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dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: wirelessenabled
Originally posted by: winnar111
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: winnar111
Topic Title: Another blue state crumbles
Topic Summary: Bye Washington!

Ooooh please say you live there and you will leave

No, but the Sonics did. The Democrats ran em out of town.

Yeah the Redumblicans wanted to build the franchise some monster arena for free. Demoncrats said no. Good riddance!

Already paying for a football stadium for Seahawks owned by billionaire Paul Allen and a baseball stadium for the Mariners. If the bastards can't make a go of it let them move, who cares?

Bout time we start running Republicans out of town. :thumbsup:

Next, the country
 

winnar111

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Originally posted by: wirelessenabled
Originally posted by: winnar111
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: winnar111
Topic Title: Another blue state crumbles
Topic Summary: Bye Washington!

Ooooh please say you live there and you will leave

No, but the Sonics did. The Democrats ran em out of town.

Yeah the Redumblicans wanted to build the franchise some monster arena for free. Demoncrats said no. Good riddance!

Already paying for a football stadium for Seahawks owned by billionaire Paul Allen and a baseball stadium for the Mariners. If the bastards can't make a go of it let them move, who cares?

I'm guessing the city and state that collects hundreds of millions of dollars in tax revenue cares so they can funnel that money to the teacher's union.

Oh well, that's gone now.
 

ProfJohn

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Originally posted by: Farang
Originally posted by: cubby1223
Originally posted by: Farang
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...P_per_capita_(nominal)

9 out of 10 of the lowest per capita GDP states are red. Also consider that 56% of states are blue.

Exactly what are you trying to say? Your blue states also have the highest cost of living.

quick link:
http://www.missourieconomy.org...st_of_living/index.stm
Higher cost of living relates to how demand to live in blue states is so high
What kind of dumb ass statement is that?

Of the ten fastest growing states (by percentage) in the country 6 are solid red.
One (North Carolina) is traditionally red.
Two (Nevada and Florida) are swing states.
And one (Colorado) was a red state that just switched blue.

NONE of them are traditionally blue states.
(The states in order of growth: Arizona, Nevada, Idaho, Georgia, Texas, Utah, North Carolina, Colorado, Florida and South Carolina.)

BTW the cost of living in blue states is higher because they are northern and thus have higher energy costs due to heating and they have higher tax burdens.
The top ten states in terms of tax burden:
New Jersey 11.8% New Yorkers 11.7%, Connecticut 11.1% Maryland (10.8%), Hawaii (10.6%), California (10.5%), Ohio (10.4%). Vermont (10.3%), Wisconsin (10.2%) and Rhode Island (10.2%).
Not one red state among the group... hmmmm
 

LumbergTech

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: Farang
Originally posted by: cubby1223
Originally posted by: Farang
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...P_per_capita_(nominal)

9 out of 10 of the lowest per capita GDP states are red. Also consider that 56% of states are blue.

Exactly what are you trying to say? Your blue states also have the highest cost of living.

quick link:
http://www.missourieconomy.org...st_of_living/index.stm
Higher cost of living relates to how demand to live in blue states is so high
What kind of dumb ass statement is that?

Of the ten fastest growing states (by percentage) in the country 6 are solid red.
One (North Carolina) is traditionally red.
Two (Nevada and Florida) are swing states.
And one (Colorado) was a red state that just switched blue.

NONE of them are traditionally blue states.
(The states in order of growth: Arizona, Nevada, Idaho, Georgia, Texas, Utah, North Carolina, Colorado, Florida and South Carolina.)

BTW the cost of living in blue states is higher because they northern and thus have higher energy costs due to heating and they have higher tax burdens.
The top ten states in terms of tax burden:
New Jersey 11.8% New Yorkers 11.7%, Connecticut 11.1% Maryland (10.8%), Hawaii (10.6%), California (10.5%), Ohio (10.4%). Vermont (10.3%), Wisconsin (10.2%) and Rhode Island (10.2%).
Not one red state among the group... hmmmm

fastest growing in what way? people moving there..or people having children?
 

ProfJohn

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Originally posted by: LumbergTech
fastest growing in what way? people moving there..or people having children?
Don't know, ask the census people.

I do know that the list of slowest growing states is dominated by blue states.
In order from slowest: Louisiana, Rhode Island, Washington DC, Michigan, New York, Ohio, Mass, Mississippi, Conn, North Dakota, Vermont.

