Another thought experiment I need your imput on

[nobodyknows]

that's pretty much where 'thought experiments' that say the stuff that moonie does end up... all you need is a charismatic leader and some political and economic circumstances to all be in one place at one time and the shit goes in the fan...

just remember, whether someone is 'right' or 'wrong', when you back them into a corner you get an incredible response sometimes...

What Does It Matter To Ya
When You Got A Job To Do
You Gotta Do It Well
You Gotta Give The Other Fellow Hell

You Used To Say "Live And Let Live"
(You Know You Did, You Know You Did, You Know You Did)
But If This Ever Changing World In Which We're Live In
Makes You Give In And Cry
Say "Live And Let Die"
"Live And Let Die"

 

[Corn]

Could it be called self defense, getting rid of the religious bigots before they establish a world religion and an inquisition to support it?

When the swines you have for dinner are bent of destroying your freedom is it wrong to make bacon of them.

I would suggest that since we don't know who will win and spin from the Inquisition to Mao, maybe we should have some sort of pact onto which voters have to sign, that we will never legislate on moral matters since what is moral to one is evil to another. Maybe laws can only govern the physical, like I can't shoot you because it takes your right to life but you can't tell me who I can marry because it subtracts nothing tangible from you.

Another silly "progressive" chimes in with his distaste of the 1st amendment. Who will be next?

 

[nobodyknows]

If the people of the rpossibly the richest, most successful civilization in the history o9f man can't figure out how to get along amongest ourselves then what chance do we have but to descend into chaos? It has happened to every othergfreat civilization before us and if we don't pull our heads out of our butts and figure out how to get along with each other it will happen to us also.

 

[Nemesis 1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiXaT_1I-vw

 

[Patranus]

Frredom of choice does not mean the freedom to do as you please and hope that when your actions lead to your getting cancer or worse that society will shell out the bucks to keep you comfortable and happy while you sit there and die!!

The rate of AIDS is something like 50 times higher among homosexual men. Should that be illegal or should society be forced to "shell out the bucks to keep" them "comfortable and happy while " they" site there and die"?

 

[Moonbeam]

Another silly "progressive" chimes in with his distaste of the 1st amendment. Who will be next?

I was simply offering a suggestion to keep my free speech from killing you because it makes sense to me that I get you before you get me. So where did I go wrong? I was going to limit my speech as much as yours, it being a pact and all.

 

[cubeless]

I don't like it because I don't want the idiots in California telling me what to do and I don't want to move. Plus if a gay marries in Mass his marriage should be good here if he moves here.

if they could get married at mass that would solve all the problems (he yuk he yuk he yuk..)...

but don't worry moonster... when it all starts coming down we aren't really gonna let the religies be in charge... they're just tools like any other tool...

 

[Jaskalas]

I don't like it because I don't want the idiots in California telling me what to do and I don't want to move. Plus if a gay marries in Mass his marriage should be good here if he moves here.

I think that should be up to Californians to decide.

 

[Zebo]

Have to wonder which side I'd get killed by. Find homos disgusting but find individual liberty supersedes my bigotry.

 

[nobodyknows]

Another silly "progressive" chimes in with his distaste of the 1st amendment. Who will be next?

Quite frankly, who cares what the vegtables have to say?

 

[Zorkorist]

I would suggest that since we don't know who will win and spin from the Inquisition to Mao, maybe we should have some sort of pact onto which voters have to sign, that we will never legislate on moral matters since what is moral to one is evil to another. Maybe laws can only govern the physical, like I can't shoot you because it takes your right to life but you can't tell me who I can marry because it subtracts nothing tangible from you.

This is a good post, and I don't see how it limits anyone.

Restricting Government is almost always good.

-John

 

[Avvocato Effetti]

Recently, with Republicans using gay marriage as a wedge issue to bring folk to the polls, I have again been wondering what we should do when bigots come to the table expressing the opinion that certain fools (should have been foods)some enjoy should be banned.

Republicans are not using gay marriage as a wedge issue. Gays are advancing an agenda with money, time, political strategy, help from other anti American groups and support from dependent Americans in order to extract money from the haves to the have nots. In addition, gays seek to substitute government approval for God approval, which will never come.

Rational thinking people who grow up free from the social indoctrination of religious texts that have codified bigotry of one kind or another react powerfully when nut case fanatics try to vote to limit their rights. They want to pack the courts with liberals or violently respond, etc.

Are you serious? You classify a whole segment of Americans as "indoctrinated by religious texts"? That's funny, Mooney, faith in God is something you will have to deal with, forever.

Similarly, these folk who know the Word of God, are hell bent as it were, to save civilization from a repeat of Sodom and Gomorrah by cramming their notions of morality down others throats.

Not so. We are expressing our oppinon and advancing our view, just like you. We seek a prosperous and excepting Nation, just like you.

