Another migrant child dies in US Custody

[ivwshane]

You do realize that the number of Central American families and men with children crossing the border in remote locations to gain asylum has dramatically increased during the past several months and is overwhelming border resources, right? Various officials have been raising the red flag on this issue for months. Trump’s wall is not going to fix this problem nor will a border shutdown or stopping aid to Central America. This is a border crisis whether you want to admit it or not. Even Obama’s DHS secretary confirms this is a crisis. Both repub and dem legislators need to get off their asses to fix this problem. Obama tried to fix this type of problem in 2014 by setting up asylum processing in the originating countries but Trump stopped it.

https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1.........0i71j41j0i67j0i22i30j33i160.22aKOTtvx3Q

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/obama-dhs-secretary-border-is-in-crisis-by-any-measure/




At least these guys are trying.
https://www.cornyn.senate.gov/content/news/cornyn-cuellar-introduce-humane-act-address-border-crisis

Since you seem to be keeping up on things can you answer me this; it is my understanding that the current policy is to detain asylum seekers until their case is heard. Was that the policy previously under past presidents? If not what was their policy regarding asylum?

 

[UberNeuman]

So no thoughts and prayers for brown people?

Welcome to the thread of Scared Old White People.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

You do realize that the number of Central American families and men with children crossing the border in remote locations to gain asylum has dramatically increased during the past several months and is overwhelming border resources, right? Various officials have been raising the red flag on this issue for months. Trump’s wall is not going to fix this problem nor will a border shutdown or stopping aid to Central America. This is a border crisis whether you want to admit it or not. Even Obama’s DHS secretary confirms this is a crisis. Both repub and dem legislators need to get off their asses to fix this problem. Obama tried to fix this type of problem in 2014 by setting up asylum processing in the originating countries but Trump stopped it.

https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1.........0i71j41j0i67j0i22i30j33i160.22aKOTtvx3Q

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/obama-dhs-secretary-border-is-in-crisis-by-any-measure/




At least these guys are trying.
https://www.cornyn.senate.gov/content/news/cornyn-cuellar-introduce-humane-act-address-border-crisis

So what's your point? None died in over a decade. You going to tell me now that the last size months exceeded the total number for over a decade before it? 0 in over ten years. 3 in six months. The difference? This admin and their policies.

 

[allisolm]

Apparently he had a rare condition Pott's tumor. I don't know if it should have been diagnosed earlier or whether that would have saved him.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3615908/
https://www.caller.com/story/news/l...ed-south-texas-hospital-had-tumor/1096430001/

 

[HurleyBird]

Apparently he had a rare condition Pott's tumor. I don't know if it should have been diagnosed earlier or whether that would have saved him.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3615908/
https://www.caller.com/story/news/l...ed-south-texas-hospital-had-tumor/1096430001/

He was taken to a shelter on April 20 by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, and no health concerns were observed, according to a news release from Administration for Children and Families spokesperson Evelyn Stauffer.

"On the morning of April 21, the minor became noticeably ill including fever, chills and a headache," the release reads. "The shelter personnel brought the minor to a hospital emergency department that morning on April 21 where the minor was treated by the hospital and released later that day back to the shelter."

He was taken to another hospital via ambulance April 22, and was then taken to another hospital where he was in the intensive care unit for several days, the release read.

The teen died April 30 at Driscoll Children's Hospital in Corpus Christi, Nueces County Medical Examiner's Office officials said.

 

[allisolm]

I have no idea what point you are trying to make HurleyBird.

 

[HurleyBird]

Point is that it sounds as if authorities did everything by the book in this case.

 

[blackangst1]

We dont know what killed him. From the article, I dont see any wrongdoing by border enforcement. They transferred him twice to an ER and to a childrens hostital. We need more info.

 

[UglyCasanova]

you people are sick. the kid was fine then got sick, the kid got sent to ER HOSPITAL and then died. the government didnt cause the illness, the government took him to a hospital to try to help him. care was never denied.

Yeah but saying it that way doesn’t go with the narrative though.

 

[Luna1968]

When they start marching them in ovens I'm sure they might start caring.

Do these people (trump supporters) know that if this was 1930's Germany they'd be on the side of the nazis? Not because they support or advocate murdering millions of people but because their complicity would have allowed such acts to eventually happen. Trump has continuously lowered the bar and they've normalized it.

Oh boy, the nazi thing. Lol you know you have nothing to add when you drop the nazi card. Low intelligence you are.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Oh boy, the nazi thing. Lol you know you have nothing to add when you drop the nazi card. Low intelligence you are.

