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Another migrant caravan heading for the USA ...

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zinfamous said:
Actually, many of them live in small farming communities where some 60-70% of their population is made up of illegal immigrants that work on their fields. ...these people aren't vocally against illegal immigrants (their entire livelihood depends on illegal immigrants), but they predictably vote republican. It's hilarious, in a watch-these-idiots-destroy-themselves kind of way.

The loudest anti-immigrant republicans have likely never been on a farm, or know anything about farming, yet proudly support these people as some sort of mythical heroes fashioned from mud and bootstraps.
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And yet they don't go after the farmers who hire the illegal immigrants they are deathly afraid of because farmers vote republican.
 
Zaap said:
Because you're an idiot, flussh:

The original "challenge" :



This isn't even difficult. Not in the LEAST.





So moron vic thinks that doing without food produced using illegal labor is ALL the food, and that's what I had to 'claim' to meet the silly 'challenge'. A few others glommed on to this seriously dumb notion.

He's a flaming idiot, as proven nearly every time he leaps into shit, and you're illiterate and/or a liar.
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Dude, you need a 12 step program.

I would greatly prefer that none of the food I eat was grown using illegal labor. Period.
 
Jhhnn said:
Quote the party who said 100%. Nobody did. The Ag sector is, however, heavily dependent on illegal labor-

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/illegal-immigrants-us-economy-farm-workers-taxes/

That's only ~1.5M out of a total population of ~11M, anyway. 2/3 of them have been here more than 10 years. I'm all about giving those people the right to live & work in this country. I figure they paid their dues.
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So many things in your own article that you don't even have the capacity to notice, let alone understand.

Overall, the agricultural industry in the United States has been on the decline since 1950. Back then, farming was a family business that employed more than 10 million workers, 77 percent of whom were classified as "family." As of 2000 – the latest such data available – only 3 million work on farms, and as noted earlier, an estimated half are undocumented.
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So in other words, we used to feed ourselves. Communities were viable, millions more people were employed. Rather than a farmer's family moving away and piling into the competition for jobs in the cities, people made a living staying put. Amazingly, people ATE food and last I checked, the nation didn't stave and the economy didn't collapse based on Americans farming for themselves, not Big Agra and their cabal of illegal bullshit.

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So the other 47% of hired farmers are Americans. OBVIOUSLY the take-away from this is that Construction, Production, Services, Transportation and hell, the overall workforce just isn't helping the economy survive the way Big Ag is by being so heavily skewed to illegal labor. How can we possibly survive until we allow cheating industries to "Jobs Americans Won't do!" all these other sectors as well?

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So basically MOST of this bullshit has taken place since the '87 Amnesty. CLEARLY before this, Americans were unable to feed themselves. There must have been no such thing as a working economy.

What we need to do OF COURSE -according to your dumb ilk- is even more Amnesty so we can get these numbers off the charts, not only in the named industries, but ALL industries. Who the hell needs laws governing labor?

A dipshit like yourself of the future will someday be posting charts showing US Construction, Production, etc as 55% illegal, will insist there's no other way, will wring his stupid hands that the fat cats have a 'labor shortage' and can't find enough people willing to toil for long hours for shit wages , and will be -like a lot of your ilk- 100% ignorant of there ever being a time when this wasn't the case, that it ISN'T actually good for the economy, it's not any kind of viable norm, and it's nothing that people in a first world country should allow assholes to do to their industries.
 
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Vic said:
Dude, you need a 12 step program.

I would greatly prefer that none of the food I eat was grown using illegal labor. Period.
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Own up. You lied about what I said, you didn't even understand the stupid 'challenge' and you did say "ALL food" I quoted it. Stop being a liar on top of being a moron.
 
Zaap said:
Own up. You lied about what I said, you did say "ALL food" I quoted it. Stop being a liar on top of being a moron.
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You know what a moron really is? It's that guy who thinks every complex problem has a simple obvious solution and that everyone else is a moron because no one's ever tried that before.
 
