Another attempt to help the right understand the change in wealth distribution

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Vic
A hired worker is not a slave. He is a free person in business for himself. I have found that those people who understand this simple concept tend to be more financially successful than those who do not. You have to decide I guess whether you want opportunity or you want security.

We are all slaves to a system of private property where it takes money to live. You have to work to live. You have to waste your life earning money.

Why do we not have a system where every child is given a live where he can do whatever is natural for his interests and abilities? Everybody is equal who does what he loves to do.

That's not any system, Moonie, that's nature. Even monkeys starve if they don't gather enough fruits and nuts for themselves to eat. I'm sure that they too would rather spend their lives swinging through the trees rather than wasting it gathering to eat.
In the meantime, we do have that system where a child can do whatever is natural to his interests and abilities. He simply needs to be given the opportunity to do so without nihilists lying to him that he is slave for the same reason that roosters crack eggs.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Dear palehorse, we need to go back and discover how you became such an insufferable ass.

I'm an "ass" for attempting to encourage people to TRY harder, or TRY again?!

so be it.

There comes a point where you can't try any harder and another point where you just don't have the ability to do what needs to be done to start over.

Take my farm, I love farming, but I had to rent it out because I just couldn't physically do it anymore. I guess I could leverage the farm and go out and rent more land, hire all the work done, etc., and just manage it, but all it would take is 1 bad year and I'd have to sell everything I worked all my life for. I worked too hard for it to piss it all down my leg like that.

It isn't that black and white as to just "TRY harder, or TRY again".

The sympathetic portion of my soul (yes, i DO have one) wants to reach out and support you in your suffering; however, the mature and ambitious side of my soul sees your responses as nothing more than a series of excuses...

1) Please read everything you can about Lance Armstrong. You'd be surprised what his story can motivate within your own soul.
2) Nobody gets rich, on their own, without taking some big risks.
3) The most important decisions are made when you are young. In the end, you reap what you sow. (as a farmer, I'm sure you understand that very well). But, that doesn't mean that you cannot tear up the earth and try again!
4) "if at first you don't succeed, try and try again." I think I learned that when I was four years old... The Little Engine That Could comes to mind...
5) I know it's easier to make excuses than it is to make progress or make money, but that, in itself, is no excuse.
6) Are you too old for higher education? Well, that's only possible if you're in a coma. There are thousands of ways to receive a free higher education... find one and go for it!

The Army did wonders for my attitude and ambition... the drive to succeed, and a refusal to quit, is something that they carved deep within my very being. I only wish that our public education system would do the same for every young person who chooses to avoid military service.

1EZduzit - seriously consider returning to school to gain knowledge in an area that will not be hampered by whatever physical problems you may have. (see also: Stephen Hawking).

good luck!

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: johnnobts
Being wealthy is not a crime, and it should not be criminalized.

Why not? If the concentration of wealth in the hands of the few create a situation that leads to revolution and destruction on a vast scale, it is the right of the people to put value in the notion of criminalizing wealth.

Do you really believe that?

Fern

Would you let a mad may run around stabbing people? If, get it, 'If' the concentration of wealth leads to revolution then you have to prevent the concentration of wealth, no? If stabbing people is a crime isn't causing a revolution also one?

You are not thinking when you ask me if I believe that. It's an ineluctably conclusion based on the premise.

What you don't believe is that a concentration of wealth will lead to revolution or even that that is the trajectory we are on. The data seems to disagree with you. On course, instead of revolution we may wind up with eternal human slavery, misery, and oppression.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Vic
A hired worker is not a slave. He is a free person in business for himself. I have found that those people who understand this simple concept tend to be more financially successful than those who do not. You have to decide I guess whether you want opportunity or you want security.

Define where does the boss's authority ends and the individual worker's rights begin?

It's easy to say workers are not slaves, but when you have business owners who fire people because they smoke at home, then where does it all end?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Vic
A hired worker is not a slave. He is a free person in business for himself. I have found that those people who understand this simple concept tend to be more financially successful than those who do not. You have to decide I guess whether you want opportunity or you want security.

Define where does the boss's authority ends and the individual worker's rights begin?

It's easy to say workers are not slaves, but when you have business owners who fire people because they smoke at home, then where does it all end?

