really care if someone is racist or not. You cant really change them and they have every right to be unless they start violating others rights.


As of now, this segregated prom does not seem to be causing any serious problems. Now if they were to combine them, then you will possibly have the parents complaining and possibly causing problems.

 

[frostedflakes]

Originally posted by: Andrew1990

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: Andrew1990
The school related prom is OPEN to ALL Races as stated in the article. Th so called segregated prom is a private party financed by parents of the party who attend the "side" prom.

I dont see any problem with this. The school allows all races to attend their prom while a private party restricts who comes.



That is like saying I am racist because I did not invite any Muslims or blacks to my private birthday party.

If your private birthday party has a policy of "whites only," then you are a racist.

BTW, Muslim isn't a race.

The white prom, students say, remains governed by a largely unspoken set of rules about who may come.

Well right now we don't exactly have all the policies that the "racist" party has. The party was set up privately by the parents and they can invite whoever they want.

I believe a private party does not have to be open to the public and can invite who they want.


Do I think it is right that black and white students are segregated though, no. Do I believe that a group of people who fund a private party can bar people they don't like coming to a party, Yes.

The school set up a prom that did not segregate, it was open to all races. Just because some hillbilly backwoods parents wanted to have their own party for their children doesnt make them evil. For all we know they white only party had better food and therefor all the white kids wanted to go to that party and not mingle with the official prom.

Nobody has claimed what they are doing is illegal, they are well within their rights to invite whoever they want to a private event. It is racist, though.

 

[5150Joker]

Why do blacks insist on being included in events that whites are involved in? Screw them. Just do your own thing and let the Whites have their boring parties with crap music. Besides, what the blacks should do is invite all the other minorities to their prom and maybe try to book some famous black hip hop artist and have a great time. Who needs whites to have fun? Hell most of them are boring with a bad sense of humor.

 

[Nitemare]

Small hick towns in the Deep South are full of inbred retards who didn't get the memo about desegregation.

Case in point the Jena 6.

It's going to be hard to get rid of racism until all the old fart/good old boys die and aren't able to pass on their ignorance and stupidity to their offspring.

Up until recently Bob Jones U prohibited blacks from attending it's school. it wasn't until the Federal Government threatened to pull it's exempt religious status that it allowed them.

Even after allowing blacks to enroll, any dating between the races would result in expulsion.



Question to ponder....how can there be Separation of Church and State and a true secular society when churches get an exemption from paying taxes?

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Nitemare
Small hick towns in the Deep South are full of inbred retards who didn't get the memo about desegregation.

Case in point the Jena 6.

It's going to be hard to get rid of racism until all the old fart/good old boys die and aren't able to pass on their ignorance and stupidity to their offspring.

Up until recently Bob Jones U prohibited blacks from attending it's school. it wasn't until the Federal Government threatened to pull it's exempt religious status that it allowed them.

Even after allowing blacks to enroll, any dating between the races would result in expulsion.



Question to ponder....how can there be Separation of Church and State and a true secular society when churches get an exemption from paying taxes?

No religious institution should be exempt from taxes or receive any kind of special treatment in my opinion.

 

[Fox5]

Wait, so how is there a 'white' prom, and then a 'black, but anyone is allowed' prom? Shouldn't both proms be open to anyone who wants to go? I don't have too much of a problem with two proms serving two separate cultural groups, but if one prom really is white only, that's pretty messed up.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

No religious institution should be exempt from taxes or receive any kind of special treatment in my opinion.

I agree in principle, but in practice regulating, taxing, and auditing religions in America would open up a nightmare of first amendment issues. I think the cure would be worse than the disease.

 

[frostedflakes]

Well it's not like we give special treatment to religious institutions, many non-profits (private religious schools included) qualify for tax-exempt status.

Getting a bit off-topic here, but there is nothing in the constitution about "separation of church and state." Read up on the free exercise and establishment clauses and you will understand why tax exempt status for religious universities is constitutional. It in no way prevents you from practicing your religion of choice and it does not force a particular religion on you.

 

[ScottyB]

Originally posted by: Fox5
Wait, so how is there a 'white' prom, and then a 'black, but anyone is allowed' prom? Shouldn't both proms be open to anyone who wants to go? I don't have too much of a problem with two proms serving two separate cultural groups, but if one prom really is white only, that's pretty messed up.

According to those involved, no one is disallowed from each prom. It is just that people go to one or the other. I don't see a problem with this as they are private. The school should throw its own prom though to counteract this.

This seems to me the same as racially segregated neighborhoods. People bitch and moan, but people like to be around others with the same backgrounds. I'm a loud, energetic, well-educated liberal. I want to be around other loud, energetic, well-educated, liberals. The majority of those tend to be white people in urban/suburban areas. That is where I want to live. I don't want to live in the boonies with lower-educated, rural whites; and I don't want to live in the inner-city with lower-educated, urban minorities.

 

[n yusef]

Originally posted by: ScottyB

Originally posted by: Fox5
Wait, so how is there a 'white' prom, and then a 'black, but anyone is allowed' prom? Shouldn't both proms be open to anyone who wants to go? I don't have too much of a problem with two proms serving two separate cultural groups, but if one prom really is white only, that's pretty messed up.

