Another bad pitbull ruining it for others...

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: alkemyst
About a week ago a pitbull hopped the 3' fence in it's front yards and began pursuing me and my dog...cross traffic came and gave me a way out. I called the police to report it not so much for chasing as it dodging rush morning traffic now.

Today I was walking down that same block and said hi to the guy that lives next door to the bad dogs house. Next thing I know is the pitbull is outside the fence again and attacking mine. The neighbor started beating it with a shirt and told me to run (bad advice)...fortunately a guy in a big pickup swerved onto the swale yelling jump in.

He lived on the block and knew these fuckers, he said they are a bad group with a bad dog. I called the police again, but there is nothing they can do without blood drawn (I could sue civilly but what would thac accomplish)...

There have been several incidents but nothing with an injury that was reported.

Sucks that this dog is the pawn in it all and it's only a matter of time before someone takes it into their own hands.

I plan to just walk up another block before cutting over.

If you own a dog be responsible.

Yikes, some good citizenship out of the truck owner at least.

 

[CoinOperatedBoy]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: alkemyst
About a week ago a pitbull hopped the 3' fence in it's front yards and began pursuing me and my dog...cross traffic came and gave me a way out. I called the police to report it not so much for chasing as it dodging rush morning traffic now.

Today I was walking down that same block and said hi to the guy that lives next door to the bad dogs house. Next thing I know is the pitbull is outside the fence again and attacking mine. The neighbor started beating it with a shirt and told me to run (bad advice)...fortunately a guy in a big pickup swerved onto the swale yelling jump in.

He lived on the block and knew these fuckers, he said they are a bad group with a bad dog. I called the police again, but there is nothing they can do without blood drawn (I could sue civilly but what would thac accomplish)...

There have been several incidents but nothing with an injury that was reported.

Sucks that this dog is the pawn in it all and it's only a matter of time before someone takes it into their own hands.

I plan to just walk up another block before cutting over.

If you own a dog be responsible.

Yikes, some good citizenship out of the truck owner at least.

He thought he was picking up a hooker.

 

[bignateyk]

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Josh

Originally posted by: bignateyk
Bad owners tend to want to own dogs with a perceived "coolness" factor. If all those same owners owned labs, and raised and treated them the same way, they would turn out pretty bad.

Sure, there are dog breeds that are more naturally protective or aggressive, but it is all about how they are raised. The reason for so many pit attacks is because pit bulls are the favorite dog of stupid owners.

I have been around many pit bulls raised in loving, caring households, and they are just about the most calm, adorable dogs in the world.

:thumbsup: Exactly. You will not find many articles on lab attacks because the people who want an aggressive dog or something of that nature will tend to get a pitbull for the sheer fact of how it is perceived already. I've had 2 pits and ZERO problems with both. I've also been around quite a few and have never been scared at all, in fact, I've found them to be much more loving/accepting of strangers than most little-purse dogs.

If you check out the temperant test that is conducted yearly you will see that the American Pitbull Terrier actually gets higher marks than a lot of breeds --

http://www.atts.org/stats1.html

These dogs were NOT bred to attack humans, in fact they were bred to love and adore humans.

I'm sorry but it always comes down to the fact that it is ALL about the owner...you treat any dog badly it will be aggressive.

Temperament is completely irrelevant compared to the actual bite and fatality statistics. How do you explain that pittbulls and rotweillers are responsible for some 65% of all attacks? All of that is due to bad owner - pittbulls and rotweilers attract bad owners?

Bans are not the best solution though, best would be to tax it since pittbulls are statistically considered a "bad" (regardless whether it's the breed or an owner). That would reduce the number of pitbulls as well as stupid owners, as it increases the cost of ownership.

Also the analogy to guns would only work if legally-owned guns were responsible for majority of fatalities, which isn't the case.

Bad and irresponsible owners flock to breeds like the pit bull and rotweiller.