Simple. It would end if the business owner didn't have the right to make or break a mutual at-will agreement of employment with the worker, same as if the employee did not have the same right.

Do you not know what slavery is? Obviously not. Or maybe you just wish that you were a slave, because that's what you sound like.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: johnnobts
Being wealthy is not a crime, and it should not be criminalized.

Why not? If the concentration of wealth in the hands of the few create a situation that leads to revolution and destruction on a vast scale, it is the right of the people to put value in the notion of criminalizing wealth.

Do you really believe that?

Fern

Would you let a mad may run around stabbing people? If, get it, 'If' the concentration of wealth leads to revolution then you have to prevent the concentration of wealth, no? If stabbing people is a crime isn't causing a revolution also one?

You are not thinking when you ask me if I believe that. It's an ineluctably conclusion based on the premise.

What you don't believe is that a concentration of wealth will lead to revolution or even that that is the trajectory we are on. The data seems to disagree with you. On course, instead of revolution we may wind up with eternal human slavery, misery, and oppression.

Sounds like you're:

1. for "mob rule".

2. thinking " the peoples greed/jelousy = moral right"

3. in support of "the end justifies the means"

<Shrugs>

Fern

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Dear palehorse, we need to go back and discover how you became such an insufferable ass.

I'm an "ass" for attempting to encourage people to TRY harder, or TRY again?!

so be it.

Is that what you think you've been saying?

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Vic
A hired worker is not a slave. He is a free person in business for himself. I have found that those people who understand this simple concept tend to be more financially successful than those who do not. You have to decide I guess whether you want opportunity or you want security.

We are all slaves to a system of private property where it takes money to live. You have to work to live. You have to waste your life earning money.

Why do we not have a system where every child is given a live where he can do whatever is natural for his interests and abilities? Everybody is equal who does what he loves to do.

That's not any system, Moonie, that's nature. Even monkeys starve if they don't gather enough fruits and nuts for themselves to eat. I'm sure that they too would rather spend their lives swinging through the trees rather than wasting it gathering to eat.
In the meantime, we do have that system where a child can do whatever is natural to his interests and abilities. He simply needs to be given the opportunity to do so without nihilists lying to him that he is slave for the same reason that roosters crack eggs.

A machine intelligence is coming, Vic. What rules will it make.

Have you ever seen a monkey that needed an advanced degree to pick a nut. Have you ever seen a monkey write on a nut, this is private property and belongs to monkey A but not B? Have you ever seen millions of monkeys dying while some monkeys have millions of nuts? Competition is hate. Try to understand that. Competition is hate. It is not the god of efficiency it is pure unadulterated hate. This world we have created is built on survival of the sickest.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: johnnobts
Being wealthy is not a crime, and it should not be criminalized.

Why not? If the concentration of wealth in the hands of the few create a situation that leads to revolution and destruction on a vast scale, it is the right of the people to put value in the notion of criminalizing wealth.

Do you really believe that?

Fern

Would you let a mad may run around stabbing people? If, get it, 'If' the concentration of wealth leads to revolution then you have to prevent the concentration of wealth, no? If stabbing people is a crime isn't causing a revolution also one?

You are not thinking when you ask me if I believe that. It's an ineluctably conclusion based on the premise.

What you don't believe is that a concentration of wealth will lead to revolution or even that that is the trajectory we are on. The data seems to disagree with you. On course, instead of revolution we may wind up with eternal human slavery, misery, and oppression.

Sounds like you're:

1. for "mob rule".

2. thinking " the peoples greed/jelousy = moral right"

3. in support of "the end justifies the means"

<Shrugs>

Fern

Don't tell me what I sound like. I sound like what you can hear. What you hear is yourself projected onto me.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Vic
A hired worker is not a slave. He is a free person in business for himself. I have found that those people who understand this simple concept tend to be more financially successful than those who do not. You have to decide I guess whether you want opportunity or you want security.

We are all slaves to a system of private property where it takes money to live. You have to work to live. You have to waste your life earning money.

Why do we not have a system where every child is given a live where he can do whatever is natural for his interests and abilities? Everybody is equal who does what he loves to do.

