Another bad pitbull ruining it for others...

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: phreaqe
you know, the pit bull defenders will get in here saying its not the dog and blah blah blah. the thing is. i dont think i have ever hear of a lab attack or beagle attack or whatever. as much as i love dogs i dislike more and more the idea of people owning pitbulls.

I believe dachtsunds are known to be the most aggressive breed....

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: Barfo

Originally posted by: Josh
These dogs were NOT bred to attack humans, in fact they were bred to love and adore humans.

Really?

yes, actually.

In the early days of sanctioned dog fighting, any animal that exhibited human aggression was put down. This was quite successful, actually, and are by-and-large the least aggressive breed towards humans (based on rigorous breeding of bull terrier)

Now, the idiots of the last 2 or so decades that train these dogs to be aggressive are a different story. I think it's fair to say that the vast majority of pit bull terriers are naturally non-aggressive towards humans, though many are raised to be otherwise.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: surfsatwerk

Originally posted by: lxskllr

Originally posted by: ryan256

Originally posted by: Regs
I don't like pit bulls either. They're aggressive and for a reason. It takes a certain degree of responsibility owning such a aggressive dog, but it's not like we're screening owners. If they can't be domesticated why have them at all?

The can be domesticated. I have a friend who owns a pit bull that is a huge teddy bear. She raised him correctly and responsibly. That said if this were me I'd have a can of mace or something ready should that dog attack a 3rd time.

Lions can be domesticated too....

Keeping a lion as a pet does not mean they're domesticated. That is why keeping animals like wolves and big cats is illegal without a permit in most states.

Technically, the house cat has never been fully domesticated. No cat can ever really be domesticated; certainly not to the degree that dogs have been.

bunch of selfish bastards, they are.

 

[T9D]

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[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: dabuddha

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: phreaqe
you know, the pit bull defenders will get in here saying its not the dog and blah blah blah. the thing is. i dont think i have ever hear of a lab attack or beagle attack or whatever. as much as i love dogs i dislike more and more the idea of people owning pitbulls.

http://www.kptv.com/news/14920969/detail.html

Just sayin'.

Look at the percentages. I'm too lazy to look it up nor do I really care cause what we say here won't really have any effect but I can almost guarantee (almost!) that theres a higher percentage of pitbulls that attack people than any other breed.

sigh...time to repost the article, yet again...

READ

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: dabuddha

Originally posted by: surfsatwerk

Originally posted by: dabuddha

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: phreaqe
you know, the pit bull defenders will get in here saying its not the dog and blah blah blah. the thing is. i dont think i have ever hear of a lab attack or beagle attack or whatever. as much as i love dogs i dislike more and more the idea of people owning pitbulls.

http://www.kptv.com/news/14920969/detail.html

Just sayin'.

Look at the percentages. I'm too lazy to look it up nor do I really care cause what we say here won't really have any effect but I can almost guarantee (almost!) that theres a higher percentage of pitbulls that attack people than any other breed.

Guns kill people, ban all guns.

Would be relevant if we were talking about guns But since this is about dogs, your comment is about as relevant as saying hurricanes kill people, ban all hurricanes.

the point is that banning a breed is completely asinine, and ignores the issue entirely. Not only that, but what the hell would you ban? Can you actual define a pit bull? There are some 30-50 or so breeds commonly referred to as "pit bull."

 

[Baked]

Dogs that are sweetest and adorable to their owners may be the most aggressive and vicious toward strangers. Chicken dogs are easy to handle 'cause all they do is bark like crazy, but if you got one of those fighting breed dogs coming at you, they can be deadly to elders and children. Report aggressive dogs to animal control.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: lxskllr

Originally posted by: dabuddha

How about a compromise? Since pitbull (and other dangerous dog) owners say it's the people who raise them, let's say if a pitbull maims anyone, then the owner be put down as well as the dog

I can get behind that :^)

one is again left with the dilemma of defining "pit bull."

this suggestion is nonsense.

