Another HOA gone mad..

[Stuxnet]

Excellent case of mutual destruction imminent by two opposing idiots. The only thing worse than stupid fucking hoa's are the people moving into them and then seeming surprised to find how fucking retarded they are.

I've lived in 3 neighborhoods. 2 of them had HOA's. The one that didn't was an absolute shit hole because entitled asshats with similar attitudes as you didn't take care of their yards or homes. A good number of lots had grass 6+ inches tall with weeds, paint that was chipping off their homes, dead trees and bushes everywhere... it was hideous and home values suffered greatly as a result. Rodent infestations were common due to the tall grass/weeds and unkempt sheds and such.

We moved "laterally" across the city (as in, to a similar-sized home in an equally performing school district). The only difference is now there's an HOA. What do you know... the place remains beautiful. A neighbor/friend of mine left his Christmas lights up until MAY and likes to cut his grass about every two months. He got countless warnings from the HOA before finally being fined. Once he was fined, he started taking care of his shit.

If you're going to live in a community, recognize that you live in a COMMUNITY. If you are the entitled asshat type, don't join a community. If you still insist on living in a community but have an irrational hate towards HOA's, then don't join a community with an HOA.

My parents lived in a condo community with an HOA that regulated everything up to and including what perennials you were allowed to plant in your regulated flower beds. If you're not stupid and you're able to read, and you have an aversion to such strict rules (which I do), don't fucking move there.

Do you people bitch when a show on TV shows a little boobie, too? Do you petition advertisers instead of just changing the channel?

 

[AnonymouseUser]

Can't we start calling them what they really are yet?

HOA = HRA (Home Renters Association)

 

[Sentrosi2121]

Wasn't this posted here like last year? I distinctly remember a thread about this guy and his plight against a HOA.

 

[Capt Caveman]

OP's title is misleading. HOA is in the right here and this vet knew the rules.

 

[sonoma1993]

I think there was a case a few years ago that went all the way to the state or federal supreme court. The case was just like this one about a flag, and the HOA lost. How many times do we have to go through this? No HOA rules, local law, state law or federal law can prohibit people from making political opinions.

There was a case like this in Jupiter, Fl in 1999. The home owner won. Also just read,in july 2006 President George W. Bush signed signed the Freedom to Display the American Flag Act of 2005http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_to_Display_the_American_Flag_Act_of_2005, allowing residents to display the flag on their residential property despite any homeowners association rule

 

[BrokenVisage]

HOAs piss me off but they win in this situation.

 

[GotIssues]

I've lived in 3 neighborhoods. 2 of them had HOA's. The one that didn't was an absolute shit hole because entitled asshats with similar attitudes as you didn't take care of their yards or homes. A good number of lots had grass 6+ inches tall with weeds, paint that was chipping off their homes, dead trees and bushes everywhere... it was hideous and home values suffered greatly as a result. Rodent infestations were common due to the tall grass/weeds and unkempt sheds and such.

We moved "laterally" across the city (as in, to a similar-sized home in an equally performing school district). The only difference is now there's an HOA. What do you know... the place remains beautiful. A neighbor/friend of mine left his Christmas lights up until MAY and likes to cut his grass about every two months. He got countless warnings from the HOA before finally being fined. Once he was fined, he started taking care of his shit.

If you're going to live in a community, recognize that you live in a COMMUNITY. If you are the entitled asshat type, don't join a community. If you still insist on living in a community but have an irrational hate towards HOA's, then don't join a community with an HOA.

My parents lived in a condo community with an HOA that regulated everything up to and including what perennials you were allowed to plant in your regulated flower beds. If you're not stupid and you're able to read, and you have an aversion to such strict rules (which I do), don't fucking move there.

Do you people bitch when a show on TV shows a little boobie, too? Do you petition advertisers instead of just changing the channel?

HOAs are like everything else, most are well intended and function just fine. A couple go out of bounds. Much like all Dodger fans aren't violent, raging lunatics ready to beat the fan of an opposing team into a coma, all HOAs are not bad or evil.

My HOA is fantastic. It ensures that one person not taking care of their place doesn't bring the value of surrounding homes down significantly in value, causing tens of thousands of dollars in damage to the value of EACH of his neighbors' houses.

Your individual rights don't give you the right to cause thousands of dollars in damage to the value of someone else's property. Too many self-involved a-holes are too caught up in themselves to realize that the world is full of other people that are affected by their actions. A proper HOA holds them accountable and responsible for these actions.