That's not any system, Moonie, that's nature. Even monkeys starve if they don't gather enough fruits and nuts for themselves to eat. I'm sure that they too would rather spend their lives swinging through the trees rather than wasting it gathering to eat.
In the meantime, we do have that system where a child can do whatever is natural to his interests and abilities. He simply needs to be given the opportunity to do so without nihilists lying to him that he is slave for the same reason that roosters crack eggs.

A machine intelligence is coming, Vic. What rules will it make.

Have you ever seen a monkey that needed an advanced degree to pick a nut. Have you ever seen a monkey write on a nut, this is private property and belongs to monkey A but not B? Have you ever seen millions of monkeys dying while some monkeys have millions of nuts? Competition is hate. Try to understand that. Competition is hate. It is not the god of efficiency it is pure unadulterated hate. This world we have created is built on survival of the sickest.

Ridiculous. Pull your idealistic head out of your ass. Monkeys are some of the meanest, nastiest creatures on this earth. Half of all male chimpanzees are murdered by their own kind. As for hate... hate is jealousy. Hate is forcing people to be less than what they could be simply because you don't can't stomach the possibility that they might become more than you. Naturally, you see competition in that. I see creativity. Does your God not allow that?

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Vic
A hired worker is not a slave. He is a free person in business for himself. I have found that those people who understand this simple concept tend to be more financially successful than those who do not. You have to decide I guess whether you want opportunity or you want security.

Define where does the boss's authority ends and the individual worker's rights begin?

It's easy to say workers are not slaves, but when you have business owners who fire people because they smoke at home, then where does it all end?

Simple. It would end if the business owner didn't have the right to make or break a mutual at-will agreement of employment with the worker, same as if the employee did not have the same right.

Do you not know what slavery is? Obviously not. Or maybe you just wish that you were a slave, because that's what you sound like.

At-will employment laws are a complete sham, because they do not create an equal footing, rather they place power direcly in the hands of the employer. The cost of replacing an average employee is nothing compared to the cost of having to find a new job. But, by the time you're important enough to swing this equation around, you will be under some sort of contract preventing you from doing so, signed under the duress of 'otherwise, no promotion'.

Employees and renters deserve protection from 'at-will' BS, just like service providers are justified in having contracts and notice-requirements from their customers (eg cell-phone companies).

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Dear palehorse, we need to go back and discover how you became such an insufferable ass.

I'm an "ass" for attempting to encourage people to TRY harder, or TRY again?!

so be it.

Is that what you think you've been saying?

Actually, that is exactly what I've been saying... I'll repeat my last post for you. Try reading it this time:

1) Please read everything you can about Lance Armstrong. You'd be surprised what his story can motivate within your own soul.
2) Nobody gets rich, on their own, without taking some big risks.
3) The most important decisions are made when you are young. In the end, you reap what you sow. (as a farmer, I'm sure you understand that very well). But, that doesn't mean that you cannot tear up the earth and try again!
4) "if at first you don't succeed, try and try again." I think I learned that when I was four years old... The Little Engine That Could comes to mind...
5) I know it's easier to make excuses than it is to make progress or make money, but that, in itself, is no excuse.
6) Are you too old for higher education? Well, that's only possible if you're in a coma. There are thousands of ways to receive a free higher education... find one and go for it!

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: johnnobts
Being wealthy is not a crime, and it should not be criminalized.

Why not? If the concentration of wealth in the hands of the few create a situation that leads to revolution and destruction on a vast scale, it is the right of the people to put value in the notion of criminalizing wealth.

Do you really believe that?

Fern

Would you let a mad may run around stabbing people? If, get it, 'If' the concentration of wealth leads to revolution then you have to prevent the concentration of wealth, no? If stabbing people is a crime isn't causing a revolution also one?

You are not thinking when you ask me if I believe that. It's an ineluctably conclusion based on the premise.

What you don't believe is that a concentration of wealth will lead to revolution or even that that is the trajectory we are on. The data seems to disagree with you. On course, instead of revolution we may wind up with eternal human slavery, misery, and oppression.

Sounds like you're:

1. for "mob rule".

2. thinking " the peoples greed/jelousy = moral right"

3. in support of "the end justifies the means"

<Shrugs>

Fern

Don't tell me what I sound like. I sound like what you can hear. What you hear is yourself projected onto me.

Why? It's often helpful.

I can only read what you write.

