Another cop abuse case caught on video

[Phokus]

Congress needs to make it a law that bodycams are mandatory. I don't understand why this isn't the case yet.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

Congress needs to make it a law that bodycams are mandatory. I don't understand why this isn't the case yet.

And when those body cams record more evidence that will lead to the guilt of those being stopped and questioned then the bad behavior of police officers, even if the reason for stopping potential suspects had nothing to do initial reasons the chickens will come home to roost. I.e. be very careful what you ask the Feds to do because the unintended consequences will almost always bite you in the butt due to your own shortsightedness.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE

 

[Darwin333]

I share the sentiment of the other officers being responsible...
HOWEVER...

Think about the situation you'd create. Both men are armed. If a conflict rises he's either going to surrender... or immediately escalate to deadly force. You holding him at gunpoint means either compliance or fatality. There is no middle ground.

Remember that before you choose to turn a gun on someone. If the situation wasn't life or death... it is after that.

If I see someone kicking someone on the ground in the head, its already a life or death situation.

With that said, you are right obviously but it goes beyond that. If you, as a cop, were to turn your weapon to another cop and take him in without incident your life would now be at risk from other cops. They are that serious about the blue wall or blue line and if you break it, regardless of how right you are, they will end your career or make you fear for your life so much that you quit. More so than on the streets, in the police snitches get stitches.

 

[Humpy]

bad apples?

I'm really starting to worry about the police ruining the reputation of apples.

 

[Ackmed]

Congress needs to make it a law that bodycams are mandatory. I don't understand why this isn't the case yet.

Are you (assuming you're a tax payer) ready to pay for this? Not just the devices but the huge amount of data it will use? Storage for all body cams would be enormous. Smaller agencies could not pay for this. Larger ones would have a hard time too, and would have to pass it off to the citizens. Not only that, but in my State they are so free with the freedom of information act it will lead to problems. Already has. You could fight with your significant other, cops come over deal with it and leave, your neighbor can go the next day and request a copy of the tape. And they would get it. I don't like that, and I think it will be abused. It is just not as easy as "give everyone body cams". Several factors go into this.

 

[rommelrommel]

that's the enemy. that's what in our judeo-christian nation is the idea of "Anti-Christ."

they are a product of the Nazi 4th Reichstag

Can you explain what any of this blathering is supposed to mean?

 

[cKGunslinger]

Are you (assuming you're a tax payer) ready to pay for this? Not just the devices but the huge amount of data it will use? Storage for all body cams would be enormous. Smaller agencies could not pay for this.

Indeed, a large part of the equation is the infrastructure to support such a thing. There are local police in the area on the local news showing off their supply room, full of brand-new body cameras, but they aren't in use because the infrastructure to capture and store the information isn't in place and there is no room in the existing budgets to set it up.

 

[Blanky]

NO you wouldn't.

He would get off. You would be charged with something made up. you would either be fired or harassed until you quite. Then whenever you NEED backup NOBODY would come.

This is unfortunately true.

BTW I read on another forum a person defending this by saying that he thinks the suspect was in a sprinter's pose and about to run away so the face kick prevented him from sprinting away. Crazy.

 

[master_shake_]

This is unfortunately true.

BTW I read on another forum a person defending this by saying that he thinks the suspect was in a sprinter's pose and about to run away so the face kick prevented him from sprinting away. Crazy.

wow. just fucking wow.

some people will be apologists to the very end.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

The simple fact that you think all cops are bad based on the actions of very very very few is simply idiotic. Speaks of your intelligence. When a cop does something wrong, he should be punished. No argument here. With all the interactions of police and criminals the wrong actions of a few sadly over shadow the good actions of the vast majority. So yeah it is a few bad apples, you can continue to sing that tune in sarcasm all you want, it is still the truth.

How do you reconcile the fact that we (as in US citizens living in the US) are more likely to be killed by a cop then by a terrorist?