 

[OutHouse]

I've lived in 3 neighborhoods. 2 of them had HOA's. The one that didn't was an absolute shit hole because entitled asshats with similar attitudes as you didn't take care of their yards or homes. A good number of lots had grass 6+ inches tall with weeds, paint that was chipping off their homes, dead trees and bushes everywhere... it was hideous and home values suffered greatly as a result. Rodent infestations were common due to the tall grass/weeds and unkempt sheds and such.

We moved "laterally" across the city (as in, to a similar-sized home in an equally performing school district). The only difference is now there's an HOA. What do you know... the place remains beautiful. A neighbor/friend of mine left his Christmas lights up until MAY and likes to cut his grass about every two months. He got countless warnings from the HOA before finally being fined. Once he was fined, he started taking care of his shit.

If you're going to live in a community, recognize that you live in a COMMUNITY. If you are the entitled asshat type, don't join a community. If you still insist on living in a community but have an irrational hate towards HOA's, then don't join a community with an HOA.

My parents lived in a condo community with an HOA that regulated everything up to and including what perennials you were allowed to plant in your regulated flower beds. If you're not stupid and you're able to read, and you have an aversion to such strict rules (which I do), don't fucking move there.

Do you people bitch when a show on TV shows a little boobie, too? Do you petition advertisers instead of just changing the channel?

your town must suck. my town has ordinances for things like that. in fact the code enforcement dude stopped by on sat while i was mowing to give me a friendly reminder that the weeds in the alley behind my house are getting a bit tall. nothing that a little round-up wont cure.

 

[sactoking]

I agree to stay out of HOAs, but,,, HOAs should understand that your right to freedom of political speech overrides any HOA rules.

Federal law, and especially individual rights, trumps local or state laws.

Did the people that make HOA rules sleep through high school government class or something? It seems that they have no grasp of what freedom of political speech means.

I think there was a case a few years ago that went all the way to the state or federal supreme court. The case was just like this one about a flag, and the HOA lost. How many times do we have to go through this? No HOA rules, local law, state law or federal law can prohibit people from making political opinions.

Ummm... yes they can. HOA rules are not laws unitarily imposed upon the homeowners. HOA rules are voluntarily agreed upon regulations. It is perfectly lawful for a citizen to voluntarily forfeit certain rights in exchange for other consideration. Signing a non-disclosure agreement forfeits first amendment rights, for example.

As much as I dislike HOAs and what they are used for the regulations they impose are (generally) perfectly legal and the only people to blame for the ills of HOA are the fools who keep buying into them voluntarily.

 

[OutHouse]

HOAs are like everything else, most are well intended and function just fine. A couple go out of bounds. Much like all Dodger fans aren't violent, raging lunatics ready to beat the fan of an opposing team into a coma, all HOAs are not bad or evil.

My HOA is fantastic. It ensures that one person not taking care of their place doesn't bring the value of surrounding homes down significantly in value, causing tens of thousands of dollars in damage to the value of EACH of his neighbors' houses.

Your individual rights don't give you the right to cause thousands of dollars in damage to the value of someone else's property. Too many self-involved a-holes are too caught up in themselves to realize that the world is full of other people that are affected by their actions. A proper HOA holds them accountable and responsible for these actions.

sorry but if i want to paint my house mary-kay pink and have plastic pink flamingos and old toilets in my yard its my right. would i ever do such a thing? no but if i wanted to there is nothing stopping me.

 

[hanoverphist]

War vet, can't....fly....flag? Does not compute.

he can fly one all he wants. on a pole, attached to his house. he thinks it isnt as prominent as a 15 foot pole in his yard, and takes away meaning if its a stanchion mounted flag.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Must be a slow news day...

 

[Stuxnet]

sorry but if i want to paint my house mary-kay pink and have plastic pink flamingos and old toilets in my yard its my right. would i ever do such a thing? no but if i wanted to there is nothing stopping me.

You're not even TRYING to understand what's being said here. If your HOA prohibits such a thing, you can be damn sure they'll haul your ass to court and not just win, but sue you for their own court costs - and win again.

If you're one of those "it's my right to blah blah blah" types, then don't move into a neighborhood with an HOA. It really is that simple, folks. When you strip your neighbor of about $10k of home value with your pepto-pink house and he then exercises the HOA bylaws of your community, no one will give two shits about your "rights" (the likes of which do not even exist as you seem to think they do).

 

[evident]

sorry but if i want to paint my house mary-kay pink and have plastic pink flamingos and old toilets in my yard its my right. would i ever do such a thing? no but if i wanted to there is nothing stopping me.

there is something stopping you thankfully if you live in an HOA. this would be a situation where everyone would side with them.

 

[GotIssues]

You're not even TRYING to understand what's being said here. If your HOA prohibits such a thing, you can be damn sure they'll haul your ass to court and not just win, but sue you for their own court costs - and win again.