Zaap said:
Preachy bullshit.
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I should have known better to even think you would be capable of a conversation.
If I wanted to be preached at I would go to church on Sunday, I don’t need your hyperbole and long winded bullshit.
You’re not interested in fixing the problem, just telling people how they’re wrong.
I won’t bother listening to it anymore.
 
Zaap said:
So many things in your own article that you don't even have the capacity to notice, let alone understand.


So in other words, we used to feed ourselves. Communities were viable, millions more people were employed. Rather than a farmer's family moving away and piling into the competition for jobs in the cities, people made a living staying put. Amazingly, people ATE food and last I checked, the nation didn't stave and the economy didn't collapse based on Americans farming for themselves, not Big Agra and their cabal of illegal bullshit.

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So the other 47% of hired farmers are Americans. OBVIOUSLY the take-away from this is that Construction, Production, Services, Transportation and hell, the overall workforce just isn't helping the economy survive the way Big Ag is by being so heavily skewed to illegal labor. How can we possibly survive until we allow cheating industries to "Jobs Americans Won't do!" all these other sectors as well?

screen-shot-2018-06-25-at-4-03-46-pm.png


So basically MOST of this bullshit has taken place since the '87 Amnesty. CLEARLY before this, Americans were unable to feed themselves. There must have been no such thing as a working economy.

What we need to do OF COURSE -according to your dumb ilk- is even more Amnesty so we can get these numbers off the charts, not only in the named industries, but ALL industries. Who the hell needs laws governing labor?

A dipshit like yourself of the future will someday be posting charts showing US Construction, Production, etc as 55% illegal, will insist there's no other way, will wring his stupid hands that the fat cats have a 'labor shortage' and can't find enough people willing to toil for long hours for shit wages , and will be -like a lot of your ilk- 100% ignorant of there ever being a time when this wasn't the case, that it ISN'T actually good for the economy, it's not any kind of viable norm, and it's nothing that people in a first world country should allow assholes to do to their industries.
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You really don't get it. Not in the slightest. The reason farm employment fell is that it's become heavily automated. The machinery is extremely efficient, unlike in 1950. GMO crops reduce the need for labor further. We feed twice as many people as in 1950 with 1/3 the labor. The actual number of illegals working in agriculture today may be less than it was back then. Dunno about where you live, but migrant Mexican farm workers have been part of agriculture around here since before I was born.

What really happened is that farmers hired anybody who would show up & work at a price they could afford to pay. It's a lifestyle upgrade for people from rural Mexico & Central America. Otherwise they wouldn't be here. It would be even better if they were legal & I'll gladly pay whatever slight increase in food prices I might pay for it to be that way.

You just spout the same nativist shit that people spouted about the Irish, the Italians, the Poles & all the other immigrant groups that have contributed to our greatness.
 
Another interesting article on what these people may be facing IF they reach the US border ... based upon what happened to those who tried to enter the country earlier this year. This is based upon the April, 2018 caravan:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/migrant-caravan-what-happens-if-it-reaches-the-us-border/


The bottom line is noted here:

"How the U.S. government would likely respond

For the best idea of what the U.S. government would do, consider what happened when a caravan of about 1,500 Central American migrants reached the U.S.-Mexico border in April 2018.

Of those 1,500, only about 250 legally remain in the U.S. pending an immigration hearing, according to Pueblos sin Fronteras, a humanitarian aid organization for migrants. Only three have been granted asylum. Some of the other migrants who arrived were kept in detention or deported."


So after a very long road march only 1 out of 6 of those who entered the US back in April are actually still here. Only three (3) out of 1,500 have actually been granted asylum. It seems like many who contributed to this thread have shared their "conspiracy" theories ... i.e. that the republicans, democrats or (even) the independents started this to drum up electoral support for the mid-terms. Regardless, me hopes that those who organized the caravan (Pueblos sin Fronteras) told those making the journey that their chances are extremely low of actually being granted asylum.
 