Terrorism can't be this existential threat to us if it is less dangerous then interacting with a cop. Since terrorism is less then cops killing people, that means that the "few bad apples" of Muslim terrorism isn't a big deal right?

The vast majority of Muslims are like the vast majority of cops, which means law abiding, according to you then, right?

 

[TechBoyJK]

bad apples?

When the orchid has thousands of trees, expect a lot of bad apples.

 

[Genx87]

Indeed, a large part of the equation is the infrastructure to support such a thing. There are local police in the area on the local news showing off their supply room, full of brand-new body cameras, but they aren't in use because the infrastructure to capture and store the information isn't in place and there is no room in the existing budgets to set it up.

Maybe instead of giving APCs to departments. The DoD should be giving them disc space and a records system.

While the costs of infrastructure is a real concern. This should in many departments be offset by the decline in police brutality claims. NYC averages about 100 million a year in settling brutality claims. How much infrastructure could they build with half that money?

 

[Jerem]

The infrastructure already exists for dash cams. That infrastructure could be expanded or parallel infrastructure put in place for body cams. They really aren't all that different in application. If it still really hard to figure out a call to Realto California will fill in the blanks. Their body can program reduced civilian complaints by over 80% and the number of times of use of force was applied by 60%, and they didn't seem to have any problem implementing it.

 

[Ackmed]

How do you reconcile the fact that we (as in US citizens living in the US) are more likely to be killed by a cop then by a terrorist?

Terrorism can't be this existential threat to us if it is less dangerous then interacting with a cop. Since terrorism is less then cops killing people, that means that the "few bad apples" of Muslim terrorism isn't a big deal right?

The vast majority of Muslims are like the vast majority of cops, which means law abiding, according to you then, right?

I have zero chance of being killed by a cop. So it is not a fact. Wanna know why? I am not a criminal. I had my run in with the law, was arrested a few times. Learned my lesson, and have been clean for over 20 years. If confronted by a cop, I'll do what he says, because I did nothing wrong. I certainly won't run. I won't resist, or do anything else stupid.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I have zero chance of being killed by a cop. So it is not a fact. Wanna know why? I am not a criminal. I had my run in with the law, was arrested a few times. Learned my lesson, and have been clean for over 20 years. If confronted by a cop, I'll do what he says, because I did nothing wrong. I certainly won't run. I won't resist, or do anything else stupid.

We all know that will keep you safe....btw, stop lunging for his weapon.

 

[xBiffx]

You cop haters need to pick your battles better. About the only thing wrong here was the decision to let this guy return to patrol division, well to return at all for that matter. Other than that, I don't see anything wrong with how this was handled.

I do however see a problem with convening another grand jury on the exact same evidence. Unless this story conveniently leaves out some of those details, I'm not exactly sure how a second grand jury was even allowed to consider this just because the first didn't return the decision the now serving Attorney General wants.

Oh and body camera's weren't an issue here, nor would they stop things like this from happening. Its a nice red herring though.

 

[Genx87]

You cop haters need to pick your battles better. About the only thing wrong here was the decision to let this guy return to patrol division, well to return at all for that matter. Other than that, I don't see anything wrong with how this was handled.

I do however see a problem with convening another grand jury on the exact same evidence. Unless this story conveniently leaves out some of those details, I'm not exactly sure how a second grand jury was even allowed to consider this just because the first didn't return the decision the now serving Attorney General wants.

There you have it folks. We are all cop haters if we think allowing a cop to kick a guy on his knees in the head knocking him out is an abuse of power.

Oh and body camera's weren't an issue here, nor would they stop things like this from happening. Its a nice red herring though.

You would of course be wrong.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/07/business/wearable-video-cameras-for-police-officers.html?_r=1&

 

[xBiffx]

There you have it folks. We are all cop haters if we think allowing a cop to kick a guy on his knees in the head knocking him out is an abuse of power.

Yeah, cause I said that.