If there's any indication your audience mis-understands, there's an indication you haven't written (articulated) you thoughts very well.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Vic
A hired worker is not a slave. He is a free person in business for himself. I have found that those people who understand this simple concept tend to be more financially successful than those who do not. You have to decide I guess whether you want opportunity or you want security.

Define where does the boss's authority ends and the individual worker's rights begin?

It's easy to say workers are not slaves, but when you have business owners who fire people because they smoke at home, then where does it all end?

Simple. It would end if the business owner didn't have the right to make or break a mutual at-will agreement of employment with the worker, same as if the employee did not have the same right.

Do you not know what slavery is? Obviously not. Or maybe you just wish that you were a slave, because that's what you sound like.

Come again? I wish I was a slave? Why, because I think I can smoke when I'm on my own time if I so choose? Save your double talk for your blog.

You completely try to gloss over that fact that people have to work, if not for employer "x", then employer "y". Being an employee doesn't make you subserveant to the employer. The way I look at it, your emplyer "rents" you and you agree to it since you heed to make a living. This nonsense about telling people that they can't partake in legal activities is all a big crock of crap.

If the employee's have to pee in the bottle, then so should the employer, and I want to watch him because I don't trust him any farther then he trusts me. We're all in the same boat, right!!

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Dear palehorse, we need to go back and discover how you became such an insufferable ass.

I'm an "ass" for attempting to encourage people to TRY harder, or TRY again?!

so be it.

There comes a point where you can't try any harder and another point where you just don't have the ability to do what needs to be done to start over.

Take my farm, I love farming, but I had to rent it out because I just couldn't physically do it anymore. I guess I could leverage the farm and go out and rent more land, hire all the work done, etc., and just manage it, but all it would take is 1 bad year and I'd have to sell everything I worked all my life for. I worked too hard for it to piss it all down my leg like that.

It isn't that black and white as to just "TRY harder, or TRY again".

The sympathetic portion of my soul (yes, i DO have one) wants to reach out and support you in your suffering; however, the mature and ambitious side of my soul sees your responses as nothing more than a series of excuses...

1) Please read everything you can about Lance Armstrong. You'd be surprised what his story can motivate within your own soul.
2) Nobody gets rich, on their own, without taking some big risks.
3) The most important decisions are made when you are young. In the end, you reap what you sow. (as a farmer, I'm sure you understand that very well). But, that doesn't mean that you cannot tear up the earth and try again!
4) "if at first you don't succeed, try and try again." I think I learned that when I was four years old... The Little Engine That Could comes to mind...
5) I know it's easier to make excuses than it is to make progress or make money, but that, in itself, is no excuse.
6) Are you too old for higher education? Well, that's only possible if you're in a coma. There are thousands of ways to receive a free higher education... find one and go for it!

The Army did wonders for my attitude and ambition... the drive to succeed, and a refusal to quit, is something that they carved deep within my very being. I only wish that our public education system would do the same for every young person who chooses to avoid military service.

1EZduzit - seriously consider returning to school to gain knowledge in an area that will not be hampered by whatever physical problems you may have. (see also: Stephen Hawking).

good luck!

Palehorse, you are an evangelical zealot who preaches to fatten his ego and reinforce his self induced hypnotic state. You are a Knower of Sacred Truths. Imagine where you will be if you lose your faith. It's a shame to build your castle on sand. What happens when Hawkings loses his brains. Won't he be just as beloved by God as before. That should be good for a coffee.

You mistake the power of a positive attitude with knowledge on how to have one or give one to others. You are psychologically naive, in my opinion. Some people go into the army and come out a mess.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Vic
A hired worker is not a slave. He is a free person in business for himself. I have found that those people who understand this simple concept tend to be more financially successful than those who do not. You have to decide I guess whether you want opportunity or you want security.

Define where does the boss's authority ends and the individual worker's rights begin?

It's easy to say workers are not slaves, but when you have business owners who fire people because they smoke at home, then where does it all end?

Simple. It would end if the business owner didn't have the right to make or break a mutual at-will agreement of employment with the worker, same as if the employee did not have the same right.

Do you not know what slavery is? Obviously not. Or maybe you just wish that you were a slave, because that's what you sound like.