 

[dabuddha]

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: lxskllr

Originally posted by: dabuddha

How about a compromise? Since pitbull (and other dangerous dog) owners say it's the people who raise them, let's say if a pitbull maims anyone, then the owner be put down as well as the dog

I can get behind that :^)

one is again left with the dilemma of defining "pit bull."

this suggestion is nonsense.

Ok. How about this, let's make this a law that refers to any dog owner regardless of breed. Would be interesting to see how many pit bull owners end up getting executed

 

[Josh]

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Josh

Originally posted by: bignateyk
Bad owners tend to want to own dogs with a perceived "coolness" factor. If all those same owners owned labs, and raised and treated them the same way, they would turn out pretty bad.

Sure, there are dog breeds that are more naturally protective or aggressive, but it is all about how they are raised. The reason for so many pit attacks is because pit bulls are the favorite dog of stupid owners.

I have been around many pit bulls raised in loving, caring households, and they are just about the most calm, adorable dogs in the world.

:thumbsup: Exactly. You will not find many articles on lab attacks because the people who want an aggressive dog or something of that nature will tend to get a pitbull for the sheer fact of how it is perceived already. I've had 2 pits and ZERO problems with both. I've also been around quite a few and have never been scared at all, in fact, I've found them to be much more loving/accepting of strangers than most little-purse dogs.

If you check out the temperant test that is conducted yearly you will see that the American Pitbull Terrier actually gets higher marks than a lot of breeds --

http://www.atts.org/stats1.html

These dogs were NOT bred to attack humans, in fact they were bred to love and adore humans.

I'm sorry but it always comes down to the fact that it is ALL about the owner...you treat any dog badly it will be aggressive.

Temperament is completely irrelevant compared to the actual bite and fatality statistics. How do you explain that pittbulls and rotweillers are responsible for some 65% of all attacks? All of that is due to bad owner - pittbulls and rotweilers attract bad owners?

Bans are not the best solution though, best would be to tax it since pittbulls are statistically considered a "bad" (regardless whether it's the breed or an owner). That would reduce the number of pitbulls as well as stupid owners, as it increases the cost of ownership.

Also the analogy to guns would only work if legally-owned guns were responsible for majority of fatalities, which isn't the case.

The ATTS has compiled statistics on over 230 breeds since 1977 and tested well over 25,000 dogs. The testing is designed to measure different aspects of a dog?s temperament such as stability, shyness, aggressiveness, friendliness, and protective instinct. The test simulates a casual walk through a neighborhood or park. The dog is put on a six-foot leash, and does not receive any verbal commands or corrections from the handler. Unprovoked aggression, panic without recovery, and strong avoidance all result in failure. APBT?s have out-scored the Beagle, Bichon Frise, Border Collie, Cocker Spaniel, Collie, Dachshund, Dalmatian, English Bulldog, Jack Russell Terrier, Lhasa Apso, Miniature Poodle, Pomeranian, Samoyed, and many more with a passing rate of 84%. This is no statistical anomaly. Carl Herkstroeter, the president of the ATTS, says of Pit Bulls:

?We have tested somewhere around a thousand, and I?ve personally tested half of them. I?ve had to disqualify one Pit Bull because of aggressive tenancies. They have done extremely well. They have a good temperament. They are very good with children.? Herkstroeter goes on to say, ?The ones that the legislation is geared toward have aggressive tenancies that are either bred in by the breeder, trained in by the trainer, or reinforced in by the owner.?

Randall Lockwood, a senior vice-president of the ASPCA, and one of the countries leading dog bite experts, agrees. He?s been quoted as saying: ? I?ve seen virtually every breed involved in fatalities, including Pomeranians and everything else.

