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Avvocato Effetti

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I have nothing against Christianity except where we see this exclusivity. Christianity is one real path. Why can't you be content with that?

There my by many ways to live a satisfying life.

There is only one way to get into Heaven and avoid Hell. Accept Jesus as Savior.

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It is Written: "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

Again you fall to religious teachings. God gave us Ten commandments . Very common sense stuff here . Except 1 . Keep Holy the Lords day . Religion has changed that to a day in the week . The Lords day is not a day in the week but a monent in time . When is that Time. I won't go into all the Boo ya scarred yet stuff. But that time is when Man becomes enlightened and God can rest from his works and we can rejoice in the trueth.
 

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There is only one way to get into Heaven and avoid Hell. Accept Jesus as Savior

Are you foolish enough to think that a name is all that required to be saved . It is the teachings of Christ that lead to enlightenment . Again you fall to religious teachings . Christ is away of life that all men need to follow to live together as a collective were there is no war no starvation no BS leaders. You want me to except life on earth as a trial to get to heaven . No I can't do that . We have to live that life and Christ was the example of that life. I am not saying I don't believe In heaven . But man can bring abit of that heaven to earth rather than this Hell which the earth is to the majority of its people . Think man . Christ not only wanted to save your spirit but your Soul also (FLESH). Can't you see that . Until you do your part of the problem .
 

Madwand1

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I have nothing against Christianity except where we see this exclusivity. Christianity is one real path. Why can't you be content with that?

It is because he has bought a lie -- that a certain amount of belief in Jesus, with its natural and attendant chauvinism to that effect is sufficient for eternal salvation. The problem he faces in this view is very hard -- to give up that promise which he has entrenched in himself, while been told that the very belief is necessary and sufficient.

It might well be that this is the best he does for the time being, and the best we can do is to affirm the acts and words of the Christ in practice and word, while denying that chauvinistic interpretation and degradation of Christ and Christianity and further chauvinism of our own.

While I think I understand the difficulties in going beyond that chauvinism, the path ahead is also very clear -- to love God as not just the God for myself, but for others as well, and to appreciate that the globalization which is stronger now than ever before, is also a gift to us from God in this time, such that we can better see the need for harmonious attitudes and outlook, and better recognize that the word of God was not limited to a single time and culture, but pervades all time and all cultures, for all souls, and all the better deserves our love, sacrifices, and attention towards that end.
 

Avvocato Effetti

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It is the teachings of Christ that lead to enlightenment

I agree that the teachings of Jesus will enlighten.

In order to get to heaven you must accept the sacrifice that a Holy God requires. That sacrifice was Jesus.

Accept him as savior and you are welcome to join me and others in Heaven.
 

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Lifer
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Your problem here is a simple one that I just cann't except . Your all about getting to heaven . I want peace on earth I want a little bit of that heaven here . I am materilistic to a degree . I thank the Lord for what I have, If he demands it from me he can take it and I have no problem with that . But I living in the Flesh right now and I want some heaven here. So we all may rejoice in God here on earth as God intended Adam and Lilith to do in eden I want my full day of flesh(1000 years)
 

Avvocato Effetti

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We all want a peaceful life here on Earth.

As you know, that is a challenge because evil exists on the Earth, for now.

I wish you well.
 

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Lifer
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It is because he has bought a lie -- that a certain amount of belief in Jesus, with its natural and attendant chauvinism to that effect is sufficient for eternal salvation. The problem he faces in this view is very hard -- to give up that promise which he has entrenched in himself, while been told that the very belief is necessary and sufficient.

It might well be that this is the best he does for the time being, and the best we can do is to affirm the acts and words of the Christ in practice and word, while denying that chauvinistic interpretation and degradation of Christ and Christianity and further chauvinism of our own.

While I think I understand the difficulties in going beyond that chauvinism, the path ahead is also very clear -- to love God as not just the God for myself, but for others as well, and to appreciate that the globalization which is stronger now than ever before, is also a gift to us from God in this time, such that we can better see the need for harmonious attitudes and outlook, and better recognize that the word of God was not limited to a single time and culture, but pervades all time and all cultures, for all souls, and all the better deserves our love, sacrifices, and attention towards that end.

You spoke well .But also understand the first attempt at a global world is not being brought to us by the good guys . If you cann't see that your as blind as he is. So you will fall inline like a good little sheep while the Big bad wolf feeds on my brothers. You tell me how it can happen any other way .
 

Madwand1

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You tell me how it can happen any other way.

We all learn to recognize good from bad from the time that we are children, and should give each other credit from some recognition of that and for personally bearing responsibility for harm we cause. This is the stuff of children and young nations and minds, and the greater challenges are not in recognizing the evil outside us, but in recognizing what good can possibly be, and especially in recognizing evil which comes from ourselves.

God is beyond good and evil. The heaven of one such as Christ is the greatest heaven, far beyond good and evil and a test of even an entire life. It is not cheap. It is not trivially reached. It is worth every sacrifice, and the sacrifice of every other heaven and a false heaven of a happy life on earth, and is priced accordingly.
 