I think if you profiled those dog bites even further, you would notice a trend that most of them came from dogs owned by low income owners. I think they need to make it a requirement of ownership that every dog (not just certain breeds) can pass a standard test. (testing for obedience, aggression toward other animals, etc...)

If your dog can't pass that test, you get fined (or taxed) $$$X / Y months until your dog can pass the test.

 

[soulcougher73]

Time for a poisoned dog bone to be randomly flung into their yard.

Just sayin'

And here's another idiotic post made by someone who should have hit the backspace button a few times instead of enter. -Anandtech Moderator DrPizza

 

[Josh]

Originally posted by: bignateyk

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Josh

Originally posted by: bignateyk
Bad owners tend to want to own dogs with a perceived "coolness" factor. If all those same owners owned labs, and raised and treated them the same way, they would turn out pretty bad.

Sure, there are dog breeds that are more naturally protective or aggressive, but it is all about how they are raised. The reason for so many pit attacks is because pit bulls are the favorite dog of stupid owners.

I have been around many pit bulls raised in loving, caring households, and they are just about the most calm, adorable dogs in the world.

:thumbsup: Exactly. You will not find many articles on lab attacks because the people who want an aggressive dog or something of that nature will tend to get a pitbull for the sheer fact of how it is perceived already. I've had 2 pits and ZERO problems with both. I've also been around quite a few and have never been scared at all, in fact, I've found them to be much more loving/accepting of strangers than most little-purse dogs.

If you check out the temperant test that is conducted yearly you will see that the American Pitbull Terrier actually gets higher marks than a lot of breeds --

http://www.atts.org/stats1.html

These dogs were NOT bred to attack humans, in fact they were bred to love and adore humans.

I'm sorry but it always comes down to the fact that it is ALL about the owner...you treat any dog badly it will be aggressive.

Temperament is completely irrelevant compared to the actual bite and fatality statistics. How do you explain that pittbulls and rotweillers are responsible for some 65% of all attacks? All of that is due to bad owner - pittbulls and rotweilers attract bad owners?

Bans are not the best solution though, best would be to tax it since pittbulls are statistically considered a "bad" (regardless whether it's the breed or an owner). That would reduce the number of pitbulls as well as stupid owners, as it increases the cost of ownership.

Also the analogy to guns would only work if legally-owned guns were responsible for majority of fatalities, which isn't the case.

Bad and irresponsible owners flock to breeds like the pit bull and rotweiller.

I think if you profiled those dog bites even further, you would notice a trend that most of them came from dogs owned by low income owners. I think they need to make it a requirement of ownership that every dog (not just certain breeds) can pass a standard test. (testing for obedience, aggression toward other animals, etc...)

If your dog can't pass that test, you get fined (or taxed) $$$X / Y months until your dog can pass the test.

I'm gonna agree here. While you can probably find a pitbull for anywhere from free to a few hundred bucks, you most likely are not going to find a golden retriever, lab retriever, german shepard, etc for cheap/free.

You have low income families taking these pitbulls in without being able to care for them properly - not being fed regularly, not being given love and affection regularly (you see these dogs outside most of the day/night tied to a tree), and not neutered or spayed. Which means, a lot of the people taking these dogs in also are breeding them in TERRIBLE conditions in hopes to make money off the current trend of these dogs being "cool", "gangster", "tough," whatever. Most pitbull breeding operations I'd have to say are BYB (backyard breeders). BYB's aren't going to check the legitamacy of a potential pet owner and will sell puppies to anyone with cash and thus the trend will continue of unfit owners taking these dogs in and breeding them and selling them to more unfit owners.

There's so many different factors invovled here that it's not fair to just label the breed as being aggressive. ANY dog can attack. Throughout the history of dog ownership there have been numerous breeds that have been persecuted as being aggressive dogs, pitbulls are the current scapegoat. The fact of the matter is people are prejudice toward this breed when they should be looking more deeply at who owns these dogs and how they care for them. If anything, regulations/laws should be set up for punishing irresponsible owners of these dogs to make both the people and the dogs themselves safer.