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dainthomas said:
Are they going to watch the refugees check in at ports of entry to declare asylum just like the last "invasion". Maybe they can hand out water bottles and granola bars or something.
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Hopefully they're going to catapult them back across the border every time they attempt to cross it. Sorry, but illegally going through countries to country shop and using "asylum" as an excuse won't work.
 
SlowSpyder said:
Hopefully they're going to catapult them back across the border every time they attempt to cross it. Sorry, but illegally going through countries to country shop and using "asylum" as an excuse won't work.
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93% of the people from the last "invasion" who requested asylum were admitted to the country pending an asylum hearing.

Talking about catapulting women and children over the border probably sounded better in your head than it does when you type it out.
 
SlowSpyder said:
Hopefully they're going to catapult them back across the border every time they attempt to cross it. Sorry, but illegally going through countries to country shop and using "asylum" as an excuse won't work.
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Why aren't you supporting what is legal?
 
dainthomas said:
93% of the people from the last "invasion" who requested asylum were admitted to the country pending an asylum hearing.
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Where did you get your data (93%) from? While actually getting an opportunity to stay and get a hearing is vitally important to receive asylum ... very few actually got to stay and the vast majority were deported.
 
dud said:
Where did you get your data (93%) from? While actually getting an opportunity to stay and get a hearing is vitally important to receive asylum ... very few actually got to stay and the vast majority were deported.
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I heard it on the fake news Samantha Bee show when she did a segment on the massive invasion force of destitute women and children fleeing systemic violence. I'll have to see if I can find where they got their number.

The main point being they overwhelmingly checked in at ports of entry like you're supposed to. They didn't storm the wall then spread out to assault good (white) American women and recruit kids into MS-13.
 
UglyCasanova said:
It’s an invasionary Force marching toward our border. Very appropriate use of the military, much more so than launching wars overseas.
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Yeh, they'll be our new overlords like the Mongol invasion of China. They'll be taking all the white wimmen, too.
 
Zaap said:
So many things in your own article that you don't even have the capacity to notice, let alone understand.


So in other words, we used to feed ourselves. Communities were viable, millions more people were employed. Rather than a farmer's family moving away and piling into the competition for jobs in the cities, people made a living staying put. Amazingly, people ATE food and last I checked, the nation didn't stave and the economy didn't collapse based on Americans farming for themselves, not Big Agra and their cabal of illegal bullshit.

screen-shot-2018-06-25-at-4-09-55-pm.png


So the other 47% of hired farmers are Americans. OBVIOUSLY the take-away from this is that Construction, Production, Services, Transportation and hell, the overall workforce just isn't helping the economy survive the way Big Ag is by being so heavily skewed to illegal labor. How can we possibly survive until we allow cheating industries to "Jobs Americans Won't do!" all these other sectors as well?

screen-shot-2018-06-25-at-4-03-46-pm.png


So basically MOST of this bullshit has taken place since the '87 Amnesty. CLEARLY before this, Americans were unable to feed themselves. There must have been no such thing as a working economy.

What we need to do OF COURSE -according to your dumb ilk- is even more Amnesty so we can get these numbers off the charts, not only in the named industries, but ALL industries. Who the hell needs laws governing labor?

A dipshit like yourself of the future will someday be posting charts showing US Construction, Production, etc as 55% illegal, will insist there's no other way, will wring his stupid hands that the fat cats have a 'labor shortage' and can't find enough people willing to toil for long hours for shit wages , and will be -like a lot of your ilk- 100% ignorant of there ever being a time when this wasn't the case, that it ISN'T actually good for the economy, it's not any kind of viable norm, and it's nothing that people in a first world country should allow assholes to do to their industries.
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Someone completely missed the boat. Farm productivity is what freed up all those people.
 
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