At-will employment laws are a complete sham, because they do not create an equal footing, rather they place power direcly in the hands of the employer. The cost of replacing an average employee is nothing compared to the cost of having to find a new job. But, by the time you're important enough to swing this equation around, you will be under some sort of contract preventing you from doing so, signed under the duress of 'otherwise, no promotion'.

Employees and renters deserve protection from 'at-will' BS, just like service providers are justified in having contracts and notice-requirements from their customers (eg cell-phone companies).

Kindly don't pontificate. He asked what the difference is between a hired worker and a slave -- I answered. The difference is clearly at-will employment, as slavery is defined as bondage. Now, if you want at-will to include reasonable notice clauses, that's fine. One would think that mandatory unemployment insurance would be reasonable enough. However, none of that has anything to do with the actual point being discussed.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: Vic
Kindly don't pontificate. He asked what the difference is between a hired worker and a slave -- I answered. The difference is clearly at-will employment, as slavery is defined as bondage. Now, if you want at-will to include reasonable notice clauses, that's fine. One would think that mandatory unemployment insurance would be reasonable enough. However, none of that has anything to do with the actual point being discussed.

You're right - that was a little over the top.

Workers in the west are not slaves, they just aren't 'equal' to their legal betters, who employ them.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: johnnobts
Being wealthy is not a crime, and it should not be criminalized.

Why not? If the concentration of wealth in the hands of the few create a situation that leads to revolution and destruction on a vast scale, it is the right of the people to put value in the notion of criminalizing wealth.

Do you really believe that?

Fern

Would you let a mad may run around stabbing people? If, get it, 'If' the concentration of wealth leads to revolution then you have to prevent the concentration of wealth, no? If stabbing people is a crime isn't causing a revolution also one?

You are not thinking when you ask me if I believe that. It's an ineluctably conclusion based on the premise.

What you don't believe is that a concentration of wealth will lead to revolution or even that that is the trajectory we are on. The data seems to disagree with you. On course, instead of revolution we may wind up with eternal human slavery, misery, and oppression.

Sounds like you're:

1. for "mob rule".

2. thinking " the peoples greed/jelousy = moral right"

3. in support of "the end justifies the means"

<Shrugs>

Fern

Don't tell me what I sound like. I sound like what you can hear. What you hear is yourself projected onto me.

Why? It's often helpful.

I can only read what you write.

If there's any indication your audience mis-understands, there's an indication you haven't written (articulated) you thoughts very well.

Hehe, I guess that's why Jesus taught in parables. You would be surprised how sophisticated the excuses can get when people don't want to hear.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Vic
A hired worker is not a slave. He is a free person in business for himself. I have found that those people who understand this simple concept tend to be more financially successful than those who do not. You have to decide I guess whether you want opportunity or you want security.

Define where does the boss's authority ends and the individual worker's rights begin?

It's easy to say workers are not slaves, but when you have business owners who fire people because they smoke at home, then where does it all end?

Simple. It would end if the business owner didn't have the right to make or break a mutual at-will agreement of employment with the worker, same as if the employee did not have the same right.

Do you not know what slavery is? Obviously not. Or maybe you just wish that you were a slave, because that's what you sound like.

Come again? I wish I was a slave? Why, because I think I can smoke when I'm on my own time if I so choose? Save your double talk for your blog.

You completely try to gloss over that fact that people have to work, if not for employer "x", then employer "y". Being an employee doesn't make you subserveant to the employer. The way I look at it, your emplyer "rents" you and you agree to it since you heed to make a living. This nonsense about telling people that they can't partake in legal activities is all a big crock of crap.

If the employee's have to pee in the bottle, then so should the employer, and I want to watch him because I don't trust him any farther then he trusts me. We're all in the same boat, right!!

You are as free to choose your employer as your employer is free to choose you. I disagree STRONGLY with employers who use such tactics as you mention, and so I don't work for them. Neither should you. Problem solved. Wow... amazing!

It is unreal to me how little thought the rabidly emotional on ATPN give to their strongly-held opinions and positions. You asked the difference between a hired worker and a slave, and then use an unrelated example to prove that workers are slaves. Let me ask you a question: if a newspaper fired a reporter because the reporter wrote an offensive article, do you think that would be a violation of the freedom of the press clause in the 1st amendment? Of course not. Quite the opposite, it would be a violation of freedom of the press if the newspaper was NOT allowed to determine the content it publishes by hiring and firing whom it chooses to write for it. Likewise, that is your example. Get it?