I'm not saying it's never happened - but I'd like to see some articles of an attack that has occured in a middle-class/upscale neighborhood by a pitbull that was being CARED for by a family.

 

[hanoverphist]

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: phreaqe
you know, the pit bull defenders will get in here saying its not the dog and blah blah blah. the thing is. i dont think i have ever hear of a lab attack or beagle attack or whatever. as much as i love dogs i dislike more and more the idea of people owning pitbulls.

http://www.kptv.com/news/14920969/detail.html

Just sayin'.

when i used to deliver i got attacked by a basset hound. tore a hole in my leg before i kicked it into unconsciousness.


ive seen some very nice pits bulls, but i still dont trust the breed. the trouble ones all seemed to be trained by idiots or they were old.

 

[Turin39789]

Originally posted by: Josh

I'm gonna agree here. While you can probably find a pitbull for anywhere from free to a few hundred bucks, you most likely are not going to find a golden retriever, lab retriever, german shepard, etc for cheap/free.

You have low income families taking these pitbulls in without being able to care for them properly - not being fed regularly, not being given love and affection regularly (outside a good amount of time tied to a tree), and not neutered or spayed. I'm not saying it's never happened - but I'd like to see some articles of an attack that has occured in a middle-class/upscale neighborhood by a pitbull that was being CARED for by a family.[/quote]


you can get a lab all day long at the pound

 

[surfsatwerk]

Originally posted by: hanoverphist

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: phreaqe
you know, the pit bull defenders will get in here saying its not the dog and blah blah blah. the thing is. i dont think i have ever hear of a lab attack or beagle attack or whatever. as much as i love dogs i dislike more and more the idea of people owning pitbulls.

http://www.kptv.com/news/14920969/detail.html

Just sayin'.

when i used to deliver i got attacked by a basset hound. tore a hole in my leg before i kicked it into unconsciousness.


ive seen some very nice pits bulls, but i still dont trust the breed. the trouble ones all seemed to be trained by idiots or they were old.

I've never been bitten by a dog that weighs more than 15 or 20lbs. I take my large German Shepard / Rot mix running with me several times a week. Almost every single time we pass by a smaller breed they are completely out of control, snarling and barking, with the owner trying to baby talk their dog into calming down.

Stupid people shouldn't be allowed to own a dog of any size.

 

[bignateyk]

Originally posted by: Turin39789

Originally posted by: Josh



I'm gonna agree here. While you can probably find a pitbull for anywhere from free to a few hundred bucks, you most likely are not going to find a golden retriever, lab retriever, german shepard, etc for cheap/free.

You have low income families taking these pitbulls in without being able to care for them properly - not being fed regularly, not being given love and affection regularly (outside a good amount of time tied to a tree), and not neutered or spayed. I'm not saying it's never happened - but I'd like to see some articles of an attack that has occured in a middle-class/upscale neighborhood by a pitbull that was being CARED for by a family.

you can get a lab all day long at the pound

yeah, but they don't have the "coolness" appeal that draws trailer trash and hood rats to pit bulls.

 

[Barfo]

Originally posted by: surfsatwerk
What you clowns want is to be insulated from suffering the effects of another person's stupidity. It will never happen. Whether it's a gun, a powerful breed of dog, or a car being driven recklessly people will always abuse the tools they are given.

Why yes, I live in a society and abide by its rules, of course I want people around me to not do things that can potentially fuck up my life. I would like to see that idiot owner fined or in jail but unfortunately it's not going to happen unless the dog mangles a kid.

 

[Damn Dirty Ape]

Seems like where I'm from, all the putbull owners are males in their late teens/early 20's, tatooed all over, shirtless/wife beater, bald/buzz cut and have the dog on a very heavy tow chain almost? sounds like a stereotype but when that's all you see... My wifes nephew fits the above pretty much and I fear for his 3 year old son in the house with them. Like a time bomb it seems.

