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Another migrant child dies in US Custody

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Trump's rhetoric and epic mismanagement is in no small part responsible for fueling the surge. You think they don't hear what he's saying down there? That he's going to end asylum and cut aid to their countries. The most natural consequence is a surge of people trying to make it here before those things happen.

There is now a crisis and he's played a key role in bringing it about. Every cruel and ham handed attempt to "fix" things has backfired spectacularly. These people won't put together a workable set of policies that would actually address the problem because that's not that point.



There is no doubt Trump’s threats played a role in this problem. How much, I don’t know. Has anyone in our government come up with any possible solution to this problem? The only thing close was Obama’s plan to move the asylum request process back to the originating countries and I’m not sure that would have worked.
 
You do realize that asylum and caravans of people have increased under trump right? So who is encouraging who? Is you cult leader so weak that he can't even control his own country? Or is he so stupid that Democrats can run round his policies and encourage people to immigrate to this country?

I really hope you are an old senile man or a really young kid because your level of stop stupidity would be baffling if you weren't.
I'm kinda surprised that BB is smart enough to post. it's like he wants to be like trump but only dumber, if that is possible.

I got tired of his stupidity and put him on ignore long ago.
 
There is no doubt Trump’s threats played a role in this problem. How much, I don’t know. Has anyone in our government come up with any possible solution to this problem? The only thing close was Obama’s plan to move the asylum request process back to the originating countries and I’m not sure that would have worked.

Last I heard they bemoan the inability to shoot people. So no, I don't have much hope this admin would figure something out that doesn't make the situation worse or isn't actively harmful to these people.

Obama's plan to move asylum requests back to the country of origin was probably workable at the lower levels of family and minor migration that we saw during his presidency. The explosion in migration and non-constructive approach the administration has taken with those countries likely makes that impossible.

Fundamentally the only way to really address the problem is to improve the situations in their home countries.
 
Can't we use the term "migrant shelters" used when Obama initially built these cages?

People used to make fun of me for calling them death camps. It was kinda meant tongue in cheek at the time, but I'm starting to think the name is starting to be more and more fitting. It's only the beginning. There are 5 more years of this regime left.
 
People used to make fun of me for calling them death camps. It was kinda meant tongue in cheek at the time, but I'm starting to think the name is starting to be more and more fitting. It's only the beginning. There are 5 more years of this regime left.

With how well our country is doing now with Trump in charge I can't blame the sudden surge of people trying to get in
 
Death count can now be set to 5.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/16-year-old-migrant-boy-dies-u-s-custody-5th-n1007751

Remind me again how keeping them as hostage is more humane then letting families go back home? It's one thing to deny them entry - they were trying to cross illegally after all, but it's another thing to keep them hostage in concentration camps.



How would the logistics work for your suggestion of letting these folks go back home? Should we just dump them at the border and let them walk back home? Should we immediately put them on a plane and send them back home? These folks from Central America are primarily family units or minors and don’t have any contingency plans. Family units from CA can be held no more than 20 days. Unaccompanied minors like this teen have to go through a longer process to find family members in the US. Latest rumor is that CBP/ICE wants to transport thousands of these folks around the country and release them after being initially processed for asylum. We do have a crisis at the border.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/immi...828f5389013_story.html?utm_term=.8e323dbfb207
The number of border-crossers taken into U.S. custody topped 100,000 for the second consecutive month in April, U.S. border officials said Wednesday, deepening the crisis that has derailed President Trump’s immigration agenda and has defied his myriad attempts to fix it.

U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) detained 109,144 migrants along the boundary with Mexico last month, a 6 percent increase from March, as monthly arrests reached their highest point since 2007. Unauthorized border crossings have more than doubled in the past year, and they are on pace to exceed 1 million on an annual basis, as Guatemalan and Honduran families continue streaming north in record numbers with the expectation they will be quickly processed and released from custody.

“Our apprehension numbers are off the charts,” Carla Provost, chief of the Border Patrol, said in testimony to senators in Washington on Wednesday afternoon. “We cannot address this crisis by shifting more resources. It’s like holding a bucket under a faucet. It doesn’t matter how many buckets we have if we can’t turn off the flow.”

