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Stuxnet

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lupi said:
judging from the amount of schmucks around here that live in hoas, i'd say so.
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Funny you say this, yet you haven't bothered to counter a single argument that's been made in defense of a reasonable HOA's. We can all admit there are some fascist ones out there, but by and large, a good HOA will only help your home's value. Will you still be allowed to put up a blue and pink fence? No (thankfully). So yes, HOA's are "limiting," but that limiting will preserve your home's value and make it difficult for your neighbors to be a destructive force in your neighborhood.

But at the end of the day, as I said earlier, if you're the self-entitled asshole type, don't move into a neighborhood with an HOA. An HOA won't bother you if you're capable of basic human cooperation. If you're not, they'll probably piss you off.

As an aside, I sounded just like you until I moved into my second neighborhood - the one without the HOA. I changed my tune right quick, son.
 
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Stuxnet said:
Funny you say this, yet you haven't bothered to counter a single argument that's been made in defense of a reasonable HOA's. We can all admit there are some fascist ones out there, but by and large, a good HOA will only help your home's value. Will you still be allowed to put up a blue and pink fence? No (thankfully). So yes, HOA's are "limiting," but that limiting will preserve your home's value and make it difficult for your neighbors to be a destructive force in your neighborhood.

But at the end of the day, as I said earlier, if you're the self-entitled asshole type, don't move into a neighborhood with an HOA. An HOA won't bother you if you're capable of basic human cooperation. If you're not, they'll probably piss you off.

As an aside, I sounded just like you until I moved into my second neighborhood - the one without the HOA. I changed my tune right quick, son.
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The bolded part is absolutely brilliant regarding about 99% of HOAs (Some HOA Boards are simply insane).

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i hate HOAS but in this case i agree with the HOA. they have every right to restrict obnoxious displays. if he wants to fly flags he can move somewhere else or hang it inside his house. if they let him fly a flag think of all the other things they would have to allow. besides, the flag might be offend neighbors who come from countries exploited by the us or who are illegal immigrants
 
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Never lived in an hoa, never would. Unless you live in dumbassville, city ordances will cover 98% of the stuff that hoa fanbois claim they need this parental supervision to live their daily lives.
 
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Never lived in an hoa, never would. Unless you live in dumbassville, city ordances will cover 98% of the stuff that hoa fanbois claim they need this parental supervision to live their daily lives.
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Ahh, I see... so you have 0 experience living within an HOA and are just trolling / talking out of your ass.

Gotchya :thumbsup:

Oh, and city ordinances will not cover many things that will still detract from your neighbors' home values. In fact, cities leave such things up to HOA's :D
 
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Stuxnet said:
Ahh, I see... so you have 0 experience living within an HOA and are just trolling / talking out of your ass.

Gotchya :thumbsup:

Oh, and city ordinances will not cover many things that will still detract from your neighbors' home values. In fact, cities leave such things up to HOA's :D
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Exactly.

If I lived in a $60k craphole, where a pepto-bismal house dropping the value of my house doesn't make much difference, I wouldn't want a HOA.

However, if you pass up the $250k mark, and a POS, self important neighbor who thinks his rights trumps everything, then I'd prefer a HOA to prevent a-holes from lopping $20k off the value of my house. What do I give up? The ability to have a windmill and the right to leave a non-functional vehicle or recreational vehicle in my driveway for more than 24 continuous hours. OH MY GOD,THOSE NAZIS!

A couple people in this thread need to get over themselves. "I'll do what I want with my house, because it's my right to, and everyone else be damned!" Heaven forbid they consider how their actions affect other people. People like this are exactly why HOAs exist. I'm quite pleased I'll never have to deal with selfish, arrogant a-holes like them.
 
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I'm quite pleased I'll never have to deal with selfish, arrogant a-holes like them.
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Yup. The friend/neighbor I mentioned earlier is actually one of them. He and I actually hang out quite a bit (poker, fishing, racquetball, etc), but he has a pretty pompous personality. When he started getting warnings about his grass, he started ranting like some of these yahoos around here:

"It's my ----ing house ---- those ---holes I'll do whatever the ---- I want!!!"

I tried to reason with him, but he said they could take his ass to court. Well, they fined him and told him, according to section whatever of article whatever in his contract, that if the court sided with the HOA, he would also be liable for their fees.

He paid up pretty damn quick.

The problem with these self-important twats is they think "it's my house and I have a right to do blah blah blah" actually means something. It doesn't. It means jack shit.

The HOA's I've had to deal with have been fine. In my first neighborhood when I was younger, we would forget to bring our empty trashcans up from the curb. We got a letter every now and then from the HOA reminding us that it was our responsibility to keep the curbs "reasonably clear." I got all pissy about it, because I was a self-important twat, too, but in hindsight, I was being a dick. Who wants to drive down their street looking at trashcans every day?

Be a courteous neighbor and you'll do just fine. If you think you're running your own little kingdom, go to the country.
 
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Pro-HOA crowd: "Just learn how to be nice to people and you won't have any problems and in the rare instance where there's some jackass neighbor the HOA will prevent them from knocking your house value down $20k."

Anti-HOA crowd: "Just learn how to be nice to people and you won't have any problems and in the rare instance where there's some jackass neighbor your house will lose $20k in value but you never have to worry about the equally-likely chance of getting a jackass HOA and losing your house."

To me the odds of getting a neighbor who seriously impinges my home's value are about the same as getting a horrible HOA. With the bad HOA the maximum loss is the entirety of your home. With the neighbor the maximum loss is < the value of your home. Thus, the expected possible loss is greater living in an HOA than not.
 
