Another Year of Segregated Proms

[Sacrilege]

A lot of "segregated" proms are because the different races want to listen to different music. The majority of whites want to hear rock or the latest emo hits, and the majority of blacks want to hear rap and hip hop. Of course, as usual, this is construed by some to be repression by the white occupation forces.

 

[TheSlamma]

Originally posted by: babylon5

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Where do the Asians, Hispanics, etc. go?

Sorry, this battle is for Black and White only

You really think they are dumb enough to live down there?

 

[Andrew1990]

Originally posted by: n yusef

Let me repost a quote, "The prom is the least of our problems," says Angel Howard, a black student, "We can't fix the prom until we fix the school. And then when the school comes together and no longer sees color, then the prom can come together and no longer see color."

Exactly, for all we know the black students could be trying to physically harm the innocent white students or vice versa.....


Separating them might have stopped violence depending on any ill feelings either race has.





Also the music thing is a solid defense. I recently went on a boat cruise 2 weeks ago as part of a school trip. 3 schools chipped in for the cost. OUR little country town with 98% white students with a couple of inner city 100% black schools.

It was pretty funny though. When the rap and stuff was playing the inner city schools loved it. Once you put on the rock they all start complaining so we had to listed to more rap until the ship docked.

 

[Double Trouble]

Originally posted by: Sacrilege
A lot of "segregated" proms are because the different races want to listen to different music. The majority of whites want to hear rock or the latest emo hits, and the majority of blacks want to hear rap and hip hop. Of course, as usual, this is construed by some to be repression by the white occupation forces.

Interesting point, insofar as it relates to de facto voluntary segregation. I'm guessing there's a lot of that going on with these separate proms as well, but I don't see how anyone could justify banning someone from a prom based on race. If someone chooses to go to one prom or the other based on their taste in music, people, location, whatever, that's fine.... but banning someone based on race is plain stupid (well within their rights, but stupid).

 

[woodie1]

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: woodie1
Segregated Proms - Now there's something to worry about. If my tax dollars aren't involved I could care less.

Then why post in this thread? I haven't advocated any policy changes. I just think that racial segregation is troubling, and that it doesn't exist in a vacuum. I doubt that prom segregation is the only form of racism in this community.

I stated my opinion. Last I heard that was the general idea. I don't consider prom segregation to be any form of racism. I love these people (you maybe) who find racism behind every rock.

 

[frostedflakes]

I'm hardly one to find racism behind every rock and I think this is very wrong, but whatever.

 

[brandonbull]

If that's what they want, who makes us the ruler of the "that's not correct" council?

 

[n yusef]

If any of you read the article, you would know that white and black students were friends, and interacted with each other in school every day. It would be silly for an integrated school to segregate prom as a safety measure. In case you haven't heard, millions of white people listen to hip hop music.

Racial segregation of prom is racism. Period. It's ridiculous that anyone would try to defend it.

 

[brandonbull]

Originally posted by: n yusef
If any of you read the article, you would know that white and black students were friends, and interacted with each other in school every day. It would be silly for an integrated school to segregate prom as a safety measure. In case you haven't heard, millions of white people listen to hip hop music.

Racial segregation of prom is racism. Period. It's ridiculous that anyone would try to defend it.

If they want it that way, why is it wrong?

 

[n yusef]

Originally posted by: brandonbull

Originally posted by: n yusef
If any of you read the article, you would know that white and black students were friends, and interacted with each other in school every day. It would be silly for an integrated school to segregate prom as a safety measure. In case you haven't heard, millions of white people listen to hip hop music.

Racial segregation of prom is racism. Period. It's ridiculous that anyone would try to defend it.

If they want it that way, why is it wrong?

Do you need me to tell you why racism is wrong?

 

[brandonbull]

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: brandonbull

Originally posted by: n yusef
If any of you read the article, you would know that white and black students were friends, and interacted with each other in school every day. It would be silly for an integrated school to segregate prom as a safety measure. In case you haven't heard, millions of white people listen to hip hop music.

Racial segregation of prom is racism. Period. It's ridiculous that anyone would try to defend it.

If they want it that way, why is it wrong?