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Palehorse, you are an evangelical zealot who preaches to fatten his ego and reinforce his self induced hypnotic state. You are a Knower of Sacred Truths. Imagine where you will be if you lose your faith.

I've had my share of obstacles along the way, and I do not think much could shake my resolve to continue striving for success. Since my faith is with myself, and not in some 3rd-party intangible, I believe I'll be fine as long as I continue breathing... thanks for all of your obviously genuine concern though.. it's heartwarming, really...

It's a shame to build your castle on sand. What happens when Hawkings loses his brains. Won't he be just as beloved by God as before. That should be good for a coffee.

I do not live my life believing that the love of any "God" is my ultimate reward. Beyond that, I'm not quite sure wtf you were trying to say there... Please dumb your preaching down a bit for those of us who have not been "enlightened" by your Gods...

You mistake the power of a positive attitude with knowledge on how to have one or give one to others. You are psychologically naive, in my opinion. Some people go into the army and come out a mess.

Some people come into life, and come out a mess... such IS life.

Do you fear me because of my positive attitude? Does it intimidate you in some way? Does my success make you feel inferior in some way? I believe the answer to all three is "yes"... and that's just sad.

Btw, seeing you, of all people here at ATPN, call someone an "evangelical zealot," is fvcking priceless!

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: johnnobts
Being wealthy is not a crime, and it should not be criminalized.

Why not? If the concentration of wealth in the hands of the few create a situation that leads to revolution and destruction on a vast scale, it is the right of the people to put value in the notion of criminalizing wealth.

Do you really believe that?

Fern

Would you let a mad may run around stabbing people? If, get it, 'If' the concentration of wealth leads to revolution then you have to prevent the concentration of wealth, no? If stabbing people is a crime isn't causing a revolution also one?

You are not thinking when you ask me if I believe that. It's an ineluctably conclusion based on the premise.

What you don't believe is that a concentration of wealth will lead to revolution or even that that is the trajectory we are on. The data seems to disagree with you. On course, instead of revolution we may wind up with eternal human slavery, misery, and oppression.

Sounds like you're:

1. for "mob rule".

2. thinking " the peoples greed/jelousy = moral right"

3. in support of "the end justifies the means"

<Shrugs>

Fern

Don't tell me what I sound like. I sound like what you can hear. What you hear is yourself projected onto me.

Why? It's often helpful.

I can only read what you write.

If there's any indication your audience mis-understands, there's an indication you haven't written (articulated) you thoughts very well.

Hehe, I guess that's why Jesus taught in parables. You would be surprised how sophisticated the excuses can get when people don't want to hear.

Keep that in mind as you listen to yourself

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: johnnobts
Being wealthy is not a crime, and it should not be criminalized.

Why not? If the concentration of wealth in the hands of the few create a situation that leads to revolution and destruction on a vast scale, it is the right of the people to put value in the notion of criminalizing wealth.

Do you really believe that?

Fern

Would you let a mad may run around stabbing people? If, get it, 'If' the concentration of wealth leads to revolution then you have to prevent the concentration of wealth, no? If stabbing people is a crime isn't causing a revolution also one?

You are not thinking when you ask me if I believe that. It's an ineluctably conclusion based on the premise.

What you don't believe is that a concentration of wealth will lead to revolution or even that that is the trajectory we are on. The data seems to disagree with you. On course, instead of revolution we may wind up with eternal human slavery, misery, and oppression.

Sounds like you're:

1. for "mob rule".

2. thinking " the peoples greed/jelousy = moral right"

3. in support of "the end justifies the means"

<Shrugs>

Fern

Don't tell me what I sound like. I sound like what you can hear. What you hear is yourself projected onto me.

Why? It's often helpful.

I can only read what you write.

If there's any indication your audience mis-understands, there's an indication you haven't written (articulated) you thoughts very well.

Hehe, I guess that's why Jesus taught in parables. You would be surprised how sophisticated the excuses can get when people don't want to hear.

Keep that in mind as you listen to yourself

Everything I know about you I learned by looking at myself.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Vic
A hired worker is not a slave. He is a free person in business for himself. I have found that those people who understand this simple concept tend to be more financially successful than those who do not. You have to decide I guess whether you want opportunity or you want security.

