Another blue state crumbles

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: bozack
MA is having issues of its own...they are now considering a gas tax hike as well as raising tolls on the Pike, and it is pretty much guaranteed that property taxes will be on the move again next year.

Actually they are considering the gas tax in lieu of raising the tolls and maybe even doing away with them to find an equitable way to pay for debts like the huge one from the Big Dig, a debt left to MA by ex Gov Romney. Not that Boston didn't need it but it has to be paid for some how.

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Ummm Romney was responsible for the Big Dig debt?

Please tell me. The Big Dig started in 1985 and finished shortly after he took office in 2003.

No he wasn't responsible for the Big Dig dept but it was his responsibility as Governor to set into motions ways of paying it off which he left for his predecessor to do. Now that burden falls on Patrick and he's getting the heat for it.

 

[heyheybooboo]

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: Deeko

So go ahead, pull some partisan BS out of your ass, but Washington is a blue state that tries to act like a red state, so per your own logic, the ways of the red states are failing in WA. I don't look at it that way - just responding to your asinine title.

Given how great Texas is doing thanks to Bush and Perry, looks like they aren't trying properly! :laugh:

LOL

Texas State Moto: Last in Education | First in Executions

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

What kind of dumb ass statement is that?

Of the ten fastest growing states (by percentage) in the country 6 are solid red.
One (North Carolina) is traditionally red.

Not even close. In the last 100 years North Carolina has had 21 Democratic governors and 2 Republican governors (who held office for 12 years, total). Republican control of the State General Assembly even less than that ....

So you are calling Texas a traditionally blue state too?

mmmm ... No

Weener seemed to be holding Texas as some great model of fiscal responsibility (which is not true). Federal funding of Texas secondary education has increased 65% under Bush (the highest subsidy in the nation). Eventually (like next year) Texas will have to start paying their own way.

And I don't know what's up with Johnnie. North Carolina is not 'solid or traditional' red. I would imagine this was just another in a long line of Johnnie 'Ass-Facts' ...

North Carolina projected an 8-10% future budget shortfall back in the Summer. Through a continuing series of 'freezes & cutbacks' since then I think the shortfall has been reduced so far to 2-3% by administrative action without legislative intervention.

North Carolina essentially operates on a 2-year budget. The 'Generous Assembly' meets on alternating 'long and short' sessions - setting the 2 year budget in the long session and 'tweaking' it during the short session the following year. The upcoming session in January is 'long' meaning it will review the current financial position, adjust the current budget where required and then typically (in tough financial times) they will 'hibernate' mid-summer - popping back up to tweak the future budget depending upon revenue and expenditure projections.

In typical 'short' session years they convene in January, get to work in February and for the most part wind down business by June.

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: winnar111
I'm guessing the city and state that collects hundreds of millions of dollars in tax revenue cares so they can funnel that money to the teacher's union.

Oh well, that's gone now.

If it was the Seahawks I might agree. No one goes (went?) to Sonics games and no one goes to Mariners games.

Correct, multimillion dollar sports arenas aren't paid off for 20+ years for a GOOD team, and the Sonics were shitty as hell.

The sports arena in question would have never been paid off, and then they'd ask for another new taxpayer funded arena within a decade or two anyway.

Hmm, give away millions to a sports team and never expect to get it back? No thanks

The ownage towards the Republicans in this thread is truly epic. Red states have worse economies (as was established, lowest per capita GDP), worse education, worse quality of living, etc. etc.

 

[Double Trouble]

Wait wait.... the government wasting lots and lots of money leads to fiscal problems? No, say it ain't so! Duh, that's why states like Cali, New York, Illinois etc are in such trouble, they have the most squander happy governments in the nation. One of the very very very few silver linings to this economic climate is that finally some of the governments around the country will be forced to cut back instead of simply raising more taxes like they usually do when they want to squander more money.

 

[postmortemIA]

Just curious, for those that live there- how is WA dependent of Boeing's and Microsoft well-being?

 

[Oceandevi]

Originally posted by: Farang

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: Farang
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...P_per_capita_(nominal)

9 out of 10 of the lowest per capita GDP states are red. Also consider that 56% of states are blue.

Exactly what are you trying to say? Your blue states also have the highest cost of living.

quick link:
http://www.missourieconomy.org...st_of_living/index.stm

Higher cost of living relates to how demand to live in blue states is so high

not really. Stop spinning stats for no purpose.

 

[GroundedSailor]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Red state/blue state is more of a way to compare states on a national level. You can't look at a Democrat governor or state assembly and claim it is a blue state.

Yes you can look at them both way. States which have a republican state assembly and/or Governor for the most part are viewed as Red states, even of they sometimes vote for the opposite party at a national level. What yiu are referring to is the voting pattern on national elections.

Those Democrats are going to be FAR different than the Democrats in states like New York or Mass etc.

They still have a big D after their name and for the most part will vote progressive - individual quirks notwithstanding.

 

[JEDI]

Originally posted by: cubby1223
Could be worse. Our Democratic Governor in Illinois often runs at 15-20% approval rating, dipping even down to 4% last month! Massive budget problems in this state.

another 1% "temporary" sales tax hike, i predict.

sales tax went from 4% to 5, to 6, to 7, etc.

temp sales tax hikes seem permanent because they keep spending!