When I first started looking at fatal dog attacks, they largely involved dogs like German Shepherds and Saint Bernard?s- which is probably why Stephen King chose to make Cujo a Saint Bernard, not a Pit Bull. I haven?t seen a fatality involving a Doberman for decades, whereas in the 1970's they were quite common. If you wanted a mean dog back then, you got a Doberman. I don?t think I even saw my first Pit Bull case until the middle to late 1980's, and I didn?t start seeing Rottweilers until I?d already looked at a few hundred fatal dog attacks. Now these dogs make up the preponderance of fatalities. The point is that it changes over time. It?s a reflection of what the dog of choice is among people who want to own an aggressive dog.?

 

[surfsatwerk]

Originally posted by: v1001
F pitbulls. They should kill em all. Worthless dogs. Doesn't matter how "loving" you think yours is. They can and do snap at a moments notice for no reason.

Please don't ever try to care for a pet other than fish.

 

[zerocool84]

Which Dog Breeds are the Most Aggressive?

Here's a look at the various dog breeds that are considered potentially aggressive.

Chow Chows are one-person dogs that tend to bite without any warning. They are also a bit ferocious around strangers, and can be quite a tenacious fighter. So make sure to discipline this dog and set right from wrong, immediately.

The Papillon is fiercely loyal of their owners - to a fault. They can be quite possessive and standoffish to strangers.

Old English Sheepdogs are very protective of their owners so they might be aggressive if anybody tends to be too close to its owners.

Llasa Apso often gets cranky around kids.

Rottweilers are extremely protective of their masters.
Chihuahuas aren't too fond of kids. They'd rather be with adults than play around with tots.

Toy Poodles bite people and other animals out of self defense. Unfortunately, 'playing' according to you may be perceived as a form of 'attack' to them.

Dachshunds aren't known for their patience.

Jack Russell Terriers are feisty creatures who require early training to prevent long-term biting and digging problems.

Giant Schnauzers are very dominant. They often challenge adults, particularly strangers.

Cocker Spaniels often suffer from a dangerous genetic disease known as "rage syndrome." This syndrome causes spontaneous violent action against not strangers, but actual family members. Many Spaniels have been put down because of this unwanted behavior. Check with the breeder to ensure your Spaniel is free from this dangerous dog disease.

The Pekingese isn't all that tolerant of strangers.

Miniature Pinschers usually have aggression issues because they've got this "big dog-little body" mind set going on.

Here's a rundown of breeds that are typically gentle but can't shake off their "bad dog" image.

Boxers are pretty good with kids. They are good watchdogs, but will only become aggressive

Bulldogs are very playful and gentle.

Great Danes, while considerable in size, happen to be kind and affectionate.

Mastiffs are especially quiet and docile.

German Shepherds are great with kids too. These are courageous, fiercely loyal dogs who, if trained properly, will be extremely gentle to family and guests.

Rottweilers are also capable of tenderness and affection. They have a bad rep, but if they trust you, you'll never have to worry.

99% of dog behavior problems are the owner not the dog

 

[dabuddha]

Originally posted by: zerocool84
Which Dog Breeds are the Most Aggressive?

Here's a look at the various dog breeds that are considered potentially aggressive.

Chow Chows are one-person dogs that tend to bite without any warning. They are also a bit ferocious around strangers, and can be quite a tenacious fighter. So make sure to discipline this dog and set right from wrong, immediately.

The Papillon is fiercely loyal of their owners - to a fault. They can be quite possessive and standoffish to strangers.

Old English Sheepdogs are very protective of their owners so they might be aggressive if anybody tends to be too close to its owners.

Llasa Apso often gets cranky around kids.

Rottweilers are extremely protective of their masters.
Chihuahuas aren't too fond of kids. They'd rather be with adults than play around with tots.

Toy Poodles bite people and other animals out of self defense. Unfortunately, 'playing' according to you may be perceived as a form of 'attack' to them.

Dachshunds aren't known for their patience.

Jack Russell Terriers are feisty creatures who require early training to prevent long-term biting and digging problems.

Giant Schnauzers are very dominant. They often challenge adults, particularly strangers.