“My greatest concern is that we will no longer be able to deliver consequences and we will lose control of the border,” Provost said.
 
This might help explain why so many are suddenly dying.

Bunch of sadistic fucks.

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry...ody-for-seven-days_n_5d02ae24e4b0304a120c411b



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With 100's of thousands of illegals or for that matter any group of people, some are going to die regardless. Add onto that the harsh conditions they exposed themselves to in the prior weeks will only make it worse.

It appears that they did all they could with two trips to to the emergency room... and the intensive care unit.

the local chud hand waves away children dying in concentration camps. Good human we have here.
 
This might help explain why so many are suddenly dying.

Bunch of sadistic fucks.

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry...ody-for-seven-days_n_5d02ae24e4b0304a120c411b



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Here's a big part of the problem. It's in your link.

The conditions at Border Patrols facilities have drastically deteriorated in recent months since an influx of immigrants, including a record number of families and unaccompanied children, have been crossing the border. Five children have died in Border Patrol custody since December.

Border Patrol facilities were designed to house single men, who previously made up the majority of immigrants crossing the border, and they are not equipped to handle the influx of families. A processing center in El Paso, Texas, has crammed up to 900 migrants in a cell supposed to hold 125 people, and some of the migrants had to stand on toilets to find breathing room, according to a recent report by DHS’ inspector general. Children in Border Patrol stations have reported being physically abused and having to drink toilet water to stay hydrated.

Government officials say they don’t have the resources to deal with the specific needs of families in Border Patrol facilities. But advocates say the Trump administration has continually put children’s health in jeopardy, from family separation to holding children for up to nine months in temporary facilities, and that there is no excuse for this treatment.

Why is this eight month pregnant teen even traveling?
The child was born in Mexico just after her teenage mother left Guatemala for the U.S. when she was eight months pregnant.



Congress needs to get off their sorry asses and do something about this problem. They hear about it every week and don't do anything when they could. Trump is not going to do anything. This WaPo OpEd nails it.
https://www.postguam.com/forum/us-h...cial&utm_source=email&utm_campaign=user-share
Opinion
US has chance to solve migration influx
The Washington Post
Jun 10, 2019 Updated Jun 12, 2019

Mexico has defused President Donald Trump's latest fit of pique with minimal concessions, which is appropriate. Mexico did not cause the surge of immigrants from Central America to the United States, and it is not well positioned to solve the problem. Better tools are at hand for the U.S. president and Congress, if they would only decide to wield them.

Trump had threatened to impose tariffs on imports from Mexico if it did not take drastic steps to cut the flow. In an agreement announced late Friday, he suspended the threat. Mexico agreed to deploy troops from its National Guard on its southern border and to allow more asylum-seekers to live in Mexico while they await U.S. adjudication of their claims. About 9,000 are there now, and the program could be expanded if the migrants are able to live safely and work.

Mexico did not commit to any specific reduction of migrants, and it did not accept the top U.S. demand: that Mexico force Central Americans to apply for asylum in Mexico instead of the United States. The two countries also agreed to help build "a more prosperous and secure Central America to address the underlying causes of migration."

That last provision, which got little attention, could be the most significant. Few people want to leave their homes. Central Americans are coming north because poverty and crime have made life unbearable. In another fit of pique two months ago, Trump took the wildly counterproductive step of cutting off aid to El Salvador, Honduras and Guatemala. A recommitment to help those countries would be the single most useful measure the administration could take.

There are steps the United States could take at home also. A concatenation of court rulings, congressional inaction and administration failures has created a perverse incentive for migrants to cross the border with children. They claim asylum; a swamped court system postpones their case for years; the government does not have the facilities or the legal right to hold them; so they are "paroled" into the United States for an extended period.

Most of the asylum claims eventually are denied. If the system could rule quickly, word would get out and fewer families would come. Congress should approve funding to hire more judges and to hold families in decent conditions for short periods.