According to those involved, no one is disallowed from each prom. It is just that people go to one or the other. I don't see a problem with this as they are private. The school should throw its own prom though to counteract this.

This seems to me the same as racially segregated neighborhoods. People bitch and moan, but people like to be around others with the same backgrounds. I'm a loud, energetic, well-educated liberal. I want to be around other loud, energetic, well-educated, liberals. The majority of those tend to be white people in urban/suburban areas. That is where I want to live. I don't want to live in the boonies with lower-educated, rural whites; and I don't want to live in the inner-city with lower-educated, urban minorities.

First, you obviously didn't read the article; the white prom is "whites only." Second, you obviously aren't that liberal, or that bright. How do you live with "loud, energetic, well-educated, white liberals in urban areas" while avoiding the "lower-educated, urban minorities" from the "inner city"? Why do you think it's OK to assume that everyone with an identity, upbringing or lifestyle different from your own is "lower-educated?"

A real progressive wouldn't support racially segregated neighborhoods, or attempt to justify them as only education- or economic-based segregation. There is a long and ongoing history of "whites only" communities in this country. Just because you call yourself a liberal doesn't mean you are one, or that you aren't a racist.

 

[Possessed Freak]

Originally posted by: n yusef
...

I finally get it. Anyone who disagrees with you is a racist.

WWNYS: What Would N Yusef Say?

 

[n yusef]

Originally posted by: Possessed Freak

Originally posted by: n yusef
...

I finally get it. Anyone who disagrees with you is a racist.

WWNYS: What Would N Yusef Say?

More like: anyone who supports racial segregation/"whites only" spaces is a racist.

 

[Brainonska511]

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: Possessed Freak

Originally posted by: n yusef
...

I finally get it. Anyone who disagrees with you is a racist.

WWNYS: What Would N Yusef Say?

More like: anyone who supports racial segregation/"whites only" spaces is a racist.

What about "blacks only" or "nonwhites only"? Is that racist too?

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: Possessed Freak

Originally posted by: n yusef
...

I finally get it. Anyone who disagrees with you is a racist.

Pretty much. I think that if you didn't come into this thread to post, "Rabble, rabble, rabble! I agree with n yusef!," you're not really welcome to participate in this "discussion."

 

[frostedflakes]

Meh, I think n yusef is a pretty big hypocrite (see the thread where he supports blacks shopping only at black-owned businesses), but he's 100% right on this. Segregated proms are racist, simple as that. I'm surprised so many in this thread seem to be OK with it.

 

[n yusef]

Originally posted by: Brainonska511
What about "blacks only" or "nonwhites only"? Is that racist too?

Can you provide an example of a modern American space or organization that excludes whites? Supremacist groups with four members like the New Black Panther Party don't count.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Why do blacks insist on being included in events that whites are involved in? Screw them. Just do your own thing and let the Whites have their boring parties with crap music. Besides, what the blacks should do is invite all the other minorities to their prom and maybe try to book some famous black hip hop artist and have a great time. Who needs whites to have fun? Hell most of them are boring with a bad sense of humor.

Republicans.txt

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Meh, I think n yusef is a pretty big hypocrite (see the thread where he supports blacks shopping only at black-owned businesses), but he's 100% right on this. Segregated proms are racist, simple as that. I'm surprised so many in this thread seem to be OK with it.

This. Even a racist tool like n yusef can be right on the subject of racism once in a great while...

 

[Andrew1990]

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: Brainonska511
What about "blacks only" or "nonwhites only"? Is that racist too?

Can you provide an example of a modern American space or organization that excludes whites? Supremacist groups with four members like the New Black Panther Party don't count.

Hmm, what about Detroit?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZi05MMkLxA

 

[n yusef]

Originally posted by: Andrew1990
Hmm, what about Detroit?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZi05MMkLxA

I stopped watching at 2:08 when the text, "Gimme a fucking break. White people did more with the continent of africa [sic] in a few hundred years than blacks had produced in 10,000," was displayed in response to the councilwoman's statement that Europeans raped Africa.

Just prior to that, the genocide of Native Americans was justified by the existence of Native reservations, casinos and college scholarships.

As far as I know, there is no segregation or exclusion of whites in Detroit.

EDIT: I just started the video back up, and the next text advocated Apartheid.

Ban.

 

[ScottyB]

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: ScottyB

Originally posted by: Fox5
Wait, so how is there a 'white' prom, and then a 'black, but anyone is allowed' prom? Shouldn't both proms be open to anyone who wants to go? I don't have too much of a problem with two proms serving two separate cultural groups, but if one prom really is white only, that's pretty messed up.

According to those involved, no one is disallowed from each prom. It is just that people go to one or the other. I don't see a problem with this as they are private. The school should throw its own prom though to counteract this.

This seems to me the same as racially segregated neighborhoods. People bitch and moan, but people like to be around others with the same backgrounds. I'm a loud, energetic, well-educated liberal. I want to be around other loud, energetic, well-educated, liberals. The majority of those tend to be white people in urban/suburban areas. That is where I want to live. I don't want to live in the boonies with lower-educated, rural whites; and I don't want to live in the inner-city with lower-educated, urban minorities.

