Another dose of crap from AMD

[rockhard]

Heh, my firm got Athlon's when they first came out as they were much better for CAD than the equivelant Intels.
We have had no problems as we got all our workstations from a reputable vendor

If ur goin to build a system for work would have been wise to first build one and get it hunky dorey before putting ur foot in it so to speak.

I am currently wondering if this thread is a "Troll", would have been better to have put up your probs/system specs first and see if the replies solved ur problem. Better still would have been an idea to have got the guys here to have given your proposed workstations the once over in a thread, may have solved ur prob before u even started

Have a little faith in these guys, theyve helped me loads and sure will for u too if u give them the chance.

rockhard =)

 

[dszd0g]

Thus far 2 of the 3 people I have talked with that have had issues with stability on an AMD platform it has been the motherboard drivers. I ask them if they downloaded the latest drivers for their motherboard and get responses like "I never install the drivers for the motherboard and have never had problems before." Windows comes with the drivers for Intel chipsets but not for AMD. In other cases they did not understand some of the options on the Via motherboard BIOS that are not present on Intel chipset boards. The problems with AMD platforms seem to be at least 80% user error.

 

[Mem]

It makes you think why people don`t bother reading the Motherboard manuals,there is always instructions at the back about installing Via drivers etc .

 

[rockhard]

RedDawn

Maybe its about time for Anand's to do a "How to" guide on setting up an Athlon based system for each OS available at the moment.
Either that or the motherboard manufacturers should put a big yellow sticker on the front of the manual sayin "Read me entirely u no brainer "

rockhard =)

 

[HaVoC]

Look at this troll! Hasn't even bothered replying yet. Notice he doesn't ask for help but just makes dumb, vague blanket statements.

 

[hoomza444]

well, i agree that it is all about parts, and not necessarilly about AMD.

First of all, an Athlon system, as far as i know, doesn't take any more work than doe a p3 system. i just built one this past week. plugged everything in, installed win 2000, and i was up and running, no problems AT ALL. this is actually more stable than any other machine i have ever used in my life. This is my second athlon, a t-bird 700, while me other is a classic 500.

Here is the thing, my 700 t-bord is like 400% more stable than my athlon classic 500. the reason....parts...and software. My classic athlon is from right when the athlon was first introduced. t has the first revision of the FIC sd11, the ONLY athlon board out at the time. i used a cheap case with a no-name power supply, and i am running win 98 SE.

On this system, i am using a more stable board, a k7m, an antec case w/ 300W athlon approved ps and runnign win 2000. This makes a world of difference. If a system crashes, it isn't necessearily the CPU, most of the time it is the OS, which is probably the problem with the 500. it can also be CHEAP PARTS, like my cheap PS. Other then that, it can be just drivers, not even always the motherboard, but drivers you wouldn't think to fix. at my work in the summer htere wa s problem with PCs (p3s) that keot crashing...we tried everything and finally foudn out that it was just that the video card drivers needed to be updated.

Basically, just don't assume that it is the CPU..it can be anything...analyze the problem and solve it. Ther ehas to be an explanantion, and i don't htink that it is a bad cpu

 

[Syborg1211]

what's a TROLL???

 

[rockhard]

Trolling is where a fisherman throws out a baited line and drags it behind his boat trying to catch fish.
Another dose of crap from AMD is the bait and were the fish he's trying to bait.
Is it considered a blood sport?

rockhard =)

 

[Syborg1211]

I guess I am getting on the boat then because I have known a few people with athlons and had several problems and when they got the problems fixed, they still wish for a coppermine.

 

[Killfile]

Ignore the guy, he's just a flamebaiter. Have a look at some of his other posts:

"Why is the Athlon so Overhyped?!"

Short summary of AMD's claims in beating the P6:

K6-2: remember the PR b4 this chip was released, where AMD attempted to position this on the PPro/P2 level. It fell way short.

k6-3: marginal improvements.

Athlon: finally catching up with the P3, though it still fell short in direct comparisons on the same benchmarks (FPU performance was better than P3). Then AMD advocates hyped "the Thunderbird will kick P3's arse with full speed L2).

Thunderbird: it STILL fell short in most of the benchmarks, although the gap has narrowed again.

Lastly, stability of the Athlon platform is clearly not there with the BX/P3 combo. Look at how picky the Athlon platform is with even the power supply.