Do you need me to tell you why racism is wrong?

What I want is for you to tell me where you have the right to judge others and label them because certain actions do not match yours.

You are judging a community because their culture is different than yours. I'm sure acceptable standards in your community others would call unacceptable.

 

[sandorski]

Tradition born out of Morally Bankrupt Ideals is Tradition worth ending. It doesn't matter whether everyone seems ok about it, it's not OK by any Standards.

 

[n yusef]

Originally posted by: brandonbull
You are judging a community because their culture is different than yours. I'm sure acceptable standards in your community others would call unacceptable.

I didn't expect you to be a moral relativist.

 

[brandonbull]

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: brandonbull
You are judging a community because their culture is different than yours. I'm sure acceptable standards in your community others would call unacceptable.

I didn't expect you to be a moral relativist.

And what moral grounds do I stand on? You don't know. All you know is I didn't drink your kool aid and now you have to insult me in hopes of creating a wolf pack to force me to reiterate your moral position.

And I don't expect you to be a strong believer in personal freedoms, comrade.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: brandonbull

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: brandonbull
You are judging a community because their culture is different than yours. I'm sure acceptable standards in your community others would call unacceptable.

I didn't expect you to be a moral relativist.

And what moral grounds do I stand on? You don't know. All you know is I didn't drink your kool aid and now you have to insult me in hopes of creating a wolf pack to force me to reiterate your moral position.

And I don't expect you to be a strong believer in personal freedoms, comrade.

Do you know?

 

[brandonbull]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: brandonbull

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: brandonbull
You are judging a community because their culture is different than yours. I'm sure acceptable standards in your community others would call unacceptable.

I didn't expect you to be a moral relativist.

And what moral grounds do I stand on? You don't know. All you know is I didn't drink your kool aid and now you have to insult me in hopes of creating a wolf pack to force me to reiterate your moral position.

And I don't expect you to be a strong believer in personal freedoms, comrade.

Do you know?

I do know and my moral compass is not the topic of this discussion.

 

[n yusef]

Originally posted by: brandonbull
And what moral grounds do I stand on? You don't know. All you know is I didn't drink your kool aid and now you have to insult me in hopes of creating a wolf pack to force me to reiterate your moral position.

And I don't expect you to be a strong believer in personal freedoms, comrade.

I didn't mean to insult you. I'm genuinely surprised (and somewhat doubtful) that you honestly support cultural rights over civil rights. That's a stereotypically liberal position. It's also silly.

Do you support female genital mutilation? If not, wouldn't that be judging communities because their culture is different from yours?

I may not be a "strong believer in personal freedoms," but I do support civil rights. In many instances, I think that the right not to be discriminated against should be valued above the freedom to discriminate. Still, I have not advocated any policy to combat prom segregation, because it's only a symptom of the greater problem of racism. I know that you'll disagree that racism is a problem. Many white people didn't think it was a problem while Jim Crow laws were still on the books.

 

[brandonbull]

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: brandonbull
And what moral grounds do I stand on? You don't know. All you know is I didn't drink your kool aid and now you have to insult me in hopes of creating a wolf pack to force me to reiterate your moral position.

And I don't expect you to be a strong believer in personal freedoms, comrade.

I didn't mean to insult you. I'm genuinely surprised (and somewhat doubtful) that you honestly support cultural rights over civil rights. That's a stereotypically liberal position. It's also silly.

Do you support female genital mutilation? If not, wouldn't that be judging communities because their culture is different from yours?

I may not be a "strong believer in personal freedoms," but I do support civil rights. In many instances, I think that the right not to be discriminated against should be valued above the freedom to discriminate. Still, I have not advocated any policy to combat prom segregation, because it's only a symptom of the greater problem of racism. I know that you'll disagree that racism is a problem. Many white people didn't think it was a problem while Jim Crow laws were still on the books.

And exactly how did you arrive at this conclusion?

What are the rules in placing cultural rights in relation to civil rights?

How does a society rule when someone is being a racists and when someone is making a personal choice based on their personal feelings? Most of the problems between "whites" and "blacks" is not from hate but from comfort level and identifying with certain groups.