Cocker Spaniels often suffer from a dangerous genetic disease known as "rage syndrome." This syndrome causes spontaneous violent action against not strangers, but actual family members. Many Spaniels have been put down because of this unwanted behavior. Check with the breeder to ensure your Spaniel is free from this dangerous dog disease.

The Pekingese isn't all that tolerant of strangers.

Miniature Pinschers usually have aggression issues because they've got this "big dog-little body" mind set going on.

Here's a rundown of breeds that are typically gentle but can't shake off their "bad dog" image.

Boxers are pretty good with kids. They are good watchdogs, but will only become aggressive

Bulldogs are very playful and gentle.

Great Danes, while considerable in size, happen to be kind and affectionate.

Mastiffs are especially quiet and docile.

German Shepherds are great with kids too. These are courageous, fiercely loyal dogs who, if trained properly, will be extremely gentle to family and guests.

Rottweilers are also capable of tenderness and affection. They have a bad rep, but if they trust you, you'll never have to worry.

99% of dog behavior problems are the owner not the dog

Partially agreed (on it being only the result of the owner's raising). Which brings us back to my suggestion, your dog mauls anyone, put down the dog as well as the owner. Since pitbull owners are so confident that theirs would never hurt a fly, they should be fine with this.

 

[krylon]

Originally posted by: BW86
thats exactly how I feel with my pit.

EDIT:

here are two pics

Text
Text - with my sister

More pics of the sister?

 

[zerocool84]

Originally posted by: dabuddha

Originally posted by: zerocool84
Which Dog Breeds are the Most Aggressive?

Here's a look at the various dog breeds that are considered potentially aggressive.

Chow Chows are one-person dogs that tend to bite without any warning. They are also a bit ferocious around strangers, and can be quite a tenacious fighter. So make sure to discipline this dog and set right from wrong, immediately.

The Papillon is fiercely loyal of their owners - to a fault. They can be quite possessive and standoffish to strangers.

Old English Sheepdogs are very protective of their owners so they might be aggressive if anybody tends to be too close to its owners.

Llasa Apso often gets cranky around kids.

Rottweilers are extremely protective of their masters.
Chihuahuas aren't too fond of kids. They'd rather be with adults than play around with tots.

Toy Poodles bite people and other animals out of self defense. Unfortunately, 'playing' according to you may be perceived as a form of 'attack' to them.

Dachshunds aren't known for their patience.

Jack Russell Terriers are feisty creatures who require early training to prevent long-term biting and digging problems.

Giant Schnauzers are very dominant. They often challenge adults, particularly strangers.

Cocker Spaniels often suffer from a dangerous genetic disease known as "rage syndrome." This syndrome causes spontaneous violent action against not strangers, but actual family members. Many Spaniels have been put down because of this unwanted behavior. Check with the breeder to ensure your Spaniel is free from this dangerous dog disease.

The Pekingese isn't all that tolerant of strangers.

Miniature Pinschers usually have aggression issues because they've got this "big dog-little body" mind set going on.

Here's a rundown of breeds that are typically gentle but can't shake off their "bad dog" image.

Boxers are pretty good with kids. They are good watchdogs, but will only become aggressive

Bulldogs are very playful and gentle.

Great Danes, while considerable in size, happen to be kind and affectionate.

Mastiffs are especially quiet and docile.

German Shepherds are great with kids too. These are courageous, fiercely loyal dogs who, if trained properly, will be extremely gentle to family and guests.

Rottweilers are also capable of tenderness and affection. They have a bad rep, but if they trust you, you'll never have to worry.

99% of dog behavior problems are the owner not the dog

Partially agreed (on it being only the result of the owner's raising). Which brings us back to my suggestion, your dog mauls anyone, put down the dog as well as the owner. Since pitbull owners are so confident that theirs would never hurt a fly, they should be fine with this.

Yea I'm all for it. Put down the owners too. I had a pit as well. People need to realize that pits and other high energy dogs need to be walked daily to get out all that excess energy.