Since Miss and LA are due to fallout from Katrina we are left with 7 solid blue states one swing state and one red state.
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: Farang
Originally posted by: cubby1223
Originally posted by: Farang
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...P_per_capita_(nominal)

9 out of 10 of the lowest per capita GDP states are red. Also consider that 56% of states are blue.

Exactly what are you trying to say? Your blue states also have the highest cost of living.

quick link:
http://www.missourieconomy.org...st_of_living/index.stm
Higher cost of living relates to how demand to live in blue states is so high
What kind of dumb ass statement is that?

Of the ten fastest growing states (by percentage) in the country 6 are solid red.
One (North Carolina) is traditionally red.
Two (Nevada and Florida) are swing states.
And one (Colorado) was a red state that just switched blue.

NONE of them are traditionally blue states.
(The states in order of growth: Arizona, Nevada, Idaho, Georgia, Texas, Utah, North Carolina, Colorado, Florida and South Carolina.)

BTW the cost of living in blue states is higher because they are northern and thus have higher energy costs due to heating and they have higher tax burdens.
The top ten states in terms of tax burden:
New Jersey 11.8% New Yorkers 11.7%, Connecticut 11.1% Maryland (10.8%), Hawaii (10.6%), California (10.5%), Ohio (10.4%). Vermont (10.3%), Wisconsin (10.2%) and Rhode Island (10.2%).
Not one red state among the group... hmmmm

This is a ridiculous argument, on both sides. State's aren't all red or all blue, so arguing things on a state level is one of the most retarded arguments you people could possibly be having. And your simplistic ideas of what makes a state good are bad are not helping at all.
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: LumbergTech
fastest growing in what way? people moving there..or people having children?
Don't know, ask the census people.

I do know that the list of slowest growing states is dominated by blue states.
In order from slowest: Louisiana, Rhode Island, Washington DC, Michigan, New York, Ohio, Mass, Mississippi, Conn, North Dakota, Vermont.

Since Miss and LA are due to fallout from Katrina we are left with 7 solid blue states one swing state and one red state.

Just for the sake of argument, have you considered the fact that many of the "blue" states you mentioned have been states for a long time and have a fairly large and stable population to begin with? How exactly is Washington DC's population, for example, going to get bigger when it's already wall to wall people? Maybe that's not the reason, but you have totally failed to account for all the factors that contribute to population growth, and just assuming that it's due to the voting patterns of a majority of the state's residents.
 

Farang

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: Farang
Originally posted by: cubby1223
Originally posted by: Farang
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...P_per_capita_(nominal)

9 out of 10 of the lowest per capita GDP states are red. Also consider that 56% of states are blue.

Exactly what are you trying to say? Your blue states also have the highest cost of living.

quick link:
http://www.missourieconomy.org...st_of_living/index.stm
Higher cost of living relates to how demand to live in blue states is so high
What kind of dumb ass statement is that?

Of the ten fastest growing states (by percentage) in the country 6 are solid red.
One (North Carolina) is traditionally red.
Two (Nevada and Florida) are swing states.
And one (Colorado) was a red state that just switched blue.

NONE of them are traditionally blue states.
(The states in order of growth: Arizona, Nevada, Idaho, Georgia, Texas, Utah, North Carolina, Colorado, Florida and South Carolina.)

BTW the cost of living in blue states is higher because they are northern and thus have higher energy costs due to heating and they have higher tax burdens.
The top ten states in terms of tax burden:
New Jersey 11.8% New Yorkers 11.7%, Connecticut 11.1% Maryland (10.8%), Hawaii (10.6%), California (10.5%), Ohio (10.4%). Vermont (10.3%), Wisconsin (10.2%) and Rhode Island (10.2%).
Not one red state among the group... hmmmm

Instead of getting bogged down in vague terms such as "traditionally," (I don't know how a state can be red when it has a Democratic governor, senator, and presidential preference) let's look at what the states actually are on the electoral map:

North Carolina is blue.
Nevada is blue.
Colorado is blue.
Florida is blue.

4/10 of the fastest growing states are blue. More or less even money, not much to make an argument off of.

Before you respond to anything I just said, though, don't. A better point is that your argument is based off of percentage growth rates which is going to favor sparsely populated states, which Republicans tend to dominate. Don't tell me people are more inclined to move to Idaho than Washington state. The real count should be based off of hard numbers--how many people are moving into blue states, how many are moving out?
 