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sactoking said:
To me the odds of getting a neighbor who seriously impinges my home's value are about the same as getting a horrible HOA. With the bad HOA the maximum loss is the entirety of your home. With the neighbor the maximum loss is < the value of your home. Thus, the expected possible loss is greater living in an HOA than not.
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Your entire argument is hinged on a false premise that you yourself put forth with no evidence whatsoever.

Total fail.
 
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Yet another reason why I'll never live in an HOA.

The very idea seems to go against everything American. It's none of my neighbors fucking business what I do - whether that be fly a flag, have an 8' tall fence, or paint my house neon orange. It's MY house, MY property.. I'll do what I want(within the constraints of the law), and you can all kiss my ass.

I have no idea why people willingly subject themselves to such things.
 
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sactoking said:
To me the odds of getting a neighbor who seriously impinges my home's value are about the same as getting a horrible HOA. With the bad HOA the maximum loss is the entirety of your home. With the neighbor the maximum loss is < the value of your home. Thus, the expected possible loss is greater living in an HOA than not.
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you will only lose your home if you're a stubborn jackass who refuses to cooperate with the HOA, and insist on having a 100ft flagpole in the middle of your lawn and insist on painting your house with some obnoxious color after multiple warnings and fines...
 
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Eli said:
Yet another reason why I'll never live in an HOA.

The very idea seems to go against everything American. It's none of my neighbors fucking business what I do - whether that be fly a flag, have an 8' tall fence, or paint my house neon orange. It's MY house, MY property.. I'll do what I want(within the constraints of the law), and you can all kiss my ass.

I have no idea why people willingly subject themselves to such things.
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It's to protect our home values from self-important people like you who fail to understand/care how your actions affect others.
 
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Stuxnet said:
It's to protect our home values from self-important people like you who fail to understand/care how your actions affect others.
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Yet making sure someone has the correct colored drapes or has their grill covered or the other hilarious HOA crap that all the busybodies love to check is not self important? HOA people get off on measuring the height of grass or taking pictures of their grill in the back yard our counting the minutes of how long someone its parked somewhere. HOA's are for people who love getting involved in everyone else's business. The neighbors everyone hates. If it's not illegal them myob.
 
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evident said:
you will only lose your home if you're a stubborn jackass who refuses to cooperate with the HOA, and insist on having a 100ft flagpole in the middle of your lawn and insist on painting your house with some obnoxious color after multiple warnings and fines...
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Really? How about the HOA who foreclosed on a National Guardsman over $800 while he was on active duty?
http://www.wfaa.com/news/consumer/G...o-foreclosure-is-leaving-Texas-112686954.html

Or how about the Virginia condo-owner who got foreclosed upon b/c her condo association put off needed repairs then slapped her with a $12,000 assessment?
http://www.hoalegislate.com/archive...home-because-of-failure-to-fund-reserves.html

Or the woman who lost her house when she fell behind in her HOA dues, caught up, but couldn't pay $900 in atty fees?
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/02/10/texas-home-owners-association-takes-home-legal-fees/

In THIRTY-SEVEN states HOAs do not have to go before a judge to justify seizure of a property. Your home can be taken from you for as little as $1 without oversight.
 
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sactoking said:
Pro-HOA crowd: "Just learn how to be nice to people and you won't have any problems and in the rare instance where there's some jackass neighbor the HOA will prevent them from knocking your house value down $20k."

Anti-HOA crowd: "Just learn how to be nice to people and you won't have any problems and in the rare instance where there's some jackass neighbor your house will lose $20k in value but you never have to worry about the equally-likely chance of getting a jackass HOA and losing your house."

To me the odds of getting a neighbor who seriously impinges my home's value are about the same as getting a horrible HOA. With the bad HOA the maximum loss is the entirety of your home. With the neighbor the maximum loss is < the value of your home. Thus, the expected possible loss is greater living in an HOA than not.
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The more I think about it, the happier I am with my HOA. It keeps half the people in this thread out of my neighborhood.
 
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zerocool84 said:
Yet making sure someone has the correct colored drapes or has their grill covered or the other hilarious HOA crap that all the busybodies love to check is not self important?
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Holy strawman, Batman.

Your whole line of thinking is downright moronic. You cherry pick the absolute worst case scenario and then lump all HOA's into the same basket while claiming HOA's as a whole offer nothing of value. That's incredibly arrogant, ignorant, and short-sighted. You're either blinded by your irrational hate or you're just plain dumb. Either way, I'm glad you'll pass on living in my neighborhood :D
 
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zerocool84 said:
Yet making sure someone has the correct colored drapes or has their grill covered or the other hilarious HOA crap that all the busybodies love to check is not self important? HOA people get off on measuring the height of grass or taking pictures of their grill in the back yard our counting the minutes of how long someone its parked somewhere. HOA's are for people who love getting involved in everyone else's business. The neighbors everyone hates. If it's not illegal them myob.
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Your example of HOAs is the equivalent of using the Pepto-color house with 2 foot grass that are mostly weeds, 3 cars on blocks, and drug paraphenalia laying in the yard example would be for the non-HOA crowd.

HOAs aren't evil entities plotting to steal your house. Sure, there are some over-bearing extremist HOAs, just as much as there are really, really bad neighbors who spout the mantra "My house, f you," and continue to run their drug ring.

Using common sense and preparation can keep you out of those bad HOAs, just like common sense and common courtesy keeps you from ever hearing from most HOAs if you are in one. If you are incapable of that, that's your problem, not mine.
 
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