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Another migrant caravan heading for the USA ...

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hal2kilo said:
Someone completely missed the boat. Farm productivity is what freed up all those people.
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'Freed' people to lose thier farms to big cheating businesses using an illegal labor racket, and have to move and compete with you for the shrinking pool of other jobs. Yeah right. Someone sure sold you a line.

And you'll be another one spouting the same shit when the numbers rise in those other sectors as well. "Jobs Americans won't do!"

Meanwhile, it doesn't occur to your weak mind if the need for labor has decreased, then there's no need for illegal labor either. That's actually even more a reason why we should cut the dependence on it and return to a smaller US workers and LEGAL migrant-only farming system.

But of course you'll keep wringing your hands over 'labor shortages' and somehow we need more and more and more illegal labor allowed entry. Why is that again? So even more people can be 'freed' from their occupations?

I've said it before... why not YOUR occupation then?

Wait... let me guess.

You're special.
 
Zaap said:
'Freed' people to lose thier farms to big cheating businesses using an illegal labor racket, and have to move and compete with you for the shrinking pool of other jobs. Yeah right. Someone sure sold you a line.

And you'll be another one spouting the same shit when the numbers rise in those other sectors as well. "Jobs Americans won't do!"

Meanwhile, it doesn't occur to your weak mind if the need for labor has decreased, then there's no need for illegal labor either. That's actually even more a reason why we should cut the dependence on it and return to a smaller US workers and LEGAL migrant-only farming system.

But of course you'll keep wringing your hands over 'labor shortages' and somehow we need more and more and more illegal labor allowed entry. Why is that again? So even more people can be 'freed' from their occupations?

I've said it before... why not YOUR occupation then?

Wait... let me guess.

You're special.
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I can't read for all the straw flying in my face.
 
Zaap said:
'Freed' people to lose thier farms to big cheating businesses using an illegal labor racket, and have to move and compete with you for the shrinking pool of other jobs. Yeah right. Someone sure sold you a line.

And you'll be another one spouting the same shit when the numbers rise in those other sectors as well. "Jobs Americans won't do!"

Meanwhile, it doesn't occur to your weak mind if the need for labor has decreased, then there's no need for illegal labor either. That's actually even more a reason why we should cut the dependence on it and return to a smaller US workers and LEGAL migrant-only farming system.

But of course you'll keep wringing your hands over 'labor shortages' and somehow we need more and more and more illegal labor allowed entry. Why is that again? So even more people can be 'freed' from their occupations?

I've said it before... why not YOUR occupation then?

Wait... let me guess.

You're special.
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Gawd. What did in family farms was Capitalism scaling up the whole thing. Big/Corporate farms have enormous advantages in the marketplace. Your idealized farmer simply can't compete with or without illegal labor. Those who had the ability to scale up survived & the rest didn't. It's still happening today.

Your views, as always, simply stand in defiance of reality.
 
You can't read or use your brain. You've swallowed a lie, and when confronted with FACTS about it, you can't offer up *ANYTHING*.

FACT: In 1950, 10 million people for hire in farming were US citizens. Today, 3 million US citizens make up nearly half the farming indy, so that's roughly 6 million people able to supply the farming needs of the nation today.

The need for labor DECREASED, not increased- there was never any pressing need for illegal labor. You and your ilk simply bought a pack of lies about this- spread by the perpetrators- and you continue to parrot those lies blindly.

These clearly aren't jobs Americans won't or can't do (a notion for COMPLETE idiots like yourself to begin with) this is simply a sector of the economy that some fatcats decided to cheat the home grown US farmer out of.

As that chart showed, this has mostly been going on only in the past 25 years or so. Also, the numbers are starting to edge up in other sectors.

Exactly as I said, someday when those numbers are much higher as well, you'll be spouting the line of the cheating companies responsible for it.
 
Jhhnn said:
Your idealized farmer simply can't compete with or without illegal labor..
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Thats complete HORESHIT, your brain is just damaged.

When the farming industry was vastly more labor intensive: LET THIS SINK IN BECAUSE YOU'RE SERIOUSLY STUPID: We didn't resort to using mostly illegal labor!