 

[Josh]

My vicious little guy:

Kingston
Kingston 2

 

[dabuddha]

According to this site:
http://www.dogbitelaw.com/PAGES/statistics.html

The deadliest dogs

Merritt Clifton, editor of Animal People, has conducted an unusually detailed study of dog bites from 1982 to the present. (Clifton, Dog attack deaths and maimings, U.S. & Canada, September 1982 to November 13, 2006; click here to read it.) The Clifton study show the number of serious canine-inflicted injuries by breed. The author's observations about the breeds and generally how to deal with the dangerous dog problem are enlightening.

According to the Clifton study, pit bulls, Rottweilers, Presa Canarios and their mixes are responsible for 74% of attacks that were included in the study, 68% of the attacks upon children, 82% of the attacks upon adults, 65% of the deaths, and 68% of the maimings. In more than two-thirds of the cases included in the study, the life-threatening or fatal attack was apparently the first known dangerous behavior by the animal in question. Clifton states:

If almost any other dog has a bad moment, someone may get bitten, but will not be maimed for life or killed, and the actuarial risk is accordingly reasonable. If a pit bull terrier or a Rottweiler has a bad moment, often someone is maimed or killed--and that has now created off-the-chart actuarial risk, for which the dogs as well as their victims are paying the price.

Clifton's opinions are as interesting as his statistics. For example, he says, "Pit bulls and Rottweilers are accordingly dogs who not only must be handled with special precautions, but also must be regulated with special requirements appropriate to the risk they may pose to the public and other animals, if they are to be kept at all."

Yes I know it's just a website but the study is interesting.

http://www.dogbitelaw.com/Dog%...o%202006%20Clifton.pdf

How about a compromise? Since pitbull (and other dangerous dog) owners say it's the people who raise them, let's say if a pitbull maims anyone, then the owner be put down as well as the dog

 

[hanoverphist]

Originally posted by: surfsatwerk

Originally posted by: dabuddha

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: phreaqe
you know, the pit bull defenders will get in here saying its not the dog and blah blah blah. the thing is. i dont think i have ever hear of a lab attack or beagle attack or whatever. as much as i love dogs i dislike more and more the idea of people owning pitbulls.

http://www.kptv.com/news/14920969/detail.html

Just sayin'.

Look at the percentages. I'm too lazy to look it up nor do I really care cause what we say here won't really have any effect but I can almost guarantee (almost!) that theres a higher percentage of pitbulls that attack people than any other breed.

Guns kill people, ban all guns.

that was stupid. i can leave my gun in my front yard all day and it wont chase someone down and shoot them.

 

[lxskllr]

Originally posted by: Josh
My vicious little guy:

Kingston
Kingston 2

He looks small. Still a puppy?

 

[lxskllr]

Originally posted by: dabuddha

How about a compromise? Since pitbull (and other dangerous dog) owners say it's the people who raise them, let's say if a pitbull maims anyone, then the owner be put down as well as the dog

I can get behind that :^)

 

[surfsatwerk]

Originally posted by: hanoverphist

Originally posted by: surfsatwerk

Originally posted by: dabuddha

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: phreaqe
you know, the pit bull defenders will get in here saying its not the dog and blah blah blah. the thing is. i dont think i have ever hear of a lab attack or beagle attack or whatever. as much as i love dogs i dislike more and more the idea of people owning pitbulls.

http://www.kptv.com/news/14920969/detail.html

Just sayin'.

Look at the percentages. I'm too lazy to look it up nor do I really care cause what we say here won't really have any effect but I can almost guarantee (almost!) that theres a higher percentage of pitbulls that attack people than any other breed.

Guns kill people, ban all guns.

that was stupid. i can leave my gun in my front yard all day and it wont chase someone down and shoot them.