"Nazi" has been the go to attack and is the lazy way to try and argue. If you disagree with someone call them a Nazi and then check out all the little thumbs up likes you get on your post. Ignore the substance of what’s going on and throw out a lazy label to demonize them and pretend in your mind you said something worthwhile and won the arguement. Reality is nothing was said, no arguement won, just dancing around the conversation to avoid anything of substance.


Edit: and here comes the zzz's, clocks, x's, and thumbs down from those whole use "Nazi" as a crutch 😀

 

[feralkid]

No, they don't know it. They refuse to believe it. In fact, they routinely dismiss the notion that they are defending Nazis by simply saying that the legit Nazis that they have defending for 2 years now aren't really Nazis.

It's hilarious because it's unmistakably true. I wonder if, once all the dust clears, long after Orange toad is in the slammer, they will ever wake up and realize that which they have caused?

"I vas in Austria during zie Drumpf admistration."

 

[Lanyap]

So what's your point? None died in over a decade. You going to tell me now that the last size months exceeded the total number for over a decade before it? 0 in over ten years. 3 in six months. The difference? This admin and their policies.

The point is, decades+ years ago illegal immigrants from the south were mostly males from Mexico who were entering the US to find jobs to send money back to their families in Mexico. Remote CBP holding facilities were designed for this demographic. In the last 5 years the demographics dramatically changed to Central American males with young children and Central American families with young children requesting asylum (to be released within 20 days if children are involved) because the environment is toxic in CA. Even Obama knew this and tried to prevent this scenario. The young children are more susceptible to medical issues. That young Guatemalan girl died from rapid onset septic shock. The teen referenced in this thread appears to have had a tumor. What do you propose we do to stop the death of these young children? Even if they were released they would have died. Do we send all migrant children to a hospital to perform CTscans, MRIs , etc. to diagnose life threatening diseases/problems? What’s your reasonable solution to prevent young CA children from dying?

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/29/us/politics/trump-asylum.html

Fewer migrants try to cross the border now than in the early 2000s. But the demographics have shifted: Most are now families from Central America rather than single Mexicans who could be quickly deported. The sheer number of families has overwhelmed the system, and because of rules that prohibit holding children in detention for more than 20 days, some families are released into communities along the border.

More than 103,000 migrants crossed the southwestern border in March without authorization, an increase from the more than 76,000 who crossed in February. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, also known as ICE, is currently housing more than 50,000 migrants, one of the highest numbers on record, and about 5,000 more than the congressionally mandated limit of 45,274.

In 2016, the average daily population of immigrants in detention dipped to 34,376.

 

[Lanyap]

Since you seem to be keeping up on things can you answer me this; it is my understanding that the current policy is to detain asylum seekers until their case is heard. Was that the policy previously under past presidents? If not what was their policy regarding asylum?

Asylum seekers with children have to be released within 20 days. Adults without children can be held 180 days IIRC. Trump is trying to change that process because adults are bringing children to get the quick release. This WaPo article from October 2018 should answer your questions and provides more detail and stats about this problem that has gotten worse since then.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/national/border-asylum-claims/

Asylum claims are soaring as migrant families take an administrative path, buckling the immigration system.

 

[Jaskalas]

This is the third "child" in the last few months. I use quotes as this one was 16, the others were 7 and 8. Both those threads are below. There have been incidents of adults dying in custody over the years but not kids.

First story was of a girl with a severe infection who did not survive the trip in being RESCUED from the remote wilderness. In our "custody" is a hell of a stretch if a person dies before anyone can actually care for them. That's not neglect, that's 200 people roaming a desert they shouldn't have.

As for the general topic, it's like this. US has the worst rate of child mortality among 20 rich nations

Among children ages 1 to 19, the mortality rate in the U.S. was 3.1 per 10,000​

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Looks like 3 children dying out of every 10,000 is expected.

 

[cytg111]

Oh boy, the nazi thing. Lol you know you have nothing to add when you drop the nazi card. Low intelligence you are.

Fuck you are dumb if you dont recognize the radicalization happening all over right now. It is in fucking motion retard. And here is the thing, if this thing reaches critical mass your "im sorry" is going to mean dick.
Cant teach brains, cant cure stupid and the rest of us are shit out of luck. Jesus Christ.

 

[blackangst1]

Since you seem to be keeping up on things can you answer me this; it is my understanding that the current policy is to detain asylum seekers until their case is heard. Was that the policy previously under past presidents? If not what was their policy regarding asylum?

Every president recently changed their policy midtream. Obama for example decided it was time to round up illegals and deport them.