Farang

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and the numbers are in.. these states had more net population changes than any other in 2007:

California
Texas
Florida
Georgia
Arizona
North Carolina
Virginia
Washington
Nevada
Colorado

7/10 blue

Anyway this is a dumb argument that proves nothing
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: Farang
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: Farang
Originally posted by: cubby1223
Originally posted by: Farang
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...P_per_capita_(nominal)

9 out of 10 of the lowest per capita GDP states are red. Also consider that 56% of states are blue.

Exactly what are you trying to say? Your blue states also have the highest cost of living.

quick link:
http://www.missourieconomy.org...st_of_living/index.stm
Higher cost of living relates to how demand to live in blue states is so high
What kind of dumb ass statement is that?

Of the ten fastest growing states (by percentage) in the country 6 are solid red.
One (North Carolina) is traditionally red.
Two (Nevada and Florida) are swing states.
And one (Colorado) was a red state that just switched blue.

NONE of them are traditionally blue states.
(The states in order of growth: Arizona, Nevada, Idaho, Georgia, Texas, Utah, North Carolina, Colorado, Florida and South Carolina.)

BTW the cost of living in blue states is higher because they are northern and thus have higher energy costs due to heating and they have higher tax burdens.
The top ten states in terms of tax burden:
New Jersey 11.8% New Yorkers 11.7%, Connecticut 11.1% Maryland (10.8%), Hawaii (10.6%), California (10.5%), Ohio (10.4%). Vermont (10.3%), Wisconsin (10.2%) and Rhode Island (10.2%).
Not one red state among the group... hmmmm

Instead of getting bogged down in vague terms such as "traditionally," (I don't know how a state can be red when it has a Democratic governor, senator, and presidential preference) let's look at what the states actually are on the electoral map:

North Carolina is blue.
Nevada is blue.
Colorado is blue.
Florida is blue.

4/10 of the fastest growing states are blue. More or less even money, not much to make an argument off of.

Before you respond to anything I just said, though, don't. A better point is that your argument is based off of percentage growth rates which is going to favor sparsely populated states, which Republicans tend to dominate. Don't tell me people are more inclined to move to Idaho than Washington state. The real count should be based off of hard numbers--how many people are moving into blue states, how many are moving out?

Well I think before that, someone should make some effort to show that how blue or red a state is influences how many people want to move there.
 

Farang

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Good point, Rainsford. I think there is a way we can address that. If we start with the assumption that a Democrat would want his or her state to be blue, and a Republican red, then we can take CNN's party identification poll taken during the 2008 election and see that 39% want blue, 32% want red, and 29% say it depends (independents).
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: Farang
Good point, Rainsford. I think there is a way we can address that. If we start with the assumption that a Democrat would want his or her state to be blue, and a Republican red, then we can take CNN's party identification poll taken during the 2008 election and see that 39% want blue, 32% want red, and 29% say it depends (independents).

And then of course we have to factor in the fact that "red" and "blue" state is kind of a misnomer, since a large percentage of the people who live in a state actually DON'T share that political affiliation. For example, Texas might be a red state, but nearly 45% of the people living there voted for Obama. If ProfJohn is making the argument that people want to move to Texas, who's to say that it's not because of the 45% of the people who voted blue instead of the 55% who voted red?
 

bozack

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MA is having issues of its own...they are now considering a gas tax hike as well as raising tolls on the Pike, and it is pretty much guaranteed that property taxes will be on the move again next year.
 

glenn1

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Originally posted by: winnar111

The bottom just fell out of the state budget.

A new state forecast released this morning estimates tax revenues will drop an additional $1.9 billion below projections.

If that number holds true, state lawmakers could face about a $5 billion shortfall when they meet in January to put together a new two-year budget. That's up from a $3.2 billion gap projected in September.

"This is as bad as I've ever seen it," said Victor Moore, the governor's budget director.

Excellent. And as a bonus, New York State is sucking wind also. Let them spend themselves into oblivion, and suck their citizens dry with raised taxes.
 

Jiggz

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Originally posted by: Deeko
Originally posted by: James Bond

No fucking shit. I don't know how she got re-elected.... I live in the city, and literally everyone I know was voting for Rossi (R). I was thrilled to see Obama get elected, but really, really disappointed when I saw that Gregoire pulled it off... again.

How do shitty politicians get re-elected? Do people really just vote blindly term after term, and pay no attention to what happened previously?

A) Rossi ran a terrible campaign. His commercials made me want to vote for Gregoire. Groups that supported him ran 529 ads that made me want to vote for Gregoire. All in all...his campaign sucked.

B) It was very easy for democrats to run on the "he's another George Bush Republican" platform

I watched some of their debates, and Rossi definitely seemed more poised and better in control of the issues - he got beat by the campaign process.