You would of course be wrong.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/07/bu...ers.html?_r=1&

Is that all you have? Because I don't think that applies to everything now does it. Pretty sure body cameras don't prevent a cop from kicking someone in the head. If you would like to show how a camera can stop that, go right ahead, knock yourself out.

 

[Genx87]

Yeah, cause I said just that.

What did you mean by "us cop haters should pick better battles"? Why are we cop haters for pointing out police brutality and being disgusted by it?

Is that all you have? Because I don't think that applies to everything now does it.

What do you mean is that all I have? It is the first study of police wearing body cams. The statistics are remarkable. Huge reductions in the use of force and complaints against the police. So yes, having a body cam in this situation could very well have caused this cop to think twice before knocking a guy who was in the middle of surrendering out with a kick to the head.

 

[PokerGuy]

The idea of body cams sounds nice, it eliminates a lot of the doubt about what happened in a particular situation. There are a lot of aspects that need to be sorted out though, like who gets access to the recordings, what they are used for, how long they are kept, FOIA requests etc etc etc. Also, we (as a society) should also be very aware of the big brother aspect of everything being recorded.

Another issue to consider, how many informants are going to want to talk to a cop when they know they are being recorded? I'm guessing it would put a big damper on the amount of info cops can get by just talking to people in the community.

 

[xBiffx]

What did you mean by "us cop haters should pick better battles"? Why are we cop haters for pointing out police brutality and being disgusted by it?

I meant exactly what I said. Sorry you fail at reading comprehension. As for your second point, its too bad its not only that. That's completely understandable. Again, you fail at reading comprehension.

What do you mean is that all I have? It is the first study of police wearing body cams. The statistics are remarkable. Huge reductions in the use of force and complaints against the police. So yes, having a body cam in this situation could very well have caused this cop to think twice before knocking a guy who was in the middle of surrendering out with a kick to the head.

Did the camera on the squad car stop this from happening? No. So how is it that a body camera is going to stop it?

I hate to break it to you, camera or not, a cop acting on instinct, reacting to something, or (in this case) overreacting isn't going to be stopped by a camera. Sorry you think so. Also sorry for the innocent person who dies because a cop was "thinking twice."

 

[Genx87]

Did the camera on the squad car stop this from happening? No. So how is it that a body camera is going to stop it?

I hate to break it to you, camera or not, a cop acting on instinct, reacting to something, or (in this case) overreacting isn't going to be stopped by a camera. Sorry you think so. Also sorry for the innocent person who dies because a cop was "thinking twice."

I know statistics and science is hard for so many "small govt" conservatives that support the police state. But statistically speaking. The science is coming in hard against your theory.

 

[Mai72]

I have a feeling this cop is going to lose his job.

I say good. As Jeffrey Toobin stated "cell phone videos is transforming American law enforcement." It's about time. As more and more videos emerge of police brutality it is going to be very difficult for the police unions to say that this is OK. It's not OK!

IMO, it's only going to get worse and we'll have many more riots.

 

[Mai72]

I meant exactly what I said. Sorry you fail at reading comprehension. As for your second point, its too bad its not only that. That's completely understandable. Again, you fail at reading comprehension.



Did the camera on the squad car stop this from happening? No. So how is it that a body camera is going to stop it?

I hate to break it to you, camera or not, a cop acting on instinct, reacting to something, or (in this case) overreacting isn't going to be stopped by a camera. Sorry you think so. Also sorry for the innocent person who dies because a cop was "thinking twice."

It will change.

Either they start firing these bad cops or we are going to have more riots, and cities are going to go broke paying out huge settlements to the victims. Money talks. Look at Baltimore. Millions of dollars in damages. Whose going to pay for it? The taxpayers.

 

[xBiffx]

I know statistics and science is hard for so many "small govt" conservatives that support the police state. But statistically speaking. The science is coming in hard against your theory.

What science? That study is completely devoid of it. For one, the officers get to choose when and where to record. Another, only half the officers are equipped with cameras. You and that study are suffering from huge confirmation bias.