 

[Gothgar]

Originally posted by: cubby1223
Could be worse. Our Democratic Governor in Illinois often runs at 15-20% approval rating, dipping even down to 4% last month! Massive budget problems in this state.

wow, that is bad

 

[PokerGuy]

Originally posted by: JEDI

Originally posted by: cubby1223
Could be worse. Our Democratic Governor in Illinois often runs at 15-20% approval rating, dipping even down to 4% last month! Massive budget problems in this state.

another 1% "temporary" sales tax hike, i predict.

sales tax went from 4% to 5, to 6, to 7, etc.

temp sales tax hikes seem permanent because they keep spending!

Yep, that's what most politicians think: when you run out of money to spend, just raise taxes and get more money. Spend it. Repeat as needed.

That's why informed citizens should be VERY suspect of any tax/fee increase, and question if it's really needed.

 

[pstylesss]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: winnar111

And they just re-elected their governor.....seems like these people aren't too bright.

How can you lay fault for the state's fiscal shortfall on the governor or the voters of Washington when the same problems are happening nation wide? If you want to lay some blame, try putting it where it belongs, on your Traitor In Chief and his criminal cabal who squandered the lives of 4,201 American troops (as of today) and trillions of dollars in current and future debt and doubled their horrific inpact on the economy by deregulating their wealthy Wall Street robber barron contribuors and abandoning any remaining oversight over the financial mess.

We're finally about to dump them, but the damage they've done to this nation, ethically, morally and financially will be a burden on our great great grandchildren long after we're gone from this planet.

You were stupid enough to pimp them for the last eight years and his McShameful wannabe clone and the his brain dead wannabe running mate to follow, and you're stupid enough to pimp nothing but bigotry in the Prop 8 threads. In other words, given the choice of being one of the good guys or being an intellectual, political, moral or ethical turd, you've been, and you continue to be, on the wrong side of every issue. You're hardly the sharpest crayon in the box, let alone qualified to comment about anyone else's intellectual abilities. :thumbsdown:

Oh please Harvey. She has been a reckless spender the entire time she has been in office and a budget deficit has been forecast for quite awhile now. She has been in denial for a long time. Her budget was setup originally with an increase in revenue and she outspent her foretasted revenue increase. Back when the 3.2 billion deficit was projected it includes the padding of the project revenue increase as well. So Gregoire outspent, we'd be in this mess even in good economic times, it's just that the bad economic times made it worse.

 

[pstylesss]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: winnar111
Topic Title: Another blue state crumbles
Topic Summary: Bye Washington!

Ooooh please say you live there and you will leave

No, but the Sonics did. The Democrats ran em out of town.

Ohhhh, ok. So Seattle/Washington should have given them the hundreds of millions they wanted for a new arena? Yet another RED decision that cost the state. You are losing this argument, kid, you'd be better off backing out of the thread with your little tail between your legs.

You're wrong. a group of investors offered to do some things but needed the gov to step in to help start the negotiations and whatnot and they refused.

 

[pstylesss]

Originally posted by: daniel49
I voted for rossi for the second time.
Everyone I talked to was voting for rossi as well, including my democratic friends so was kinda odd.

Everyone I know voted for Rossi also. I have no idea how CG got the amount of votes I got. Only think I can think of is a bunch of people that voted for Obama just voted straight blue because Obama was and didn't know any better.

 

[pstylesss]

Originally posted by: dainthomas

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: wirelessenabled

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: winnar111
Topic Title: Another blue state crumbles
Topic Summary: Bye Washington!

Ooooh please say you live there and you will leave

No, but the Sonics did. The Democrats ran em out of town.

Yeah the Redumblicans wanted to build the franchise some monster arena for free. Demoncrats said no. Good riddance!

Already paying for a football stadium for Seahawks owned by billionaire Paul Allen and a baseball stadium for the Mariners. If the bastards can't make a go of it let them move, who cares?

I'm guessing the city and state that collects hundreds of millions of dollars in tax revenue cares so they can funnel that money to the teacher's union.

Oh well, that's gone now.

Seriously? The theory that professional sports teams increase the local economy enough to pay for their bloated arenas was debunked long ago.

So Gregoire gets a hard time for increasing K-12 and higher education spending (no way THAT investment will ever pay off). But then "democrats" also get a hard time for NOT throwing hundreds of millions at a billionaire sports franchise owner.

It all makes sense now.

No, she is getting a hard time for spending above her means. She didn't spend all of the deficit on education, and the education spending she did sucks anyway. Also, she is making up for that spending now by cutting education budgets.

There's three things her mother always told her, and they were: education, education, education. and she will not cut education!

That was her from one of her debates. She also said she wouldn't raise taxes. We'll see how long until she admits she lied, again. "Well, I never really said no taxes..."

 

[pstylesss]

Originally posted by: postmortemIA
Just curious, for those that live there- how is WA dependent of Boeing's and Microsoft well-being?

Thousands upon thousands of jobs. I'd say they are very important.