What we have here, it would seem, are folk who are sure they are right, one because of logic and reason, and the other because of faith.

Should one side be exterminated by the other for the overall peace it will bring, regardless of which, or should the side that is right eliminate the other? Is one side right? Can both be? Can neither be? What will be the future of our table?

I have news for you. In the near term, the government will seek to have those like me, exterminated. Much like Nazi Germany, your friends will seek to have me killed. It is the same spirit that seeks to ignore me on this site.

That said, I won't be here when you gain this power. Me and mine will be watching from a place of safety, until the time.

At that time, we will return to wrap this thing up. Those that insist on violating the Word of my Father will be cast into Hell.


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[Zorkorist]

We aren't going to come for you, Avocato. We don't care whom, how or why you Worship.

Just don't make us live like you do.

-John

 

[Ozoned]

In absence of religion and rights, of logic and reason, circumstance will teach individuals to be bigots. Homosexuals will be homesexuals because it feels good. Both of these things happen because it is natural for them to happen.

How can civilization usurp and destroy that which is natural without destroying itself?

 

[Zorkorist]

In absence of all that, there isn't much left.

But logic and reason, Religion and Rights, are all alive today, as they have been since Man had his first thoughts.

Civilization is tricky because it limits, logic and reason, Religion and Rights.

-John

 

[Avvocato Effetti]

In absence of religion and rights, of logic and reason, circumstance will teach individuals to be bigots. Homosexuals will be homesexuals because it feels good. Both of these things happen because it is natural for them to happen.

How can civilization usurp and destroy that which is natural without destroying itself?

It is interesting that you justify that which is truly unnatural, by the use of feelings as an indicator of correctness.

Feelings are changeable but the Word of God is unchangeable. Sex among individuals of the same sex is sin.

We aren't going to come for you, Avocato. We don't care whom, how or why you Worship.

Just don't make us live like you do.

-John

Thank you. I see that you have an accepting heart. Many who drive the gay agenda do not. The Anti Christ himself will decide to have sex with men. Study The Book of Revelation and you will be enlightened.

 

[Jaskalas]

Feelings are changeable but the Word of God is unchangeable.

Last I checked men can write whatever they want in their books.

 

[Patranus]

Just a heads up to all of the ultra liberal posters.
Where exactly do Americans get their inalienable rights from?
(Hint, it isn't the constitution)

The fact that the founding fathers were able to build such a nation on that principal should give you a hint as to what role religion (any religion) should serve in society.

 

[Avvocato Effetti]

Last I checked men can write whatever they want in their books.

Do you deny the possibility that here are men of Honor and Integrity?

These men bow their knee to the King and do what the King requires?

Is the entire population engaged in a selfish pursuit of physical gratification or perverse sexual acts?

 

[Ozoned]

It is interesting that you justify that which is truly unnatural, by the use of feelings as an indicator of correctness.

Feelings are changeable but the Word of God is unchangeable. Sex among individuals of the same sex is sin.

What need would we have for a God if not for sin and sinners?

 

[Zorkorist]

Just a heads up to all of the ultra liberal posters.
Where exactly do Americans get their inalienable rights from?
(Hint, it isn't the constitution)

The fact that the founding fathers were able to build such a nation on that principal should give you a hint as to what role religion (any religion) should serve in society.

We get our rights from within. We don't need a "God" to submit to, we are ourselves, strong, woman... hear me roar.

-John

 

[Avvocato Effetti]

What need would we have for a God if not for sin and sinners?

Hear wisdom.

It is God who wanted us, and it is we who then need God.

 

[Ozoned]

Hear wisdom.

It is God who wanted us, and it is we who then need God.

If we didn't sin, what would we need God for?

 

[Avvocato Effetti]

If we didn't sin, what would we need God for?

If God did not create us, we would never have had the option to sin.



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[Zorkorist]

Recently, with Republicans using gay marriage as a wedge issue to bring folk to the polls, I have again been wondering what we should do when bigots come to the table expressing the opinion that certain fools (should have been foods)some enjoy should be banned.

Rational thinking people who grow up free from the social indoctrination of religious texts that have codified bigotry of one kind or another react powerfully when nut case fanatics try to vote to limit their rights. They want to pack the courts with liberals or violently respond, etc.

Similarly, these folk who know the Word of God, are hell bent as it were, to save civilization from a repeat of Sodom and Gomorrah by cramming their notions of morality down others throats.

What we have here, it would seem, are folk who are sure they are right, one because of logic and reason, and the other because of faith.

Should one side be exterminated by the other for the overall peace it will bring, regardless of which, or should the side that is right eliminate the other? Is one side right? Can both be? Can neither be? What will be the future of our table?

I see Government as an extension of Religion. Both limit Man.

-John