The demand for labor WENT DOWN, not up.

There was NO NEED what-so-ever to make the industry rely on illegal labor, when it didn't before.

The only reason a first world person won't and can't compete with illegal labor, is because first world people don't accept third world working conditions and wages. But then, yours is a sub third world mindset.
 
Zaap said:
You can't read or use your brain. You've swallowed a lie, and when confronted with FACTS about it, you can't offer up *ANYTHING*.

FACT: In 1950, 10 million people for hire in farming were US citizens. Today, 3 million US citizens make up nearly half the farming indy, so that's roughly 6 million people able to supply the farming needs of the nation today.

The need for labor DECREASED, not increased- there was never any pressing need for illegal labor. You and your ilk simply bought a pack of lies about this- spread by the perpetrators- and you continue to parrot those lies blindly.

These clearly aren't jobs Americans won't or can't do (a notion for COMPLETE idiots like yourself to begin with) this is simply a sector of the economy that some fatcats decided to cheat the home grown US farmer out of.

As that chart showed, this has mostly been going on only in the past 25 years or so. Also, the numbers are starting to edge up in other sectors.

Exactly as I said, someday when those numbers are much higher as well, you'll be spouting the line of the cheating companies responsible for it.
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Incorrect. 3M farm workers, half of them illegal, feed twice as many people as 10M farm workers did in 1950. It's right there in an article you quoted.
 
Oh gee I'm sorry- so the labor demand DECREASED EVEN MORE than I said.

That totally means that we needed to flood the country with illegal labor.


IS your brain able to comprehend simple logic? You were FED A PACK OF LIES. From a pool of 10 million Americans, easily we could have retained enough to meet our farming needs.

Anyway flussh, I KNOW your motivations in this are nothing to do with labor- so you don't care about being so obviously wrong about the fake "need" for illegal labor in a vastly SHRINKING labor pool. You simply want to change the makeup of the nation, and if entire business sectors have to be gutted by greedy bastards, you're perfectly fine with that.
 
Zaap said:
IS your brain able to comprehend simple logic? You were FED A PACK OF LIES. From a pool of 10 million Americans, easily we could have retained enough to meet our farming needs.

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Yeh, except farmers didn't do that, did they? The effects of better technology & farmers' kids moving to the city quite voluntarily balanced out until they didn't.

Of course the demand for labor has been falling. It's the result of progress. Too bad that the ownership & rewards of that are concentrated in the hands of the few, huh?
 
Labor costs in labor intensive farming industries can be as high as 40%. Hope you’re willing to either pay a shitload more for your food or watch its production go overseas.
 
JSt0rm said:
its not really legit. Technology removes jobs. Thats the driving factor of most tech.
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And the people who own the tech keep the money. The people who lose their jobs get... freedom, of course. Otherwise, it's bumpkus. It's the story of the Rust Belt. It's Job Creator activity.
 
Jhhnn said:
And the people who own the tech keep the money. The people who lose their jobs get... freedom, of course. Otherwise, it's bumpkus. It's the story of the Rust Belt. It's Job Creator activity.
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thats why we need a basic income for people unable to work.
 
fskimospy said:
Labor costs in labor intensive farming industries can be as high as 40%. Hope you’re willing to either pay a shitload more for your food or watch its production go overseas.
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This has been gone over. The cost is indeed gargantuan on the whole. But then... so is the population of the country.

It works out to roughly about $16 per person annually to use only US workers and legal migrant labor.

Sure, that adds up to a huge amount of money, in total. But per person? Not at all.
 
Zaap said:
This has been gone over. The cost is indeed gargantuan on the whole. But then... so is the population of the country.

It works out to roughly about $16 per person annually to use only US workers and legal migrant labor.

Sure, that adds up to a huge amount of money, in total. But per person? Not at all.
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damn never thought I would see zaap embrace communism.
 
Jhhnn said:
With some luck, your karma will eventually put you in that category.
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why? If people cant get work because its all automated away im saying to give them a basic income so they can live. I think you misunderstand my position.
 
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