Under Bush, he also introduced legislation to close "catch and release" loopholes, and in doing so immediately returned Mexican nationals illegally entering, but detained non-Mexican nationals.

Clinton was staunchly against illegal immigration, and passed the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996

We've had the so called "catch and release" thing for 20-25 years, but every president has operated differently.

 

[Luna1968]

Fuck you are dumb if you dont recognize the radicalization happening all over right now. It is in fucking motion retard. And here is the thing, if this thing reaches critical mass your "im sorry" is going to mean dick.
Cant teach brains, cant cure stupid and the rest of us are shit out of luck. Jesus Christ.

wow, you have anger issues. anything else you want to call me while in your rage?

 

[cytg111]

wow, you have anger issues. anything else you want to call me while in your rage?

You are right, it gets the better of me sometimes.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

And then there were four...

https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/16/us/guatemala-toddler-death-us-custody/index.html

A 2 1/2-year-old Guatemalan boy apprehended on the US-Mexico border died Tuesday night in El Paso, Texas, the Washington Post reported.

The child had been in the hospital in US custody for several weeks after crossing into the US with his mother, the Post reported, citing Guatemala Consul Tekandi Paniagua and another source.

CNN has reached out to the Department of Homeland Security and the Guatemalan consulate in Del Rio, Texas, but hasn't yet received a response.

The boy would be the fourth Guatemalan child since December to die after a border apprehension.

 

[K1052]

You do realize that the number of Central American families and men with children crossing the border in remote locations to gain asylum has dramatically increased during the past several months and is overwhelming border resources, right? Various officials have been raising the red flag on this issue for months. Trump’s wall is not going to fix this problem nor will a border shutdown or stopping aid to Central America. This is a border crisis whether you want to admit it or not. Even Obama’s DHS secretary confirms this is a crisis. Both repub and dem legislators need to get off their asses to fix this problem. Obama tried to fix this type of problem in 2014 by setting up asylum processing in the originating countries but Trump stopped it.

Trump's rhetoric and epic mismanagement is in no small part responsible for fueling the surge. You think they don't hear what he's saying down there? That he's going to end asylum and cut aid to their countries. The most natural consequence is a surge of people trying to make it here before those things happen.

There is now a crisis and he's played a key role in bringing it about. Every cruel and ham handed attempt to "fix" things has backfired spectacularly. These people won't put together a workable set of policies that would actually address the problem because that's not that point.

 

[ivwshane]

Every president recently changed their policy midtream. Obama for example decided it was time to round up illegals and deport them.

Under Bush, he also introduced legislation to close "catch and release" loopholes, and in doing so immediately returned Mexican nationals illegally entering, but detained non-Mexican nationals.

Clinton was staunchly against illegal immigration, and passed the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996

We've had the so called "catch and release" thing for 20-25 years, but every president has operated differently.

Ignore. Reading fail in my part.

 

[brandonbull]

As long as the Progressheviks continue to encourage people to travel long distances with small and sick children, we are going to get these sad and avoidable outcomes. When are you liberals going to understand the sick and pathetic reasons behind this? I guess the death of children is the price that Liberals are willing to pay so they can advance their scumbag ideology.

 

[ivwshane]

You do realize that asylum and caravans of people have increased under trump right? So who is encouraging who? Is you cult leader so weak that he can't even control his own country? Or is he so stupid that Democrats can run round his policies and encourage people to immigrate to this country?

I really hope you are an old senile man or a really young kid because your level of stop stupidity would be baffling if you weren't.

 

[Lanyap]

And then there were four...

https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/16/us/guatemala-toddler-death-us-custody/index.html

CNN article is purposely misleading. Details from the referenced WaPo article.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/immi...989555e7766_story.html?utm_term=.996e45173b58

Paniagua said the boy, who had spent three days in federal custody, appeared to have developed a form of pneumonia, but the death remains under investigation. The El Paso medical examiner’s office and the hospital declined to comment.

It is unclear when the boy fell ill. A Customs and Border Protection official familiar with the case, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said the CBP apprehended the boy and his mother on April 3 near the Paso del Norte International Bridge.

On April 6, the official said, his mother alerted agents that he was sick. An ambulance took him to a hospital in Horizon City that day, and officials transferred him the next day to Providence Children’s Hospital in El Paso.

On April 8, federal officials formally released the family from Border Protection custody with a “notice to appear” in immigration court.

So where does the responsibility fall? We, the US, the CBP, the hospital, Trump, the parents, Guatemala? He was in the hospital for several weeks before he died. What could we have done to prevent this baby’s death?