First, you obviously didn't read the article; the white prom is "whites only." Second, you obviously aren't that liberal, or that bright. How do you live with "loud, energetic, well-educated, white liberals in urban areas" while avoiding the "lower-educated, urban minorities" from the "inner city"? Why do you think it's OK to assume that everyone with an identity, upbringing or lifestyle different from your own is "lower-educated?"

A real progressive wouldn't support racially segregated neighborhoods, or attempt to justify them as only education- or economic-based segregation. There is a long and ongoing history of "whites only" communities in this country. Just because you call yourself a liberal doesn't mean you are one, or that you aren't a racist.

I don't assume that everyone with an "identity, upbringing or lifestyle different from [my] own"
is lower educated. I assume that the majority of people living in the inner city and rural areas have less education than me because statistically they do. I like to be around people with similar educational and political backgrounds regardless of race. The fact that most people with a similar education and political background are white and live in specific areas doesn't make me racists or non-progressive. In fact, the majority of my friends fit in a minority status. So, fuck off.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: ScottyB

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: ScottyB

Originally posted by: Fox5
Wait, so how is there a 'white' prom, and then a 'black, but anyone is allowed' prom? Shouldn't both proms be open to anyone who wants to go? I don't have too much of a problem with two proms serving two separate cultural groups, but if one prom really is white only, that's pretty messed up.

According to those involved, no one is disallowed from each prom. It is just that people go to one or the other. I don't see a problem with this as they are private. The school should throw its own prom though to counteract this.

This seems to me the same as racially segregated neighborhoods. People bitch and moan, but people like to be around others with the same backgrounds. I'm a loud, energetic, well-educated liberal. I want to be around other loud, energetic, well-educated, liberals. The majority of those tend to be white people in urban/suburban areas. That is where I want to live. I don't want to live in the boonies with lower-educated, rural whites; and I don't want to live in the inner-city with lower-educated, urban minorities.

First, you obviously didn't read the article; the white prom is "whites only." Second, you obviously aren't that liberal, or that bright. How do you live with "loud, energetic, well-educated, white liberals in urban areas" while avoiding the "lower-educated, urban minorities" from the "inner city"? Why do you think it's OK to assume that everyone with an identity, upbringing or lifestyle different from your own is "lower-educated?"

A real progressive wouldn't support racially segregated neighborhoods, or attempt to justify them as only education- or economic-based segregation. There is a long and ongoing history of "whites only" communities in this country. Just because you call yourself a liberal doesn't mean you are one, or that you aren't a racist.

I don't assume that everyone with an "identity, upbringing or lifestyle different from [my] own"
is lower educated. I assume that the majority of people living in the inner city and rural areas have less education than me because statistically they do. I like to be around people with similar educational and political backgrounds regardless of race. The fact that most people with a similar education and political background are white and live in specific areas doesn't make me racists or non-progressive. In fact, the majority of my friends fit in a minority status. So, fuck off.

You coulda just said 'i'm not racist, my best friend is black!' (even if it's not true)

 

[ScottyB]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: ScottyB

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: ScottyB

Originally posted by: Fox5
Wait, so how is there a 'white' prom, and then a 'black, but anyone is allowed' prom? Shouldn't both proms be open to anyone who wants to go? I don't have too much of a problem with two proms serving two separate cultural groups, but if one prom really is white only, that's pretty messed up.

According to those involved, no one is disallowed from each prom. It is just that people go to one or the other. I don't see a problem with this as they are private. The school should throw its own prom though to counteract this.

This seems to me the same as racially segregated neighborhoods. People bitch and moan, but people like to be around others with the same backgrounds. I'm a loud, energetic, well-educated liberal. I want to be around other loud, energetic, well-educated, liberals. The majority of those tend to be white people in urban/suburban areas. That is where I want to live. I don't want to live in the boonies with lower-educated, rural whites; and I don't want to live in the inner-city with lower-educated, urban minorities.

First, you obviously didn't read the article; the white prom is "whites only." Second, you obviously aren't that liberal, or that bright. How do you live with "loud, energetic, well-educated, white liberals in urban areas" while avoiding the "lower-educated, urban minorities" from the "inner city"? Why do you think it's OK to assume that everyone with an identity, upbringing or lifestyle different from your own is "lower-educated?"

A real progressive wouldn't support racially segregated neighborhoods, or attempt to justify them as only education- or economic-based segregation. There is a long and ongoing history of "whites only" communities in this country. Just because you call yourself a liberal doesn't mean you are one, or that you aren't a racist.

I don't assume that everyone with an "identity, upbringing or lifestyle different from [my] own"
is lower educated. I assume that the majority of people living in the inner city and rural areas have less education than me because statistically they do. I like to be around people with similar educational and political backgrounds regardless of race. The fact that most people with a similar education and political background are white and live in specific areas doesn't make me racists or non-progressive. In fact, the majority of my friends fit in a minority status. So, fuck off.

You coulda just said 'i'm not racist, my best friend is black!' (even if it's not true)

But my best friend is Latino :-(