We are all slaves to a system of private property where it takes money to live. You have to work to live. You have to waste your life earning money.

Why do we not have a system where every child is given a live where he can do whatever is natural for his interests and abilities? Everybody is equal who does what he loves to do.

That's not any system, Moonie, that's nature. Even monkeys starve if they don't gather enough fruits and nuts for themselves to eat. I'm sure that they too would rather spend their lives swinging through the trees rather than wasting it gathering to eat.
In the meantime, we do have that system where a child can do whatever is natural to his interests and abilities. He simply needs to be given the opportunity to do so without nihilists lying to him that he is slave for the same reason that roosters crack eggs.

A machine intelligence is coming, Vic. What rules will it make.

Have you ever seen a monkey that needed an advanced degree to pick a nut. Have you ever seen a monkey write on a nut, this is private property and belongs to monkey A but not B? Have you ever seen millions of monkeys dying while some monkeys have millions of nuts? Competition is hate. Try to understand that. Competition is hate. It is not the god of efficiency it is pure unadulterated hate. This world we have created is built on survival of the sickest.

What...in...the....h3ll did you smoke? I love the line I bolded...

1984 much?

/scratches head

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Palehorse, you are an evangelical zealot who preaches to fatten his ego and reinforce his self induced hypnotic state. You are a Knower of Sacred Truths. Imagine where you will be if you lose your faith.

I've had my share of obstacles along the way, and I do not think much could shake my resolve to continue striving for success. Since my faith is with myself, and not in some 3rd-party intangible, I believe I'll be fine as long as I continue breathing... thanks for all of your obviously genuine concern though.. it's heartwarming, really...

It's a shame to build your castle on sand. What happens when Hawkings loses his brains. Won't he be just as beloved by God as before. That should be good for a coffee.

I do not live my life believing that the love of any "God" is my ultimate reward. Beyond that, I'm not quite sure wtf you were trying to say there... Please dumb your preaching down a bit for those of us who have not been "enlightened" by your Gods...

You mistake the power of a positive attitude with knowledge on how to have one or give one to others. You are psychologically naive, in my opinion. Some people go into the army and come out a mess.

Some people come into life, and come out a mess... such IS life.

Do you fear me because of my positive attitude? Does it intimidate you in some way? Does my success make you feel inferior in some way? I believe the answer to all three is "yes"... and that's just sad.

Btw, seeing you, of all people here at ATPN, call someone an "evangelical zealot," is fvcking priceless!

Sadly, I am going to go have fun now and will have to answer this later. Just wanted to say, first though, that I love your positive attitude. Attitude isn't everything, but it's alot. Gotta go!

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Palehorse, you are an evangelical zealot who preaches to fatten his ego and reinforce his self induced hypnotic state. You are a Knower of Sacred Truths. Imagine where you will be if you lose your faith.

I've had my share of obstacles along the way, and I do not think much could shake my resolve to continue striving for success. Since my faith is with myself, and not in some 3rd-party intangible, I believe I'll be fine as long as I continue breathing... thanks for all of your obviously genuine concern though.. it's heartwarming, really...

It's a shame to build your castle on sand. What happens when Hawkings loses his brains. Won't he be just as beloved by God as before. That should be good for a coffee.

I do not live my life believing that the love of any "God" is my ultimate reward. Beyond that, I'm not quite sure wtf you were trying to say there... Please dumb your preaching down a bit for those of us who have not been "enlightened" by your Gods...

You mistake the power of a positive attitude with knowledge on how to have one or give one to others. You are psychologically naive, in my opinion. Some people go into the army and come out a mess.

Some people come into life, and come out a mess... such IS life.

Do you fear me because of my positive attitude? Does it intimidate you in some way? Does my success make you feel inferior in some way? I believe the answer to all three is "yes"... and that's just sad.

Btw, seeing you, of all people here at ATPN, call someone an "evangelical zealot," is fvcking priceless!

Sadly, I am going to go have fun now and will have to answer this later. Just wanted to say, first though, that I love your positive attitude. Attitude isn't everything, but it's alot. Gotta go!

I actually laughed out loud hahahahaha

Typical response when you try to pin down someone who makes emotional statements...

Man I love the internet!