I leave my dog in the yard all day long and he doesn't chase anyone down either. The potential for violence exists in both when mishandled, which was the point I was trying to make. But please ignore the forest for the trees.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Josh
I'm gonna agree here. While you can probably find a pitbull for anywhere from free to a few hundred bucks, you most likely are not going to find a golden retriever, lab retriever, german shepard, etc for cheap/free.

petfinder ftmfw

 

[Josh]

Originally posted by: lxskllr

Originally posted by: Josh
My vicious little guy:

Kingston
Kingston 2

He looks small. Still a puppy?

6 months old...

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: alkemyst
dog bit me a couple times in grazing. He did not want to stop even though I had picked up my dog.

Yeah, that's a big problem. You need to report that dog to animal control immediately before it attacks other dogs and most likely people. It needs to be put down. You should file a civil suit against the owners too, but know you said you didn't want trouble. In the least, call animal control and tell them you were bit, you probably aren't the first. You can only hope that a child isn't walking by at the wrong time.

The problem is without a puncture there is no 'crime' other than a leash law violation.

While a civil suit sounds smart what am I going to accomplish from a person that sits at home all day with no assets/income?

It's unfortunate but this is the same way street lights get put up...so many have to die first before the city authorizes the $100-300k it takes to put in stop lights.

I'd love to take on this battle but at the end of the day the guy just will replace his dog and hold a vendetta against me. Being he is home all day long and only a block away I will not win this in any legal capacity.

I do plan on getting some mace and possibly even a mace/hammer tool.

 

[BW86]

Originally posted by: Josh

Originally posted by: Barfo

Originally posted by: Josh
These dogs were NOT bred to attack humans, in fact they were bred to love and adore humans.

Really?

"Today, a properly bred Pit Bull is so exuberantly happy upon meeting her owner's friends (or even friendly strangers) that new owners sometimes worry that their dog is too sweet and fun-loving to protect their home and family... "

thats exactly how I feel with my pit.

EDIT:

here are two pics

Text
Text - with my sister

 

[dabuddha]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: alkemyst
dog bit me a couple times in grazing. He did not want to stop even though I had picked up my dog.

Yeah, that's a big problem. You need to report that dog to animal control immediately before it attacks other dogs and most likely people. It needs to be put down. You should file a civil suit against the owners too, but know you said you didn't want trouble. In the least, call animal control and tell them you were bit, you probably aren't the first. You can only hope that a child isn't walking by at the wrong time.

The problem is without a puncture there is no 'crime' other than a leash law violation.

While a civil suit sounds smart what am I going to accomplish from a person that sits at home all day with no assets/income?

It's unfortunate but this is the same way street lights get put up...so many have to die first before the city authorizes the $100-300k it takes to put in stop lights.

I'd love to take on this battle but at the end of the day the guy just will replace his dog and hold a vendetta against me. Being he is home all day long and only a block away I will not win this in any legal capacity.

I do plan on getting some mace and possibly even a mace/hammer tool.

You need one of these

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: phreaqe

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: bignateyk
Bad owners tend to want to own dogs with a perceived "coolness" factor. If all those same owners owned labs, and raised and treated them the same way, they would turn out pretty bad.

Sure, there are dog breeds that are more naturally protective or aggressive, but it is all about how they are raised. The reason for so many pit attacks is because pit bulls are the favorite dog of stupid owners.

I have been around many pit bulls raised in loving, caring households, and they are just about the most calm, adorable dogs in the world.

/agreed. I love my pit, he's awesome. But in many cases the best thing to do is put the dog down because once it's human aggressive you don't want to take the chance that it will attack a human again. I think the OP should bring a bat and take it out if it attacks him.

those pitbulls you know may be very calm and adorable, but it seems to me that they are the most easy to snap and become human aggressive. yes alot of stupid owners get them, but i believe that is only part of the problem.

you are really treating it to much as it being the dog. It is not, it is the human.
They are not an easy dog to raise, true. But there are many other hard breeds to raise, i.e. just not a dog for first time dog owners, and yet they don't receive the attention.