Doesnt this cause one to wonder, why do people think the Athlon is superior to the P3?! Or is it just because its against Intel?


"KX133 and Windows 2000 Compatibility Article"

Bloody typical VIA + AMD screwups. Solid proof that this platform is just NOT stable

"DDR SDRAM and the AMD Athlon"

Yeh but you can hardly say the DDR Athlon "rocks" tho eh? How many chances do we need to give until the Athlon beats a P3 flat?

And most tellingly:

Of course anyone who says anything negative about AMD must be GUTB.

 

[Adul]

GUTB the return?

 

[Soccerman]

I wonder if he even knows who GUTB is..

 

[rockhard]

heh, this thread gets me laughin to myself everytime i get a "lemming reply notification" in my inbox
especially when im doin it all, browsing, gaming, yadda yadda with not a single problem on a supposedly unreliable/unstable T-bird system.
Every man to his own i suppose,

rockhard =)

 

[Fisher999]

Well if he is just "baiting", everyone has pretty well taken the bait, as have I!!!
There is no question that planning, configuring and tweaking an Athlon/T-Bird/Duron-based
system takes some care and attention. Isn't that what makes the whole process fun???

I'm neither an AMD nor an INTEL fan... (fanatic).... just a pc NUT!!!

 

[Syborg1211]

this would be a nice amd vs intel thread if the intel people would show.

 

[rockhard]

heh, be even better when some AMD guys lay the smack down with some benches to show who's boss

rockhard =)

 

[Syborg1211]

the benchs are not too far apart but significant enough

i have been an intel-pusher forever, but i have to admit that the price of the amd chips do appeal to me, until i realize that the motherboards are expensive as sh!t. Which evens out the two cpus. Since i have an intel board already, i stay with intel.
All i have to say is P4 should be a cool chip and we will have to see

 

[rockhard]

Syborg1211 yeah sure gonna be good for us all IMO
P4, coinciding with Cu T-Birds with DDR and soon after Mustang.
Theres goin to be so much jockying between Intel and AMD for the Power Users money prices should come down more than they have already
Im goin to take a long hard look at the P4 when it comes out as them leaked memory benches sure looked sweet

Although if the DDR chipsets for the T-Bird come to anything might be the cheaper option for me, just like u and ur P3

As u see i aint no zealot, just like u, best bang for ur buck,

rockhard =)

 

[Eli]

This thread is comical.


Either you're full of crap, or your techs are brainless.

 

[chiwawa626]

ahhh,,....hes getin payback for sayin amd platform sucks

 

[rockhard]

I wondered if it was a case of had a bit of trouble and blow it out of all proportion? hmmm?

God, if theyre techs cant sort it perhaps they should take some lessons from u guys

Perhaps their employers be better off advertising their jobs on here

Heh, im getting carried away now

rockhard =)

 

[kmike75]

Ok, let's back up the bus there Alnoor... It's sounds like your company has a Vega, and someone may have upgraded using Caddy parts... A strike against AMD in this forum is not exactly the way to get started. I've been reading for nearly a year, didn't post until 4 months ago ( my first post was a hoot, looking back, but hey, it was on topic and wasn't locked ). Anand is about teaching an learning. It's the best forum on the net, with a bunch of real good people just like you. Tell us exactly the system spec's, and watch as the best on the net jump in to help.

this bumps 4 you alnoor...
kevin

 

[chiwawa626]

alnoor, if amd supsodily sucks so much, howcome so many people like them? look at my amd vs intel poll amd is doubled intel votes. i think u or the person making them computers is doin somthing wrong. millions of dollars in research doesnt always end up as a dud! just to let u know, and not meaning to get flamed, hmm...i remember not to long ago Intel claimed to be top speed, then had a recall on their 1.13

 

[Remnant2]

guys, uh, hold on a second.

alnoor is a new junior member. He posts a very inflammatory statement with no corroborating evidence.

I think ya'lls been snookered. Notice how he hasn't popped up since in this thread? People who are posting for real usually read threads they post. Trolls stir up a hornets nest and then just walk away laughing.

Which is what I believe has happened.

 

[ColdTech]

I thinks its an

[END USER] caused a ID10T error in the module [Between keyboard & chair]error myself.