The more durable fix would be to allow for the legal flow of immigrants that the economy needs, including legal status for "dreamers" – immigrants generally brought here as small children who are Americans in all but documentation. Such reform would then impose real penalties on employers who hire undocumented workers. Trump could achieve such a reform if he ceased inflaming the issue for electoral advantage, vilifying immigrants as "criminals" and "invaders."

Given how unlikely that is, Congress should consider playing a constructive role. In a rare display of independent judgment this week, GOP senators strengthened Mexico's negotiating stance, and thus helped defuse the kerfuffle, by coming out strongly against Trump's proposed tariffs. They could build on the moment by working with Democrats to strengthen the border regime while bringing dreamers out of the shadows.
 
the local chud hand waves away children dying in concentration camps. Good human we have here.


The largest share of the blame lies with the Parents and those participating in child trafficking trade.

There are no "concentration camps" in the US.
 
The largest share of the blame lies with the Parents and those participating in child trafficking trade.

There are no "concentration camps" in the US.

the chud doubles down and is factually proven wrong. still doesnt care. Peak human we have here.
 
No strawman that image is from the Obama time frame in 2014. That was when they were getting over run. It is ten time worse now.

Squirm more.
 
No but there are "summer camps"

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Care to take your kids there?



Nobody has come up with a reasonable solution for better accommodations for these folks especially since so many family units are coming across the border lately. You realize that many of these folks have relatives and friends already in the US and they know that they will be staying in these facilities before they are released. They are counting on the children with them to get them released within 20 days. It's been reported that many of these folks are coming from the poorer regions of CA. These temporary holding facilities, while not the best, may very well be better than where they came from where they lived in shacks with no running water or sewerage processing and being threatened by gangs. Again, lawmakers need to get off theirs asses and do something to improve the temporary accommodations.

BTW, pcgeek11 is correct. Your pic came from 2014 under Obama so we have apparently not improved much of anything since then.

AP FACT CHECK: Fallacies on both sides in immigration debate
THE FACTS: The photos, taken by The Associated Press, were from 2014, during the Obama administration, but were presented by liberal activists as if they showed the effects of Trump’s immigration policy now. Villaraigosa, Favreau and some others deleted their tweets when the mistake was pointed out.
They had linked to a June 2014 online story by The Arizona Republic titled “First peek: Immigrant children flood detention center.” The story featured photos taken by AP’s Ross D. Franklin at a center run by the Customs and Border Protection Agency in Nogales, Arizona. One photo shows two unidentified female detainees sleeping in a holding cell. The caption refers to U.S. efforts to process 47,000 unaccompanied children at the Nogales center and another one in Brownsville, Texas.


HERE ARE THE PHOTOS OF OBAMA’S ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT DETENTION FACILITIES THE MEDIA WON’T SHOW YOU
Photos of border detention facilities from the Obama-era, taken during 2014, look nearly identical to the ones taken during the Trump era.

You never see them, however. Here they are, taken in 2014 during a media tour of Obama-era detention facilities in Brownsville, Texas, and Nogales, Arizona.
 
Nobody has come up with a reasonable solution for better accommodations for these folks especially since so many family units are coming across the border lately. You realize that many of these folks have relatives and friends already in the US and they know that they will be staying in these facilities before they are released. They are counting on the children with them to get them released within 20 days. It's been reported that many of these folks are coming from the poorer regions of CA. These temporary holding facilities, while not the best, may very well be better than where they came from where they lived in shacks with no running water or sewerage processing and being threatened by gangs. Again, lawmakers need to get off theirs asses and do something to improve the temporary accommodations.

BTW, pcgeek11 is correct. Your pic came from 2014 under Obama so we have apparently not improved much of anything since then.

AP FACT CHECK: Fallacies on both sides in immigration debate



HERE ARE THE PHOTOS OF OBAMA’S ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT DETENTION FACILITIES THE MEDIA WON’T SHOW YOU

Apparently we have improved by calling them "summer camps" from the appropriately named detention facility.
 
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No strawman that image is from the Obama time frame in 2014. That was when they were getting over run. It is ten time worse now.

Squirm more.

It's still way lower than 2008 pre-recession levels.

And they are christian after all.. How bad could they be?

I'm perfectly sure with your very fine people values you can make them into very fine people.
 
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