If you're one of those "it's my right to blah blah blah" types, then don't move into a neighborhood with an HOA. It really is that simple, folks. When you strip your neighbor of about $10k of home value with your pepto-pink house and he then exercises the HOA bylaws of your community, no one will give two shits about your "rights" (the likes of which do not even exist as you seem to think they do).

As per internet custom, it's not the intent of the entire post, it's what you can draw from a single sentence and rage over that counts. Duh.

 

[CountZero]

There was a case like this in Jupiter, Fl in 1999. The home owner won. Also just read,in july 2006 President George W. Bush signed signed the Freedom to Display the American Flag Act of 2005http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_to_Display_the_American_Flag_Act_of_2005, allowing residents to display the flag on their residential property despite any homeowners association rule

Interesting, so I looked it up. The wording is:

A condominium association, cooperative association, or residential
real estate management association may not adopt or enforce any policy,
or enter into any agreement, that would restrict or prevent a member of
the association from displaying the flag of the United States on
residential property within the association with respect to which such
member has a separate ownership interest or a right to exclusive
possession or use.

So the policy does not prevent an owner from displaying but it does restrict (I think, unless there is a legal definition of restrict which has a narrower definition). However I wonder if the 'separate ownership interest or a right to exclusive possession or use' applies.

Sounds like if he paid for it entirely (including the lighting expenses) and it was entirely (and unambiguously) on his property he could do it. The second part might not apply in a retirement community depending on how things are broken down though at least from my layman's interpretation.

 

[zerocool84]

I don't care what any of you say, if it's legal and it's my home, then f u I'm going to do whatever the hell I want with my home. My neighbors painted their house pepto-bismol pink. Sure it looks like crap but it's their home. Of course if their house is so unkempt then you can call the city/county on them. Too many of you here are busybodies as shown on here telling people how to live and how to spend their money.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Comprimise?

Put the flag near the entrance to the development? Association colelctively pays electric bill for lighting it at night.

 

[CountZero]

I don't care what any of you say, if it's legal and it's my home, then f u I'm going to do whatever the hell I want with my home. My neighbors painted their house pepto-bismol pink. Sure it looks like crap but it's their home. Of course if their house is so unkempt then you can call the city/county on them. Too many of you here are busybodies as shown on here telling people how to live and how to spend their money.

If you sign a legally binding contract saying you won't do something then doing that thing is a breach of contract and in essence illegal. Only thing getting you out of that would be if the contract was itself illegal.

 

[KK]

pretty soon it'll be mexican flags that the hoa will have to deal with.

 

[SlitheryDee]

I hate the very idea of a HOA, but I have no sympathy for people who are pissed off because they arent being allowed to do something they agreed not to do. If you buy into a HOA you deserve what you get.

 

[manlymatt83]

I think there ought to be a FEDERAL law that prohibits any restriction on the flying of the US flag, as long as it's done properly and tastefully. I can see not allowing a 100 foot tall flagpole and 20x30 foot flag in a crowded residential neighborhood...but a 15-25' pole with an appropriately sized flag? Perfectly fine...and should be 100% legal.
Fuck those HOA assholes who try to restrict this freedom.

No. No more federal laws.

 

[MotionMan]

If you want to do whatever you want with your home and its publically viewable surroundings, and are OK with your neighbors doing whatever they want, too, stay the fuck out of HOAs.

Info added.

HOA rules are put in place to not allow you to annoy your neighbors (and them to not annoy you). HOA rules will never give you more rights than non-HOA properties. Hence, HOA rules are, by necessity, limiting.

Do people really not understand this?

MotionMan

 

[lupi]

Info added.

HOA rules are put in place to not allow you to annoy your neighbors (and them to not annoy you). HOA rules will never give you more rights than non-HOA properties. Hence, HOA rules are, by necessity, limiting.

Do people really not understand this?

MotionMan

judging from the amount of schmucks around here that live in hoas, i'd say so.

 

[Stuxnet]

I don't care what any of you say, if it's legal and it's my home, then f u I'm going to do whatever the hell I want with my home. My neighbors painted their house pepto-bismol pink. Sure it looks like crap but it's their home. Of course if their house is so unkempt then you can call the city/county on them. Too many of you here are busybodies as shown on here telling people how to live and how to spend their money.

Do you care what contract law says, then? You don't have to take our word for it numbnuts, a legally binding contract is a legally binding contract, regardless of what you think your "rights" are after signing it.

This has shit to do with people being busybodies. It has everything to do with you keeping your word when you enter into an agreement and everything to do with your neighbors protecting their largest investments: their homes.

If you can't see the rationale in all of that, you're just plain stupid.