 

[n yusef]

Originally posted by: brandonbull
And exactly how did you arrive at this conclusion?

What are the rules in placing cultural rights in relation to civil rights?

How does a society rule when someone is being a racists and when someone is making a personal choice based on their personal feelings? Most of the problems between "whites" and "blacks" is not from hate but from comfort level and identifying with certain groups.

If you support racial segregation, that means that you disagree that racism is a problem.

In case you don't know, racism can come in the form of "a personal choice based on personal feelings." Not all choices or feelings are good, nor should they all be respected. I repeat, do you support female genital mutilation?

 

[brandonbull]

What is your point of my support for female genital mutilation? How does that change that fact that I'm more comfortable with people that I relate to?

I don't live in a culture that supports female genital mutilation but I do live in society that supports male genital mutilation. I wonder how many people out there would stop that practice if they could?

 

[n yusef]

Originally posted by: brandonbull
What is your point of my support for female genital mutilation? How does that change that fact that I'm more comfortable with people that I relate to?

I don't live in a culture that supports female genital mutilation but I do live in society that supports male genital mutilation. I wonder how many people out there would stop that practice if they could?

You are judging a community because their culture is different than yours.

You think that cultural differences justify traditions, even those that violate the peoples' rights. FGM is a cultural tradition that violates peoples' rights. Do you support it as well?

@the bolded: I don't even know why I'm still arguing with a racist. "People that I relate to" is obviously code for "white people." I don't know why you assume that you relate to white people more than you relate to people of color. There are billions of people in the world, and to prejudge them all based on race is just stupid.

It was stupid of me to respond to you. I'll stop now.

 

[Andrew1990]

The school related prom is OPEN to ALL Races as stated in the article. Th so called segregated prom is a private party financed by parents of the party who attend the "side" prom.

I dont see any problem with this. The school allows all races to attend their prom while a private party restricts who comes.



That is like saying I am racist because I did not invite any Muslims or blacks to my private birthday party.

 

[n yusef]

Originally posted by: Andrew1990
The school related prom is OPEN to ALL Races as stated in the article. Th so called segregated prom is a private party financed by parents of the party who attend the "side" prom.

I dont see any problem with this. The school allows all races to attend their prom while a private party restricts who comes.



That is like saying I am racist because I did not invite any Muslims or blacks to my private birthday party.

If your private birthday party has a policy of "whites only," then you are a racist.

BTW, Muslim isn't a race.

 

[Andrew1990]

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: Andrew1990
The school related prom is OPEN to ALL Races as stated in the article. Th so called segregated prom is a private party financed by parents of the party who attend the "side" prom.

I dont see any problem with this. The school allows all races to attend their prom while a private party restricts who comes.



That is like saying I am racist because I did not invite any Muslims or blacks to my private birthday party.

If your private birthday party has a policy of "whites only," then you are a racist.

BTW, Muslim isn't a race.

The white prom, students say, remains governed by a largely unspoken set of rules about who may come.

Well right now we don't exactly have all the policies that the "racist" party has. The party was set up privately by the parents and they can invite whoever they want.

I believe a private party does not have to be open to the public and can invite who they want.


Do I think it is right that black and white students are segregated though, no. Do I believe that a group of people who fund a private party can bar people they don't like coming to a party, Yes.

The school set up a prom that did not segregate, it was open to all races. Just because some hillbilly backwoods parents wanted to have their own party for their children doesnt make them evil. For all we know they white only party had better food and therefor all the white kids wanted to go to that party and not mingle with the official prom.

 

[techs]

Yes, it seems absolutely legal.

Yes, the b.s. about its "heritage" was the same thing that many people said about segregated schools and accomadations for years.

Yes, for at least some people its done for racist reasons.

No, the government shouldn't be involved in this.

Yes, it's harmful to at least some kids.

Yes, flying the confederate flag is probably a symbol of racism by some whites and seen as symbol of racism by blacks.

No, the confederate flag should not be flown on any public buildings. If just for the reason its the flag of traitors.

And the simple solution would be for the organizers of mutliple proms to give each other a call and get together on a single prom.