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Lifer
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We all learn to recognize good from bad from the time that we are children, and should give each other credit from some recognition of that and for personally bearing responsibility for harm we cause. This is the stuff of children and young nations and minds, and the greater challenges are not in recognizing the evil outside us, but in recognizing what good can possibly be, and especially in recognizing evil which comes from ourselves.

God is beyond good and evil. The heaven of one such as Christ is the greatest heaven, far beyond good and evil and a test of even an entire life. It is not cheap. It is not trivially reached. It is worth every sacrifice, and the sacrifice of every other heaven and a false heaven of a happy life on earth, and is priced accordingly.

Look were going outside along ways from the intended topic . I am not capable of judgeing my fellow man . So naturually I see a world whos judgement has failed . Thats about all the further I care to go on this .
 

Moonbeam

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I agree that the teachings of Jesus will enlighten.

In order to get to heaven you must accept the sacrifice that a Holy God requires. That sacrifice was Jesus.

Accept him as savior and you are welcome to join me and others in Heaven.

Yes, a heaven of power and self importance, the country club of baskers in imaginary glory and keepers of the short bus ignition key.

God is greater than anything that can be imagined and it's really very easy to imagine a God greater than yours, who admits only a special group to heaven. But you have chosen feeling special over heaven, the kingdom of which is within us and can be found nowhere but in ones heart, and as I told you, Jesus is another word for the heart.

But anyway, there is nothing to be gained by further conversation. By excluding others from your heaven your heaven has become your prison and reward. For you the feeling of being special will have to do.
 

Avvocato Effetti

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I know Jesus and God, do you?

It's not correct to characterize God as a Country Club snob.

He's after sinners, like you and me.
 

Moonbeam

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Your problem here is a simple one that I just cann't except . Your all about getting to heaven . I want peace on earth I want a little bit of that heaven here . I am materilistic to a degree . I thank the Lord for what I have, If he demands it from me he can take it and I have no problem with that . But I living in the Flesh right now and I want some heaven here. So we all may rejoice in God here on earth as God intended Adam and Lilith to do in eden I want my full day of flesh(1000 years)

Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.........

I can think of two ways to this.....

That we act like God or that we accept all that is as it is, the Will of God.

It is not what is that causes distress but ones attitude towards it, no?

God give me the strength to change what I can, accept what I can't, and the wisdom to know the difference????????

To surrender totally to what is is to have no ego.
 

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Tell me something Effetti Tell me the meaning of what Christ said when asked about the powers On earth . and the Christ said after a coin was used. Whos image is on that coin . The Christ said give to Ceaser that which is Ceasers and to God that which is Gods. . Becarefull here . This is the trap laid by. PAUL You can get the exact words used in the many differant Bibles and their interpetations if you so desire but you know that which I speak.
 

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Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.........

I can think of two ways to this.....

That we act like God or that we accept all that is as it is, the Will of God.

It is not what is that causes distress but ones attitude towards it, no?

God give me the strength to change what I can, accept what I can't, and the wisdom to know the difference????????

To surrender totally to what is is to have no ego.

This part here I have struggled with my entire life.

To surrender totally to what is is to have no ego

I have pretty good ike So I have a balance If God denies me something I will Know it . But if man does that is unexceptable to me knowing it is mans judgement and not Gods. As I said this is truelly the heart of the issue . I don't have any respect for those sitting in authority . I know them for what they are. But what does one do?
 

Avvocato Effetti

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Tell me something Effetti Tell me the meaning of what Christ said when asked about the powers On earth . and the Christ said after a coin was used. Whos image is on that coin . The Christ said give to Ceaser that which is Ceasers and to God that which is Gods. . Becarefull here . This is the trap laid by. PAUL You can get the exact words used in the many differant Bibles and their interpetations if you so desire but you know that which I speak.


I will answer your question with a question.

My brother came to you as a babe and a lamb to be sacrificed 2000 years ago. He put himself under your authority and allowed himself to be sacrificed as a result of his Words.

When he comes again (and that will be very soon) who take and hold power, Jesus or Ceaser?
 

Moonbeam

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This part here I have struggled with my entire life.

To surrender totally to what is is to have no ego

I have pretty good ike So I have a balance If God denies me something I will Know it . But if man does that is unexceptable to me knowing it is mans judgement and not Gods. As I said this is truelly the heart of the issue . I don't have any respect for those sitting in authority . I know them for what they are. But what does one do?

I now nothing, but it would seem to me that if one does something that doer is the ego. To surrender is to have no ego. Thy will be done not mine.

To do and have what one does be the will of God would be to have as ones own will the same as the will of God.

But in any case one can't will oneself to have no ego, it seems to me. I see the only hope there to be grace. That, it seems to me, is why Jesus taught the humble. The are already close to God by lacking ego. They have little to lose in losing their worthless self. Alternatively, one might feel how worthless we were all made to feel, the reason most of us have the false ego, the self that protects us from how bad we were made to feel.
 

Moonbeam

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You will do it Gods way or you are out. This day will be one that is recorded.

As yes, you are very a very special and powerful person dispensing condemnation. You to heaven and me to hell, oh Pope who excommunicates.

You have your reward.