 

[IGBT]

pitbulls are cash cows and litigation hazards for the owners. they lead the charge in dog bite litigation. find out who owns it get a lawyer and get paid.

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: zerocool84
Which Dog Breeds are the Most Aggressive?

Here's a look at the various dog breeds that are considered potentially aggressive.

Chow Chows are one-person dogs that tend to bite without any warning. They are also a bit ferocious around strangers, and can be quite a tenacious fighter. So make sure to discipline this dog and set right from wrong, immediately.

The Papillon is fiercely loyal of their owners - to a fault. They can be quite possessive and standoffish to strangers.

Old English Sheepdogs are very protective of their owners so they might be aggressive if anybody tends to be too close to its owners.

Llasa Apso often gets cranky around kids.

Rottweilers are extremely protective of their masters.
Chihuahuas aren't too fond of kids. They'd rather be with adults than play around with tots.

Toy Poodles bite people and other animals out of self defense. Unfortunately, 'playing' according to you may be perceived as a form of 'attack' to them.

Dachshunds aren't known for their patience.

Jack Russell Terriers are feisty creatures who require early training to prevent long-term biting and digging problems.

Giant Schnauzers are very dominant. They often challenge adults, particularly strangers.

Cocker Spaniels often suffer from a dangerous genetic disease known as "rage syndrome." This syndrome causes spontaneous violent action against not strangers, but actual family members. Many Spaniels have been put down because of this unwanted behavior. Check with the breeder to ensure your Spaniel is free from this dangerous dog disease.

The Pekingese isn't all that tolerant of strangers.

Miniature Pinschers usually have aggression issues because they've got this "big dog-little body" mind set going on.

Here's a rundown of breeds that are typically gentle but can't shake off their "bad dog" image.

Boxers are pretty good with kids. They are good watchdogs, but will only become aggressive

Bulldogs are very playful and gentle.

Great Danes, while considerable in size, happen to be kind and affectionate.

Mastiffs are especially quiet and docile.

German Shepherds are great with kids too. These are courageous, fiercely loyal dogs who, if trained properly, will be extremely gentle to family and guests.

Rottweilers are also capable of tenderness and affection. They have a bad rep, but if they trust you, you'll never have to worry.

99% of dog behavior problems are the owner not the dog

Wow, a rather accurate post about dogs - not just pitbulls, but many other breeds are aggressive. We just got a miniature pinscher, and it's rather true - big dog, little body.

However, unlike pitbulls, if one of most of these dogs attacks you, you can punt it into next week. Not so with a pitbull. For the sake of extreme analogy, imagine if people kept all sorts of cats as house pets, ranging from Siamese to cheetahs to leopards & tigers. Even if siamese cats were 10 times more prone to attack their owners, the outcome of just one tiger attack is far worse. Likewise, llaso apso vs. pitbull.

 

[StageLeft]

I called the police again, but there is nothing they can do without blood drawn (I could sue civilly but what would thac accomplish)...

Ridiculous.

You should start carrying a fvcking bat, bash that piece of sh*t's skull in next time it attacks you. Then sue its owners.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: Barfo
The owners are clearly at fault for this, but it's not like you hear about labs attacking people in the news all the time so ban the breed already.

Hi troll.

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: DrPizza

However, unlike pitbulls, if one of most of these dogs attacks you, you can punt it into next week. Not so with a pitbull. For the sake of extreme analogy, imagine if people kept all sorts of cats as house pets, ranging from Siamese to cheetahs to leopards & tigers. Even if siamese cats were 10 times more prone to attack their owners, the outcome of just one tiger attack is far worse. Likewise, llaso apso vs. pitbull.

This is kind of what I told my wife when she said she wanted to get a dog but didn't know what kind to get. She said she wanted either a pit or a Jack Russel. I told her if the JR attacked our son, he might have to get stitches ... if the pit attacked our son, he'd probably lose a limb or his life.

 

[Gothgar]

I loved my Pit, great dog, super great with my daughter