Dobermans used to have the spotlight as "bad breed" when all the thugs and drug runners would own that dog, and ruined the day for people who owned dobermans and were responsible owners. Dobies are amazing dogs, extremely intelligent and loving. They can be aggressive the moment you put it in the wrong hands. Rottweilers are the same way. I've actually yet to personally meet an aggressive Rottie.

Shepherds (of all kinds, including Aussies), Labs, and all sorts of Terrier breeds... essentially... all dogs are capable of aggression if raised improperly.

Most dogs are capable of being an extremely loyal and loving animal who never shows a hint of aggression even when strangers come close. And guess what, all the terriers (which includes pit bulls) are extremely capable of being that loving care-free dog.

Some dogs have different personality too. Our female lab/australian shepherd mix? She would have been the queen bitch of the pack. She desires to have the alpha female role, and is very protective of anything in her sight - a very farm dog style. She requires a lot of persistence in leadership to get her to submit to the concept that she isn't in charge. If we slacked off at our job, she could easily be a dog that attacks strangers if she got out. We still can't be sure she wouldn't, so we take our precautions and take heed to make sure she knows she submits to us and our desire to well, not harm passing strangers.

Essentially, all I am saying is don't hate the breed. That is what gets us in these situations, with the government banning ownership of certain dog breeds because people are idiots.

It was Dobermans, and then Rottweilers, and now its Pit Bulls. They are the cool dog. They are seen as the dog with the aggressive stance, the one that's ready to protect the owner. These owners just want that look, and well... they want the actual aggression matching the look, that, and they are shitty dog owners who can't raise them properly anyhow. You can raise a dog for aggression and still make that dog completely safe to be around for strangers. It's called training them to be aggressive when you command them to be, but that is a VERY difficult thing to do, a lot of owners can't raise dogs that way. I'm pretty sure I probably couldn't until I've owned a few dogs, and I had a dog that was smarter.

If the cool dog was a different breed, that breed would be the one in the papers.
And the media rarely covers any incidents with breeds that aren't the "bad breed" at the time.

 

[Josh]

Originally posted by: BW86

Originally posted by: Josh

Originally posted by: Barfo

Originally posted by: Josh
These dogs were NOT bred to attack humans, in fact they were bred to love and adore humans.

Really?

"Today, a properly bred Pit Bull is so exuberantly happy upon meeting her owner's friends (or even friendly strangers) that new owners sometimes worry that their dog is too sweet and fun-loving to protect their home and family... "

thats exactly how I feel with my pit.

EDIT:

here are two pics

Text
Text - with my sister

Very cute....your dog too

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: alkemyst
dog bit me a couple times in grazing. He did not want to stop even though I had picked up my dog.

Yeah, that's a big problem. You need to report that dog to animal control immediately before it attacks other dogs and most likely people. It needs to be put down. You should file a civil suit against the owners too, but know you said you didn't want trouble. In the least, call animal control and tell them you were bit, you probably aren't the first. You can only hope that a child isn't walking by at the wrong time.

The problem is without a puncture there is no 'crime' other than a leash law violation.

While a civil suit sounds smart what am I going to accomplish from a person that sits at home all day with no assets/income?

It's unfortunate but this is the same way street lights get put up...so many have to die first before the city authorizes the $100-300k it takes to put in stop lights.

I'd love to take on this battle but at the end of the day the guy just will replace his dog and hold a vendetta against me. Being he is home all day long and only a block away I will not win this in any legal capacity.

I do plan on getting some mace and possibly even a mace/hammer tool.

If it bit your dog and there was a puncture, in many areas reporting the problem to animal control means that the owner must end up paying a fine (@ $1500) and getting a "bad dog" license for his dog ($500 yearly fee). Then the dog also must be kept in the house or in a covered compound when outside and animal control checks periodically for compliance. If the owner cannot, or is unwilling, to comply then animal control will take the dog and put it down.

It may not work that way in your area but that's how it is here in Orlando.