I live in the city and voted for Dino also. You guys always blame it on a "terrible campaign" instead of doing your own assignment and voting for the right person. Rossi actually mentioned the $3.2B deficit that CG was running into in spite of CG denying it and saying the State has surplus.

But after seeing TV commercials about penis extensions, penis enlarging pills, breast enlarging pills and pills that actually make you look young, I finally understand why Americans vote the way they do! The majority of us are just plain stoop!
 

Jiggz

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Originally posted by: ChunkiMunki
wouldn't there still be a budget crisis if Rossi had won?

Do you even have a clue! Go do some reading dude! You're an embarrassment to society if you do not read before you post!
 

Jiggz

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Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: winnar111

And they just re-elected their governor.....seems like these people aren't too bright.

How can you lay fault for the state's fiscal shortfall on the governor or the voters of Washington when the same problems are happening nation wide? If you want to lay some blame, try putting it where it belongs, on your Traitor In Chief and his criminal cabal who squandered the lives of 4,201 American troops (as of today) and trillions of dollars in current and future debt and doubled their horrific inpact on the economy by deregulating their wealthy Wall Street robber barron contribuors and abandoning any remaining oversight over the financial mess.

We're finally about to dump them, but the damage they've done to this nation, ethically, morally and financially will be a burden on our great great grandchildren long after we're gone from this planet.

You were stupid enough to pimp them for the last eight years and his McShameful wannabe clone and the his brain dead wannabe running mate to follow, and you're stupid enough to pimp nothing but bigotry in the Prop 8 threads. In other words, given the choice of being one of the good guys or being an intellectual, political, moral or ethical turd, you've been, and you continue to be, on the wrong side of every issue. You're hardly the sharpest crayon in the box, let alone qualified to comment about anyone else's intellectual abilities. :thumbsdown:

For the meantime, I'll give you a break for this finger pointing but after Jan 24, 2008, you're basically on your own. You can only point that stupid finger of yours for so long and eventually it'll point back to you!
 

Jiggz

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Originally posted by: wwswimming
is there state income tax in Washington ?

Not yet, but CG is already laying the ground work for it! Oh yaah! Can't wait to pay my state income tax for a socialist state and future socialist country! It's time to double my work effort to support all these bums, dogs, fish, forest and animals!
 

alphatarget1

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Originally posted by: winnar111
Originally posted by: Deeko

So go ahead, pull some partisan BS out of your ass, but Washington is a blue state that tries to act like a red state, so per your own logic, the ways of the red states are failing in WA. I don't look at it that way - just responding to your asinine title.

Given how great Texas is doing thanks to Bush and Perry, looks like they aren't trying properly! :laugh:

ehh, Governorship in Texas is a very weak position.

Coming from CA though, I have to say that it seems that the TX state gov't run the state well. Budget surplus, good roads, etc. I'd like them to think a little bit more ahead in transportation planning but it's Texas...
 

Deeko

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Originally posted by: Jiggz
Originally posted by: Deeko
Originally posted by: James Bond

No fucking shit. I don't know how she got re-elected.... I live in the city, and literally everyone I know was voting for Rossi (R). I was thrilled to see Obama get elected, but really, really disappointed when I saw that Gregoire pulled it off... again.

How do shitty politicians get re-elected? Do people really just vote blindly term after term, and pay no attention to what happened previously?

A) Rossi ran a terrible campaign. His commercials made me want to vote for Gregoire. Groups that supported him ran 529 ads that made me want to vote for Gregoire. All in all...his campaign sucked.

B) It was very easy for democrats to run on the "he's another George Bush Republican" platform

I watched some of their debates, and Rossi definitely seemed more poised and better in control of the issues - he got beat by the campaign process.

I live in the city and voted for Dino also. You guys always blame it on a "terrible campaign" instead of doing your own assignment and voting for the right person. Rossi actually mentioned the $3.2B deficit that CG was running into in spite of CG denying it and saying the State has surplus.

But after seeing TV commercials about penis extensions, penis enlarging pills, breast enlarging pills and pills that actually make you look young, I finally understand why Americans vote the way they do! The majority of us are just plain stoop!

What in the hell are you talking about? "my own assignment"? I watched the debates. I voted for Rossi. I'm one of the most educated voters you'll find. Dude, his campaign was awful, and supporting groups that ran ads on his behalf were even worse. Plain and simple. Rossi lost the election, Gregoire didn't win it.